President Bush Makes Bold Move In Georgia
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D. Spencer Hines - 13 Aug 2008 22:50 GMT Stalwart!
With Grit & Determination.
President Bush certainly hasn't forgotten the Berlin Airlift...
Another important thing he has in common in a historical link with President Harry S. Truman...
Harry Truman, a Real Democrat -- not one of these current pale, insipid imitations, such as Pogue Gans.
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J A - 13 Aug 2008 23:34 GMT You do know that these people aren't a bunch of ragheads, don't you?
And I doubt they're anything like the disorganized mass that got chopped up in the first Chechan war.
What US ground units do you think we should commit into Georgia?
Do you think we have enough armor in good shape to get in there and deal with the Russians, who have their whole country as a neighboring safe enclave, unless we want to attack into Russia itself...
I know you must have thought all this out, so why don't enlighten the rest of us?
> Stalwart! > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Harry Truman, a Real Democrat -- not one of these current pale, insipid > imitations, such as Pogue Gans. John Gilmer - 28 Aug 2008 11:22 GMT > You do know that these people aren't a bunch of ragheads, don't you? > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > with the Russians, who have their whole country as a neighboring safe > enclave, unless we want to attack into Russia itself... The "defense" of Berlin is somewhat of a parallel to Georgia.
During most of the Cold War it was understood that the US Troops in West Berlin was a "tripwire" and they weren't expected to hold back the Russians much longer than the time needed to destroy "sensitive" material. (Berlin was, among other things, a major listening post for the West.)
But toward the end of the Cold War started to realize that the troops on hand could hold off the Russians long enough to evacuate (by air) dependents and key people. (IOW: the defense would stand for days rather than hours.)
Since then, the defense capability is grown stronger than offence. There are several man portable systems that can break up a tank attack. Even without the USAF, there are ground systems in the US inventory than can deny the enemy the advantages of close air support. The USAF could control the air over Berlin for weeks if necessary or useful.
Translate that to present day Georgia.
The most important troops to be put in Georgia would be several Patriot AA units along with anti-tank equiped infantry to protect the missiles. Throw in a modest amount of USAF support and you have something that would take weeks for the Russians to take over at the cost of hundeds of tanks and first line aircraft.
The above could take place without any support from Georgia beyond the security necessary to get the US military on the ground. With more anti-tank weapons and an occasional "smart bomb" from the USAF the Russians might be fought to a standstill.
IF (that's a big if) "W" puts Patriot Missians in Georgia the game will quickly change.
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D. Spencer Hines - 14 Aug 2008 01:18 GMT It appears that the United States Navy is also going to have an important role in this Humanitarian Relief to Georgians...
And that may well mean an American Naval Presence in the Black Sea.
Stay Tuned...
Bush is certainly not acting like a lame duck...
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D. Spencer Hines - 14 Aug 2008 16:27 GMT EXCELLENT!
He's NOT waiting for the UN to respond -- that would be FAR too late -- and Russia has the VETO.
So, the UN is a eunuch in this case.
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It appears that the United States Navy is also going to have an important role in this Humanitarian Relief to Georgians...
And that may well mean an American Naval Presence in the Black Sea.
Stay Tuned...
Bush is certainly not acting like a lame duck... -- DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas Vires et Honor
From The Times August 14, 2008
George Bush squares up to Vladimir Putin over Georgia
Tom Baldwin in Washington
President Bush dispatched US military hardware to the heart of the Caucasus yesterday and warned Russia that it could be frozen out of international bodies as punishment for its aggression in Georgia.
In his toughest criticism of Russia since becoming President, Mr Bush accused it of breaching the provisional ceasefire agreed with Georgia only 24 hours earlier.
He cited intelligence showing that Russian troops had again taken the town of Gori and could threaten the capital, Tbilisi. He insisted that Moscow respect the former Soviet republic’s territorial integrity. There were also reports of Russian-backed militia in South Ossetia looting ethnic Georgian villages and killing inhabitants.
