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Hmmmmmm... This could prove to be an even bigger disaster than Obama's speech in Berlin. If he loses in November will there be riots in our cities that make the Watts Riots look like beanbag?  SignatureDSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas Vires et Honor --------------------------------------------------------- Obama Speech Stage Resembles Ancient Greek Temple August 26, 2008 DENVER (Reuters) - Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama's big speech on Thursday night will be delivered from an elaborate columned stage resembling a miniature Greek temple. The stage, similar to structures used for rock concerts, has been set up at the 50-yard-line, the midpoint of Invesco Field, the stadium where the Denver Broncos' National Football League team plays. Some 80,000 supporters will see Obama appear from between plywood columns painted off-white, reminiscent of Washington's Capitol building or even the White House, to accept the party's nomination for president. He will stride out to a raised platform to a podium that can be raised from beneath the floor. The show should provide a striking image for the millions of Americans watching on television as Obama delivers a speech accepting the Democratic presidential nomination. Politicians in past elections have typically spoken from the convention site itself, but the Obama campaign liked the idea of having their man speak to a larger, stadium-sized crowd not far from where the Democratic National Convention is being held, at the Denver pro basketball arena. Obama was taking a page from the campaign book of John Kennedy in 1960 when the future president delivered his acceptance speech to 80,000 people in the Los Angeles Coliseum. Once Obama speaks, confetti will rain down on him and fireworks will be fired off from locations around the stadium wall. Democratic convention organizers said the theme for the evening is "Change We Can Believe In," which has been a consistent message of Obama's presidential campaign. Oscar-winning actress and singer Jennifer Hudson will sing the national anthem that night. (Reporting by Steve Holland; editing by David Wiessler) > Hmmmmmm... > [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > > (Reporting by Steve Holland; editing by David Wiessler) When will Obama attempt to walk on water? Will there be a fly over of witches and their brooms? Will back cats still be safe in Denver? Are we ready for Obama's changes? He has to part the waters of the Red Sea first. >> Hmmmmmm... >> [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] > witches and their brooms? Will black cats still be safe in Denver? Are > we ready for Obama's changes? > He has to part the waters of the Red Sea first. > [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] > > witches and their brooms? Will black cats still be safe in Denver? Are > > we ready for Obama's changes? The Lincoln Memorial? As in Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.'s "I Have a Dream" speech, 45 years ago, today? WRONG... Martin Luther King's _I Have A Dream Speech_ was 45 years ago TOMORROW -- it was 28 August 1963. Obama is understandably playing to that symbolism. Great Historic Speech... <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Have_a_Dream> I watched it live and realized immediately that many things were going to change for the better in American race relations -- but involving a long struggle and many crises along the way. ------------------------------------------------------ ""I Have A Dream" is the popular name given to the historic public speech by Martin Luther King, Jr., when he spoke of his desire for a future where blacks and whites among others would coexist harmoniously as equals." "King's delivery of the speech on August 28, 1963, from the steps of the Lincoln Memorial during the March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom was a defining moment of the American Civil Rights Movement." "Delivered to over two hundred thousand civil rights supporters, the speech is often considered to be one of the greatest and most notable speeches in history and was ranked the top American speech of the 20th century by a 1999 poll of scholars of public address. [1]" "According to U.S. Congressman John Lewis, who also spoke that day as the President of the Student Non-Violent Coordinating Committee, "Dr. King had the power, the ability and the capacity to transform those steps on the Lincoln Memorial into a modern day pulpit. By speaking the way he did, he educated, he inspired, he informed not just the people there, but people throughout America and unborn generations." [2]" Indeed... John Lewis has been prescient. SignatureDSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas Vires et Honor > The Lincoln Memorial? As in Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.'s "I Have a > Dream" speech, 45 years ago, today? In the previous article, D. Spencer Hines <panther@excelsior.com> wrote: > He has to part the waters of the Red Sea first. "Too Jewish." Signature_+_ From the catapult of |If anyone disagrees with any statement I make, I _|70|___:)=}- J.D. Baldwin |am quite prepared not only to retract it, but also \ / baldwin@panix.com|to deny under oath that I ever made it. -T. Lehrer ***~~~~----------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> Hmmmmmm... [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > we ready for Obama's changes? > Thus Spake: *G* *O* *D* *S* *C* *R* *E* *A* *T* *O* *R* The best is yet to come... A _real_ miracle is about to take placce! God's Creator! ( Well, we all make mistakes... ) :-( Signature~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Todays