“To begin to repair the damage to its relations with the United States, Europe and other nations, and to begin restoring its place in the world, Russia must keep its word and act to end this crisis,” Mr Bush said.
EXCELLENT! He's NOT waiting for the UN to respond -- that would be FAR too late -- and Russia has the VETO. So, the UN is a eunuch in this case. -- DSH
The US is in talks with allies about whether to suspend Russia’s membership of the G8 club of industrialised nations. There is a growing clamour to block Russia’s membership of the World Trade Organisation and to rescind an invitation for it to join the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development.
Sounds quite a Good Course to follow. -- DSH
Mr Bush’s statement, delivered in stern tones outside the White House, was stronger than his cautious comments last week, which reflected the State Department’s unhappiness with Georgia’s use of force against pro-Russian separatist rebels in South Ossetia.
Although direct military intervention is not being considered, Pentagon sources have hinted that a limited number of troops could be deployed to support what Mr Bush described as a vigorous and continuing humanitarian mission headed by the US military.
INDEED... A VIGOROUS & CONTINUING Humanitarian Mission -- headed by the American Armed Forces. Sort of like the BERLIN AIRLIFT -- and in that one the RUSSIANS BACKED DOWN. -- DSH
The first US air force transport aircraft arrived last night, and the navy was heading to the Black Sea – which is controlled by Russian warships – to deliver humanitarian and medical supplies direct to Georgian ports. “We expect Russia to honour its commitment to let in all forms of humanitarian assistance,” Mr Bush said.
The NAVY will DELIVER humanitarian and medical supplies DIRECT to Georgian PORTS. Excellent! And the Russian Navy had better NOT intervene, block or hinder those DIRECT DELIVERIES in ANY WAY. -- DSH
President Saakashvili of Georgia seized on the announcement to say that Tbilisi airport and Poti port would be placed under US military control, a claim the Pentagon swiftly denied.
The GEORGIANS should CONTROL the airport and the port -- without ANY interference by the RUSSIANS. -- DSH
Condoleezza Rice, the US Secretary of State, flew to France last night to meet President Sarkozy before heading to Tbilisi. Sergei Lavrov, her Russian counterpart, said that the US must choose between supporting the Georgian leadership and maintaining a partnership with Russia on international issues. Dr Rice said: “This is not 1968 and the invasion of Czechoslovakia, where Russia can threaten its neighbours, occupy a capital, overthrow a government and get away with it. Things have changed.”
Damned straight they have changed. This is not Hungary in 1956 either. -- DSH
The Georgian President had accused the US of squandering its support among former Soviet republics. Diplomats say that they have little leverage against a Kremlin in which the strings are still being pulled by Vladimir Putin, the former President. The most likely sanctions are those that would damage Russia’s prestige.
Mr Bush said: “Russia has sought to integrate into the diplomatic, political, economic and security structures of the 21st century. Now Russia is putting its aspirations at risk by taking actions in Georgia that are inconsistent with the principles of those institutions.”
BINGO! -- DSH
David Miliband, the Foreign Secretary, said that the EU should reassess plans for a partnership agreement with Russia. For the time being, measures being taken have been limited to a US boycott of a Nato meeting with a Russian delegation and the likely cancellation of a joint naval exercise. -- DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas Vires et Honor Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum
D. Spencer Hines - 14 Aug 2008 17:27 GMT The Plot Thickens...
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US official: Russia damaging Georgian airfields
By ANNE GEARAN and MATTHEW LEE, Associated Press Writers
WASHINGTON - Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Thursday he sees no need to invoke U.S. military force in the war between Russia and Georgia and that U.S.-Russian relations could suffer for "years to come" if Moscow doesn't retreat.
Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice issued another urgent call on Russia to honor a previously announced cease-fire with Georgia as she was bringing the formal agreement to Tbilisi to have it signed Friday by the president of Georgia, a democratic former Soviet republic that is now strongly aligned with Washington.