U.S. "Judaism Vs. Islamism Wars" News. http://www.antiwar.com Current (DOD) Casualties Report. http://icasualties.org/oif/BY_DOD.aspx ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ In alt.history.british Jack G. <jgranade@pioneernet.net> wrote: >> Hmmmmmm... >> [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] >> >> (Reporting by Steve Holland; editing by David Wiessler) >When will Obama attempt to walk on water? Will there be a fly over of >witches and their brooms? Will back cats still be safe in Denver? Are >we ready for Obama's changes? Be serious. The set is rather moderate and less ornate than the one used by George Bush when gave his acceptance speech. Yes, he had Roman columns and all the trimmings. Signature--- Paul J. Gans > Hmmmmmm... > [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > > (Reporting by Steve Holland; editing by David Wiessler) And you're telling me that the Republican convention will be held on the front porch of a single-wide trailer with the local jug band providing the music?? Tell me -- have you always been stupid or did you get that way from watching Faux and listening to Rush Limpballs?? >> Hmmmmmm... snipped... >Tell me -- have you always been stupid or did you get that way from >watching Faux and listening to Rush Limpballs?? Hmmmm - yep. I'm thinking that old Democrat liberal a.shole mantra of "Rush Limpballs" will win this election for ya - now THERE'S change ya'll can believe in. LOL Regards, Do you ever post anything that is NOT from a Republican talking point memo? Yes, we all can peruse the mainstream media. Thank you, but you offer so little and take up so much bandwidth. Dan > Hmmmmmm... > [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > > (Reporting by Steve Holland; editing by David Wiessler) August 27, 2008 Categories: Barack Obama Bush's 2004 temple Barack Obama's appearance in Denver won't be the first convention speech framed by Greek columns. Republicans who are mocking Obama's appearance haven't mentioned it, but George W. Bush accepted his own nomination in 2004 on a set with a similar neoclassical theme, with columns rising on either side of him, as the pictures above and below show. Indeed, the Bush set and the Obama sets currently look strikingly similar, with the podium set well in front of the columns, and connected by a path. The attachment to kitsch, particularly at political conventions, is clearly bipartisan. (There are also a couple of columns in America, as Matthew Yglesias notes.) http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0808/Bushs_2004_temple.html >> Hmmmmmm... >> Obama Speech Stage Resembles Ancient Greek Temple >> Some 80,000 supporters will see Obama appear from between plywood columns >> painted off-white, reminiscent of Washington's Capitol building or even the >> White House, to accept the party's nomination for president. >Barack Obama's appearance in Denver won't be the first convention >speech framed by Greek columns. >Republicans who are mocking Obama's appearance haven't mentioned it, >but George W. Bush accepted his own nomination in 2004 on a set with a >similar neoclassical theme, with columns rising on either side of him, >as the pictures above and below show. Yes, but that wasn't so incongruous because Bush is white. It's a different matter when an uppity person of African origin tries to apply the hypotheses propounded by Bernal in Black Athena. Don't believe what John McCain said on the day Russia invaded Georgia: "Today we are all Caucasians." James PS. If I see that egregious cliché "writ large" again, I'll vomit. > On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:42:57 -0700 (PDT), Jack Linthicum > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > PS. > If I see that egregious cliché "writ large" again, I'll vomit. I see the lunatic left is back changing the subject. They are as predictable as a wet fart from eating a cheap taco and smell just as bad. > > On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:42:57 -0700 (PDT), Jack Linthicum > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > predictable as a wet fart from eating a cheap taco and smell just as > bad. Yes, I recognized you >> On Aug 27, 12:06 pm, "D. Spencer Hines" <pant...@excelsior.com> >> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > different matter when an uppity person of African origin tries to > apply the hypotheses propounded by Bernal in Black Athena. Mind you, Bernal was wrong. SignatureJohn Briggs >> Yes, but that wasn't so incongruous because Bush is white. It's a >> different matter when an uppity person of African origin tries to >> apply the hypotheses propounded by Bernal in Black Athena. > >Mind you, Bernal was wrong. Bah, next thing you'll be telling me that Gavin Menzies is mistaken. James >>> Hmmmmmm... > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > PS. > If I see that egregious cliché "writ large" again, I'll vomit. Dude: "Far out, man." <makes White Russian> -- Les Cargill > On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:42:57 -0700 (PDT), Jack Linthicum > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > different matter when an uppity person of African origin tries to > apply the hypotheses propounded by Bernal in Black Athena. Yabbut, at least Barack married his own kind! Remember the news that scandalized Hines when he discovered a certain white woman had a bastard off-white child with a BLACK man? - nilita (any similarities to real people posting on Usenet are pure coincidences ...) >> On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:42:57 -0700 (PDT), Jack Linthicum >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >scandalized Hines when he discovered a certain white