French President Nicholas Sarkozy said the documents are "intended to consolidate the cease-fire."
At the Pentagon, Gates described a broad humanitarian effort for Georgians displaced or harmed by the fighting. The relief effort is being run by the U.S. military, but Gates said there isn't any need for U.S. fighting forces in Georgia.
Our forces had BETTER be appropriately ARMED. -- DSH
He said the Bush administration last year started talks with Russia that officials hoped would develop a long-term strategic partnership. The idea was to give a backbone to the U.S. relationship with Russia across military, diplomatic and economic spheres. But Russia's invasion of Georgia and the weeklong fighting that followed has called that into question, Gates said.
Damned straight it has. -- DSH
Also Thursday, the administration said it will ignore "bluster" from Russia about the future of separatist regions at the heart of the conflict.
"The United States of America stands strongly, as the president of France just said, for the territorial integrity of Georgia," Rice said following a meeting with French President Nicolas Sarkozy. The French president is leading Western efforts to coax Russia to fully withdraw its forces from Georgia.
Russia and Georgia have agreed to a truce but Russian tanks and troops remain. Rice was heading to the Georgian capital of Tbilisi with the document and had no plans to visit Moscow.
Russia's foreign minister declared earlier Thursday that the world "can forget about" Georgia's territorial integrity, strongly suggesting that Russia could absorb the regions where it has supported separatist movements in a goad to Georgia since the election there of a strongly pro-American president.
The Russian SUDETENLAND. As with Czechoslovakia and Nazi Germany, 1938. OMINOUS PRECEDENT. -- DSH
"I would consider that to be bluster from the foreign minister of Russia," White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said. "We will ignore it."
BLUSTER INDEED. IGNORED WITH CONTEMPT. -- DSH
Russia's president met in the Kremlin with the leaders of the separatist provinces, another signal that Moscow could absorb the regions.
At the State Department, spokesman Robert Wood expressed concern over reports that Russia is deliberately sabotaging Georgian military infrastructure.
"We are very concerned about these reports; it is a serious situation," Wood said.
The facilities were not identified by American officials, who said the U.S. Embassy in Tbilisi was investigating.
On relief efforts, Wood said more than $2 million in U.S. humanitarian assistance had been delivered to Georgia and that three convoys had transported 202 Americans from Georgia to Armenia, the third one carrying 32 Americans.
Explosions were heard near Gori on Thursday as a Russian troop withdrawal from the strategic city seemed to collapse and a fragile cease-fire appeared even more shaky.
Meanwhile, the United States poured aid into the Georgian capital of Tbilisi in a Pentagon mission directly challenging Russia's military moves to retake territory in the former Soviet republic.
Two aid flights were carrying cots, blankets and medicine for refugees displaced by the weeklong fighting. The shipment arrived on a C-17 military plane, an illustration of the close U.S.-Georgia military cooperation that has angered Russia.
The Bush administration is reeling from the near collapse of its closest friend among the former Soviet republics, a strategic Black Sea nation that is an emerging pathway for undeveloped energy reserves and that has worn its zeal for America and the West as a badge of honor.
As the United States mustered humanitarian aid for Georgia, President Bush demanded that Russia end all military activity inside its neighbor and withdraw all troops sent in recent days onto Georgian territory.
EXCELLENT! -- DSH
All this appeared designed to answer criticism that Bush has not done enough to stand by his 2005 pledge, made from the center of Tbilisi before tens of thousands of citizens, to "stand with" the people of Georgia.
The president postponed Thursday's planned start of a two-week Texas vacation for a couple of days to monitor developments. ___
Associated Press writers Jennifer Loven, Lolita C. Baldor, Barry Schweid and Pauline Jelinek contributed to this report; AP Writer Matthew Lee reported from Toulon, France.
D. Spencer Hines - 14 Aug 2008 17:42 GMT Bush is HANGING TOUGH...
Just like Harry TRUMAN in 1947-48.
Good Show.
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Bush won't compromise on Georgia sovereignty
Aug 14 10:32 AM US/Eastern AFP
US President George W. Bush assured leaders of Ukraine and Lithuania on Thursday that he remains fully committed to "a sovereign, free Georgia and its territorial integrity," the White House said.
In his conversations with Lithuanian President Valdas Adamkus and Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko, Bush stressed US "solidarity" with Georgia in its conflict with Russia, according to spokeswoman Dana Perino.
"All the leaders stressed the importance of standing by a sovereign, free Georgia and its territorial integrity, and agreed on the need for Russia to stop the violence, abide by the ceasefire and withdraw its forces," she said.
Perino had a brutally dismissive response to reports that Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said the world can "forget about" Georgian sovereignty, describing it as meaningless "bluster" with no effect on US policy.
"Our position on Georgia's territorial integrity is not going to change, no matter what anybody says, and so I would consider that bluster coming from the foreign minister of Russia, and we will ignore it," she said.
Perino also said it was too soon to be sure that Russia was abiding by its ceasefire agreement, but told reporters: "We do hope it's trending in the right direction."
She also warned Russia, whose forces have blockaded the town of Gori, that "we expect that our humanitarian aid would be allowed to get in by air, land or sea," but added that she did not know of any instances where it had been barred.
D. Spencer Hines - 14 Aug 2008 18:09 GMT Krauthammer Weighs In...
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How to Stop Putin
By Charles Krauthammer Thursday, August 14, 2008
The Russia-Georgia cease-fire brokered by France's president is less than meets the eye. Its terms keep moving as the Russian army keeps moving.
Yes. Medvedev talks and Putin keeps the Red Army moving. -- DSH
Russia has since occupied Gori (appropriately, Stalin's birthplace), effectively cutting Georgia in two.
The road to the capital, Tbilisi, is open, but apparently Prime Minister Vladimir Putin has temporarily chosen to seek his objectives through military pressure and Western acquiescence rather than by naked occupation.
That remains to be seen. -- DSH
His objectives are clear. They go beyond detaching South Ossetia and Abkhazia from Georgia and absorbing them into Russia. They go beyond destroying the Georgian army, leaving the country at Russia's mercy.
The real objective is the Finlandization of Georgia through the removal of President Mikheil Saakashvili and his replacement by a Russian puppet.
Correct. -- DSH
Which explains Putin stopping the Russian army (for now) short of Tbilisi.
What everyone overlooks in the cease-fire terms is that all future steps -- troop withdrawals, territorial arrangements, peacekeeping forces -- will have to be negotiated between Russia and Georgia.
But Russia says it will not talk to Saakashvili.
Thus regime change becomes the first requirement for any movement on any front. This will be Putin's refrain in the coming days. He is counting on Europe to pressure Saakashvili to resign and/or flee to "give peace a chance."
The Finlandization of Georgia would give Russia control of the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline, which is the only significant westbound route for Caspian Sea oil and gas that does not go through Russia.
And the United States must PREVENT that from happening. -- DS
Pipelines are the economic lifelines of such former Soviet republics as Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan that live off energy exports. Moscow would become master of the Caspian basin.
Subduing Georgia has an additional effect. It warns Russia's former Baltic and East European satellites what happens if you get too close to the West.
It is the first step to reestablishing Russian hegemony in the region.
Which has always been the goal of Vladimir Putin, former KGB officer. -- DSH
What is to be done? Let's be real. There's nothing to be done militarily. What we can do is alter Putin's cost-benefit calculations.
We are not without resources. There are a range of measures to be deployed if Russia does not live up to its cease-fire commitments:
1. Suspend the NATO-Russia Council established in 2002 to help bring Russia closer to the West. Make clear that dissolution will follow suspension. The council gives Russia a seat at the NATO table. Message: Invading neighboring democracies forfeits the seat.