woman had a >bastard off-white child with a BLACK man? Hines only pretended to be scandalized. As we know, the old gossip (Julia) loves anything even faintly salacious that she can add to her database for future regurgitation. Julia's My Pictures folder is full of graphic images of inter- racial sex, which she consults, purely for research purposes of course, to gain some visual idea of how your baby was conceived. James >>> On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:42:57 -0700 (PDT), Jack Linthicum >>> [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > racial sex, which she consults, purely for research purposes of > course, to gain some visual idea of how your baby was conceived. Well, it's something to do with white birds and black bees .... - nilita >> Hmmmmmm... snipped... >Barack Obama's appearance in Denver won't be the first convention >speech framed by Greek columns. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0808/Bushs_2004_temple.html Here's the problem. Obama's hero - Karl Marx - probably wouldn't approve of the whole concept. Regards, >>> Hmmmmmm... > snipped... [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Here's the problem. Obama's hero - Karl Marx - probably wouldn't > approve of the whole concept. 2.5 out of 10 on the Troll-O-Meter. btw, Obama gave a wonderful (acceptance) speech tonight. I think he's going to be the next President of the United States. - nilita >> snipped... >>> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > - nilita A lot of folks who can't vote have that viewpoint. I really don't think we're ready for a fascist president. > >> snipped... > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > A lot of folks who can't vote have that viewpoint. I really don't think > we're ready for a fascist president. Now there is where it gets interesting. Obama is the candidate of change, older people still cling to the old 1968 ideas and the younger accept Obama as an answer to the constant bickering the old style produces. But the younger voters are also ignorant of what either a Communist or a Fascist was, so they assume if they don't like it it must be one or the other, or both. We have had a Presidency as close to fascist as you can get without the Gestapos so I guess Obama has to be a Communinist, or simply better at resolving problems. > >> snipped... > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > A lot of folks who can't vote have that viewpoint. I really don't think > we're ready for a fascist president. Now there is where it gets interesting. Obama is the candidate of change, older people still cling to the old 1968 ideas and the younger accept Obama as an answer to the constant bickering the old style produces. But the younger voters are also ignorant of what either a Communist or a Fascist was, so they assume if they don't like it it must be one or the other, or both. We have had a Presidency as close to fascist as you can get without the Gestapos so I guess Obama has to be a Communinist, or simply better at resolving problems. ========== Gestapo was an arm of the National Socialists (National Socialist German Workers' Party) not Fascism. Obama has Marxist leanings, not really compatible with modern communist philosophy. Can you name a single "problem" that Obama has "resolved"? His record doesn't back up his rhetoric. He does chair a committee, but hasn't bothered to call a meeting. ========== . Obama has Marxist leanings, not really > compatible with modern communist philosophy. Would you care to expand on that please. I'm not aware of any 'Marxist leanings' in any modern US politician. SignatureWilliam Black I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach Time for tea. > . Obama has Marxist leanings, not really >> compatible with modern communist philosophy. > > Would you care to expand on that please. > > I'm not aware of any 'Marxist leanings' in any modern US politician. It's payday for me (retirement checks in today) and I'm on my way out the door, so I don't have much time right now. Put "Obama and Marxism" in your search window and decide for yourself. A lot of those sources are wackos, but many are not. ======== In his first memoir, "Dreams," Obama included a description of black student life at Occidental College in Los Angeles. "There were enough of us on campus to constitute a tribe, and when it came to hanging out many of us chose to function like a tribe, staying close together, traveling in packs," he wrote. "It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names." He added: "To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists." ========= Obama had an admitted relationship with someone who was publicly identified as a member of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA). The record shows that Obama was in Hawaii from 1971-1979, where, at some point in time, he developed a close relationship, almost like a son, with Davis, listening to his "poetry" and getting advice on his career path. But Obama, in his book, "Dreams From My Father," refers to him repeatedly as just "Frank." Frank is the black communist writer now considered by some to be in the same category of prominence as Maya Angelou and Alice Walker. http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaPolitics.htm =========== http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56859 http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56405 http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/1938 >Obama had an admitted relationship with someone who was publicly identified >as a member of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA). The record shows that Obama [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >prominence