2. Bar Russian entry to the World Trade Organization.
3. Dissolve the G-8. Putin's dictatorship long made Russia's presence in this group of industrial democracies a farce, but no one wanted to upset the bear by expelling it. No need to. The seven democracies simply withdraw.
(And if Italy's Silvio Berlusconi, who has been sympathetic to Putin's Georgia adventure, wants to stay, he can have an annual G-2 dinner with Putin.)
Then immediately announce the reconstitution of the original G-7.
4. Announce a U.S.-European boycott of the 2014 Winter Olympics at Sochi. To do otherwise would be obscene. Sochi is 15 miles from Abkhazia, the other Georgian province just invaded by Russia. The Games will become a riveting contest between the Russian, Belarusan and Jamaican bobsled teams.
All of these steps (except dissolution of the G-8, which should be irreversible) would be subject to reconsideration depending upon Russian action -- most importantly and minimally, its withdrawal of troops from Georgia proper to South Ossetia and Abkhazia.
The most crucial and unconditional measure, however, is this: Reaffirm support for the Saakashvili government and declare that its removal by the Russians would lead to recognition of a government-in-exile. This would instantly be understood as providing us the legal basis for supplying and supporting a Georgian resistance to any Russian-installed regime.
Charlie Wilson's War. -- DSH
President Bush could cash in on his close personal relationship with Putin by sending him a copy of the highly entertaining (and highly fictionalized) film "Charlie Wilson's War" to remind Vlad of our capacity to make Russia bleed. Putin would need no reminders of the Georgians' capacity and long history of doing likewise to invaders.
Bush needs to make up for his mini-Katrina moment when he lingered in Beijing yukking it up with our beach volleyball team while Putin flew to North Ossetia to direct the invasion of a neighboring country. Bush is dispatching Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to France and Georgia. Not a moment too soon. Her task must be to present these sanctions, get European agreement on as many as possible and begin imposing them, calibrated to Russian behavior. And most important of all, to prevent any Euro-wobbliness on the survival of Georgia's democratically elected government.
We have cards. We should play them. Much is at stake.
D. Spencer Hines - 14 Aug 2008 18:32 GMT We need a BIGGER Army and Marine Corps.
Congress should come back from vacation, get off their arses and pass legislation to MAKE IT SO....
Trained Troops won't appear overnight.
Congress ALSO needs to pass an ENERGY BILL.
Adelante, burros!
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D. Spencer Hines - 14 Aug 2008 18:43 GMT Nonsense...
The United States Navy can be a credible Force In Being in the Black Sea.
Also, the screed below is:
A Good Argument for...
AIRCRAFT CARRIERS.
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> Naval assets on the Black Sea would be ducks in a barrel. > turkey isn't about to allow us to use it as a base to fight russia over > georgia. D. Spencer Hines - 14 Aug 2008 19:15 GMT Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, the former KGB officer, wants the BIG PRIZE.
UKRAINE...
After all, he tried to poison President Viktor Andriyovych Yushchenko with DIOXIN.
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Keep All This In Mind:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Putin>
"His mother, Maria Ivanovna, was a factory worker and his father, Vladimir Spiridonovich Putin, was conscripted into the Soviet Navy, where he served in the submarine fleet in the early 1930s."
"His father subsequently served with the NKVD in a sabotage group during the Second World War. Two elder brothers were born in the mid-1930s; one died within a few months of birth; the second succumbed to diphtheria during the siege of Leningrad. His paternal grandfather, Spiridon Putin, had been Vladimir Lenin's and Joseph Stalin's personal cook."
D. Spencer Hines - 14 Aug 2008 19:32 GMT American aircraft carriers don't necessarily HAVE to be in the Black Sea to support humanitarian and medical operations in Georgia.
THINK!
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Surreyman - 15 Aug 2008 12:07 GMT > Stalwart! > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Vires et Honor > Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum Seems to me that Bush is following the 'appeasment' policy? You now agree then?
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God's Creator! - 16 Aug 2008 17:15 GMT > Stalwart! > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Harry Truman, a Real Democrat -- not one of these current pale, insipid > imitations, such as Pogue Gans. Thus Spake: *G* *O* *D* *S* *C* *R* *E* *A* *T* *O* *R*
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D. Spencer Hines - 16 Aug 2008 18:47 GMT The Plot Thickens...
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Bush warns Russia over disputed Georgian provinces
Aug 16, 2008
By DEB RIECHMANN
CRAWFORD, Texas (AP) - President Bush is sending a stern warning to Russia that it cannot lay claim to two disputed regions in Georgia.
Bush says there is no room for debate on this point. He says the breakaway provinces of South Ossetia and Abkhazia are part of Georgia and lie within internationally recognized borders. Russia's foreign minister has said that Georgia could forget about getting back those provinces.
Russia's president met in the Kremlin this past week with the leaders of those regions. That was seen as a sign that Moscow could absorb the areas.
Bush also says Russia must abide by a cease-fire that Georgia and Russia now have signed. It calls for both forces to pull back to positions they held before fighting broke out Aug. 8.
D. Spencer Hines - 16 Aug 2008 20:00 GMT Bush...
Standing Fast.
"This will not stand"...
Good Show.
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Rice tells Russia to quit immediately
By Charles Clover in Tbilisi The Financial Times [British]
Published: August 15 2008
Tensions between Washington and Moscow took a new turn on Friday as Condoleezza Rice, US secretary of state, called on Russian troops to withdraw from occupied areas in Georgia “immediately”. She made the call after Mikheil Saakashvili, Georgian president, signed a new ceasefire agreement with Russia.
Her call came as Nicolas Sarkozy, French president, spoke to Dmitry Medvedev, his Russian counterpart, who agreed to sign the accord and said that Moscow would “scrupulously” respect the elements of the agreement, “notably those concerning the withdrawal of Russian forces”. However, the French statement gave no indication of when Mr Medvedev might sign the agreement.
Ms Rice’s visit to Tbilisi capped a week that saw the brief Russia-Georgia conflict turn from a hot but localised war into a diplomatic confrontation between Moscow and Washington with cold war overtones.
“Our most urgent task today is the immediate and orderly withdrawal of Russian armed forces and the return of those forces to Russia,” Ms Rice said. “Russian forces need to leave Georgia at once.”
Stepping up the pressure on Moscow, the US and Poland clinched a deal on Friday to base part of Washington’s planned anti-missile shield on Polish territory.
EXCELLENT! -- DSH
Russia responded angrily to the move. Anatoly Nogovitsin, the deputy head of the Russian armed forces, warned Poland that by hosting the shield it could become the target of a nuclear attack in wartime. “The US is concerned with its own anti-missile defence, not Poland’s. But Poland, by deploying [the shield], will be exposed to attack.”
Russian troops, meanwhile, remained in the central town of Gori and other areas in Georgia such as the port of Poti, outside the separatist enclaves of South Ossetia and Abkhazia. It was unclear on Friday night whether they planned to withdraw outside the “zone of conflict” as Ms Rice warned them to.
A Reuters journalist reported seeing a Russian military convoy advance to the town of Igoeti, within 55km of Tbilisi, on Friday at almost the same time as the meeting between Ms Rice and Mr Saakashvili. It was the closest to Tbilisi Russian forces have come since the conflict erupted last week.
George W. Bush, US president, accused Russia on Friday of “bullying and intimidation” and said contention with the US was not in Russia’s interests, He warned Russia it faced isolation from the world community.
At the same time as Ms Rice conferred with Mr Saakashvili in Tbilisi, Angela Merkel, German chancellor, was holding talks with Mr Medvedev in the Russian town of Sochi.