as Maya Angelou and Alice Walker. >http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaPolitics.htm Thank you for the link to that most interesting site. I find it curious that Obama's belief in sex education for kindergarteners is labelled as "Homosexual Agenda". James >>Obama had an admitted relationship with someone who was publicly >>identified [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > I find it curious that Obama's belief in sex education for > kindergarteners is labelled as "Homosexual Agenda". I'm more interested in the idea that Obama was secretly recruited into the Communist Party by a poet who visited them and gave a recital. Did overtly Communist poets often recruit young people secretly in those days? Perhaps they think Communism is some sort of communicable disease people can catch, after all, think about it, 'Communism', 'Communicable', it's almost the same word... SignatureWilliam Black I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach Time for tea. >>>Obama had an admitted relationship with someone who was publicly >>>identified [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > can catch, after all, think about it, 'Communism', 'Communicable', > it's almost the same word... I just can't get this song out of my head right now ... "Paranoia runs deep ... into your life it will creep ..." - nilita, who remembers the same folks used to claim that commies ate babies and who wanted to root out Hollywood types, such as Charles Chaplin, for supposed communist sympathies ... >>>>Obama had an admitted relationship with someone who was publicly >>>>identified [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >I just can't get this song out of my head right now ... "Paranoia runs deep >... into your life it will creep ..." Good song, that. I checked my calendar to make sure that it really is 2008, not 1950 as some of today's McCarthyites would have us believe. James >>>>Obama had an admitted relationship with someone who was publicly >>>>identified [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > I just can't get this song out of my head right now ... "Paranoia runs > deep ... into your life it will creep ..." It's not paranoia, it's terror. What I can't work out is exactly what is making them afraid. Is it racism? Is it fear of a liberal leader? Is it that they're just scared of being locked up after getting away with some form of corruption for years? I just don't know, but the US right is undoubtedly terrified. SignatureWilliam Black I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach Time for tea. >>>>> Obama had an admitted relationship with someone who was publicly >>>>> identified [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > I just don't know, but the US right is undoubtedly terrified. Which is hardly unexpected - if you get them terrified they vote Republican. (I also give tips on rocket science...) SignatureJohn Briggs >>>>>Obama had an admitted relationship with someone who was publicly >>>>>identified [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > I just don't know, but the US right is undoubtedly terrified. The US Right has a tendency to call Canadians commies and/or socialists. It's hard to relate to them (the US ultra-rightwing) if you're not American. And vice versa. - nilita >>>>>> Obama had an admitted relationship with someone who was publicly >>>>>> identified [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > socialists. It's hard to relate to them (the US ultra-rightwing) if > you're not American. And vice versa. But as there is no US Left, the US Right is considerably larger than you might imagine. SignatureJohn Briggs >>>>>>> Obama had an admitted relationship with someone who was publicly >>>>>>> identified [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > But as there is no US Left, the US Right is considerably larger than you > might imagine. i didn't realize "left and right" was a set scale with a clearly defined center point. >>>>>>>> Obama had an admitted relationship with someone who was >>>>>>>> publicly identified [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > i didn't realize "left and right" was a set scale with a clearly > defined center point. That rather depends on how out-of-step with the rest of the world that you wish to be. SignatureJohn Briggs >>> But as there is no US Left, the US Right is considerably larger than >>> you might imagine. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > That rather depends on how out-of-step with the rest of the world that you > wish to be. i didn't think you had an answer. thanks for proving it. Hilarious! Black The Red once again demonstrates his... Utter Cluelessness... About American Politics & Culture. SignatureDSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas Vires et Honor Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum > It's not paranoia, it's terror. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > I just don't know, but the US right is undoubtedly terrified. <snip> >> I just can't get this song out of my head right now ... "Paranoia runs >> deep ... into your life it will creep ..." [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > I just don't know, but the US right is undoubtedly terrified. They are afraid, essentially, of science. Rather, they are afraid of the perceived nihilism of reason, which is ridiculous. But they don't know enough to know they don't know. I really think this comes from being afraid of mathematics. We have lost the ability to hold reason and faith at the same time. But the fear also comes from the repeated application of willing suspension of disbelief from media sources. Media modulates people's stress levels to make commercials work better. I'm pretty Burkean myself - meaning I think "Hm, dragging Louis XV to the guillotine was brutal regardless of context." and these people have nothing like that. If you see "The Power Of Nightmares", it does a relatively good job of describing the architecture of Neoconservatism. They literally create fantasies - Whitewater, Iraq, the communist threat - to serve as "noble lies", as socially useful myths to combat the perceived negative effects of individualism. You can download a .iso of "Power" off it's website. Highly recommended. http://www.archive.org/details/ThePowerOfNightmares -- Les Cargill > <snip> >>> I just can't get this song out of my head right now ... "Paranoia [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > modulates people's stress levels to make commercials work > better. Bizarrely, British television has (or had) rules forbidding cliffhangers before a commercial break! SignatureJohn Briggs Twaddle... Louis XVI. SignatureDSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas Vires et Honor > I'm pretty Burkean myself - meaning I think "Hm, dragging > Louis XV to the guillotine was brutal regardless of context." > and these people have nothing like that. More Twaddle Followed. SignatureDSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas Vires et Honor Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum >>>>>Obama had an admitted relationship with someone who was publicly >>>>>identified [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >> I just can't get this song out of my head right now ... "Paranoia runs >> deep ... into your life it will creep ..." > It's not paranoia, it's terror. It's neither. It's a grotesque level of stupidity. It's a type of propaganda aimed at braindeads who like the culture of phony symbols that don't confise them and that make them feel good. Guess where they learn to be braindeads, from very early on.... > What I can't work out is exactly what is making them afraid. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I just don't know, but the US right is undoubtedly terrified. >>>> Obama had an admitted relationship with someone who was publicly >>>> identified [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > and who wanted to root out Hollywood types, such as Charles Chaplin, for > supposed communist sympathies ... Some of the higher profile '60s radicals really were somewhat run by KGB agents. Not very many, and not very much. But that was enough to scare people... Anti-communism wasn't based much on principles - it was mainly an adaptation of WWII propaganda into Cold War terms. Some anti-communists *did* object on principle, but they weren't very high profile. Prior to Solzhenitsyn, there wasn't all that much data available... the principle adjective was "godless Communist." And both Orwell and Burgess saw ostensibly totalitarian dystopias in Britain's future.... a very strange sort of totalitarianism in Burgess' case, but there were references to political prisoners... -- Les Cargill >>>>> Obama had an admitted relationship with someone who was publicly >>>>> identified [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > Some of the higher profile '60s radicals really were somewhat run by > KGB agents. That's probably completely untrue. SignatureJohn Briggs >>>>>> Obama had an admitted relationship with someone who was publicly >>>>>> identified [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > That's probably completely untrue. Yup, that would be a new one to me. - nilita, adjusting the tinfoil cap to be able to make sense of some of this .... >>>>>>> Obama had an admitted relationship with someone who was publicly >>>>>>> identified [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > - nilita, adjusting the tinfoil cap to be able to make sense of some of this > .... Agreed - it's pretty whacky. http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/horowitz.html -- Les Cargill >>>>>> Obama had an admitted relationship with someone who was publicly >>>>>> identified [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > That's probably completely untrue. Really? Who was I got that from.... ah yes - David Horowitz, before he really completely lost it... he did claim first-person knowlege of it. But he may not be the most credible source in the world.... And it was nothing significant anyway, mainly just used for shock value by the Right. -- Les Cargill >>> Obama had an admitted relationship with someone who was publicly >>> identified [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > catch, after all, think about it, 'Communism', 'Communicable', it's > almost the same word... Black radical politics in the US tends towards Marxism or Islam. I would say the Obama isn't either, but that people will generalize on his skin color that he is. Some of that is pure agitprop. -- Les Cargill >> Obama had an admitted relationship with someone who was publicly >> identified as a member of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA). The [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I find it curious that Obama's belief in sex education for > kindergarteners is labelled as "Homosexual Agenda". Hey! Don't knock it - most Americans are stupid enough to fall for that sort of thing. SignatureJohn Briggs >> I find it curious that Obama's belief in sex education for >> kindergarteners is labelled as "Homosexual Agenda". > >Hey! Don't knock it - most [I hope not - JH] Americans are stupid enough to fall for that sort >of thing. The pernicious influence of Augustine persists. James In alt.history.british James Hogg <Jas.HoggOUT@spam.gmail.com> wrote: >>Obama had an admitted relationship with someone who was publicly