She criticised Russia in more muted tones than the US has done. “Some of Russia’s actions were not proportionate,” said Mrs Merkel. “Russian troops should withdraw from central areas in Georgia.”
Mr Medvedev said the west should not contemplate sending peacekeepers to South Ossetia and Abkhazia, pointing to the earlier refusal of Kosovo separatists to accept UN-led peacekeepers. The people of the regions, he said, “do not trust anyone but the Russian troops.... We are the only guarantors of stability in the region”.
The tone and content of US and European statements on the Russia-Georgia conflict have been subtly diverging all week, with European nations such as France and Germany less inclined to isolate or punish Russia for its actions, while the US has been the most openly confrontational.
The US has floated the possibility of expelling Russia from the G8. The French foreign ministry said on Friday that it did not believe threats to exclude Russia from the G8 or other international organisations such as the United Nations would be constructive. “Our interests lie in maintaining dialogue with the Russians,” an official said.
German officials took a similar line although Eckart von Klaeden, a foreign policy expert in parliament and Merkel confidant, said Germany’s relationship with Russia “will hinge on its behaviour in the coming days”.
Russia’s ministry of defence has denied accusations by a human rights group that it had dropped cluster bombs on Georgia during the conflict. Human Rights Watch, the New York-based monitoring group, said Russian aircraft dropped cluster bombs on two Georgian towns on August 12, killing three civilians and wounding five.
Col Nogovitsin dismissed the accusations as “pre-prepared lies”.
“We did not use cluster bombs, and this was not necessary,” he said on Friday.
In May 2008, 107 nations agreed to a total ban on cluster munitions, but Russia did not participate in the talks.
Additional reporting by Peggy Hollinger in Paris and Bertrand Benoit in Berlin.
D. Spencer Hines - 16 Aug 2008 20:18 GMT Essential Reading...
"MISHA"...
"PUTIN the LILLIPUTIN"...
CLASSIC!
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Man in the News: Mikheil Saakashvili
By Quentin Peel The Financial Times
Published: August 15 2008
In the Kremlin they are determined to demonise Mikheil Saakashvili, describing him as a “lunatic” and a “pariah”, and accusing him of genocide.
Vladimir Putin and Dmitry Medvedev, Russia’s twin tsars, want him tried as a war criminal like Slobodan Milosevic. They flatly refuse to talk to him and leave no doubt they want him overthrown.
In Georgia, Mr Saakashvili is both adored and reviled. He inspires huge devotion from his supporters, who see him as a charismatic – and democratic – national hero who has stood up to the Russian bully. His detractors call him autocratic and impetuous, and accuse him of precipitating last week’s onslaught by Russian tanks.
Mr Saakashvili – known universally as Misha to friends and foes alike – was swept to power in 2004 on the heels of the Rose Revolution that ousted Eduard Shevardnadze, his predecessor, after a blatantly rigged election.
He became, at 36, the youngest head of state in Europe, a passionately pro-American polyglot who toured the world selling the story of Georgia’s revival.
He was the darling of neo-cons in Washington, but also managed to infuriate Mr Putin in Moscow, by failing to treat the Russian president with the respect he felt he deserved.
(He is credited with inventing the nickname “Lilliputin”, an allusion to Mr Putin’s diminutive stature, in contrast to his own towering presence.)
HILARIOUS! I'm beginning to like this "MISHA". -- DSH
Born in Tbilisi in 1967, where his father, Nikoloz, still practises as a doctor, and his mother, Giuli Alasania is a history professor at the university, he took a a degree in international relations at Kiev university. “It was less Soviet than Moscow.” he says.
PERCEPTIVE... -- DSH
He then pursued post-graduate studies in international law at Columbia university in New York, and at George Washington University.
It was an experience that made him a profound admirer of the American system (he has since surrounded himself with US consultants and PR advisers) and laid the foundations for a whirlwind career in Georgian politics.
He was elected to the Georgian parliament in 1995, and became justice minister under Mr Shevardnadze, before he resigned in protest at the all-pervasive corruption in government.
Elected mayor of Tbilisi, he founded his own party. In 2003, he led a mass revolt against the election result that had declared Mr Shevardnadze the winner, forcing him to resign, and clearing the way for his own landslide victory with 95 per cent support.
THE ROSE REVOLUTION. -- DSH
In less than five years, he has presided over an extraordinary economic transformation of his tiny nation on the shores of the Black Sea. From being a failed state in the 1990s, it became a magnet for foreign investors, and a liberalising darling of the international financial institutions.
GOOD SHOW. -- DSH
Yet he has failed in his second goal – to reunite Georgia. And he alienated some of his original allies. “He is really quite complex,” says a former European ambassador in Tbilisi. “He is very intelligent, very thoughtful, and sometimes trips up on his own complex thought processes.
He laughs at inappropriate moments. On the one hand, he is very open, an outward-looking modernising reformer, very much on our wavelength. He wants the system to be democratic. But personally his instinct is strongly autocratic. He has been leading a revolution. He is so committed to what he is trying to do, he went into extra overdrive to launch his reforms.”
In the process, he has lost support among the Georgian population, including many from the older generation, roughly thrust aside by the westernised young bankers and consultants who came home to help the transformation. Mr Saakashvili wanted to do it all at once – revolutionise the economy, and reintegrate the country. It was not to be done.
“He is an impatient man. He wants to move quickly,” says the ambassador. “The first signs of trouble came early on, when he was getting a lot of support and sympathy (from the west). They were saying to him: ‘Don’t rile the Russians. Take it calmly. Don’t use force’ and Saakashvili was having to grind his teeth, caught between his intense desire for rapid progress and the need for restraint.”
Mr Saakashvili’s name shows his family originally came from South Ossetia. He grew up a strong nationalist with a vision to revive Georgia. One of his great heroes is King David the Builder, who ruled the country in the 11th century, and drove out the Seljuk Turks. Mr Saakashvili took his oath of office at King David’s tomb in 2004.
But he does not sound like the fanatic that the Kremlin seeks to portray. He is certainly not a “lunatic”. On the other hand, he has always sounded somewhat ambiguous when talking about Georgia’s territorial integrity. He has made repeated proposals for political solutions – offering both Abkhazia and South Ossetia wide autonomy within a Georgian state – but has not seemed enthusiastic about meeting the separatists themselves, whom he regards as Russian stooges.
MANY of them ARE "RUSSIAN STOOGES" -- BUT NOT ALL. -- DSH
His mother has been a big influence, according to close friends. She sees the secession issue as manufactured by Moscow. “This problem is artificial,” she says. “It was invented. We never had a problem with Abkhazia and South Ossetia before.”
PERCEPTIVE. -- DSH
She rejects the charge that her son is impulsive. “He thinks very fast. This is his temper. But he always knows what he is doing.”
He can be charming and overwhelming – he never stops talking – although it is sometimes like a stream of consciousness, punctuated by digressions on Georgian history and culture, or his latest pet project. In government he conducts business at a furious rate. “It is government by mobile phone,” says one foreign observer. “Decisions are taken with a small group of insiders, working late at night. Then the rest are simply informed.”
Former allies, such as Salome Zurabishvili, his former foreign minister, left in disgust. “We are living in a de facto one-party system,” she says.
“He has an obsessive desire to win,” says the former ambassador. “That means really hammering people with different points of view – intellectually, and there is some evidence of intimidation. He has no time for a particular type of investigative journalist or a critical politician.”
Sitting at lunch last year, overlooking Tbilisi, he bolts his food, shoots quickfire answers to all questions, and rushes off to take a helicopter to the border. The skyline is littered with cranes. “Once all these new buildings are built, once it looks like Hong Kong did 10 years ago, attacking such a country does not look good,” he said. Perhaps that was why he was in such a hurry: his revolution came too late.
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