identified >>as a member of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA). The record shows that Obama [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >>prominence as Maya Angelou and Alice Walker. >>http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaPolitics.htm >Thank you for the link to that most interesting site. >I find it curious that Obama's belief in sex education for >kindergarteners is labelled as "Homosexual Agenda". It would seem that many of our far-right males want everybody else to have as little knowlege of sex as they have. It is one way to cover up inadequacy. Signature--- Paul J. Gans > In alt.history.british James Hogg <Jas.HoggOUT@spam.gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > else to have as little knowlege of sex as they have. It is > one way to cover up inadequacy. Actually most folks believe that sex education is the responsibility of parents and not the government. Nigel Brooks >> It would seem that many of our far-right males want everybody >> else to have as little knowlege of sex as they have. It is >> one way to cover up inadequacy. > >Actually most folks believe that sex education is the responsibility of >parents and not the government. Yes; however, the OP is discussing sex *training*, not education. I wonder is Gans and Hines are queer? If not, then it's a terrible shame, I say! Wouldn't they make a wonderful couple? Jones In alt.history.british Nigel Brooks <nbrooks@msn.com> wrote: >> In alt.history.british James Hogg <Jas.HoggOUT@spam.gmail.com> wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >> else to have as little knowlege of sex as they have. It is >> one way to cover up inadequacy. >Actually most folks believe that sex education is the responsibility of >parents and not the government. Which would work well if the parents could actually educate their children. But many parents figure that what they don't know their children don't have to know either. Signature--- Paul J. Gans :It would seem that many of our far-right males want everybody :else to have as little knowlege of sex as they have. It is :one way to cover up inadequacy. It would seem that many of our far-left males want everybody to be trained in sex, including 5 year olds. I'll leave their interest in 5 year olds and sex for folks to speculate on... Signature"You take the lies out of him, and he'll shrink to the size of your hat; you take the malice out of him, and he'll disappear." -- Mark Twain > :It would seem that many of our far-right males want everybody > :else to have as little knowlege of sex as they have. It is [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > trained in sex, including 5 year olds. I'll leave their interest in 5 > year olds and sex for folks to speculate on... actually they want the 5 year olds to be able to avoid the mark foleys and larry craigs of the world. >> . Obama has Marxist leanings, not really >>> compatible with modern communist philosophy. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Put "Obama and Marxism" in your search window and decide for yourself. > A lot of those sources are wackos, but many are not. Nope. They'll all wackos, every single one. Well, as many as I could be bothered to read. So, it's your ball, you said he has 'Marxist leanings', I'd like an example. You know, collectivisation, revolution by the masses, dictatorship of the proletariat, that sort of stuff... Anything that counts as 'Social Democracy' everywhere else in the world (Socialised medicine, decent pensions, unemployment pay, help for the disabled, strict laws concerning hate speech, reasonable licensing systems for firearms, stuff like that) don't really count as Marxist... And don't go on about 'The Ten Planks... It's all Victorian social stuff that nobody has considered controversial for years. SignatureWilliam Black I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach Time for tea. Yes, Obama has tried to run away from and blur this close association with Frank Davis, the Communist writer. Down The Memory Hole... SignatureDSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas Vires et Honor Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum > In his first memoir, "Dreams," Obama included a description of black > student life at Occidental College in Los Angeles. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > to be in the same category of prominence as Maya Angelou and Alice Walker. > http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaPolitics.htm > Yes, Obama has tried to run away from and blur this close association with > Frank Davis, the Communist writer. So what? In 1971, he was 10. In 1979 he was 18. You mean in his teen years he developed a relationship with a liberal poet? Even a communist? SHOCKING! How dare a teenager do such a thing! Interesting though that not telling the truth about one's military service or religious conversion gets high praise from the folk like Hinesy, but an association with a poet gets damnation. Wow. I mean its funny.....Obama is both a Muslim rightwinger and an atheistic communist sympathizer! Talk about wanting the cake and eating it too! In alt.history.british William Black <william.black@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: >. Obama has Marxist leanings, not really >> compatible with modern communist philosophy. >Would you care to expand on that please. >I'm not aware of any 'Marxist leanings' in any modern US politician. In the NewSpeak of some right-wingers in the US today, anybody to the left of the Republican far right is a Marxist. Signature--- Paul J. Gans Nonsense... Gans can't even get his Orwell right... Fading Memory... And Creeping Alzheimer's. It's NEWSPEAK... Today it's being deployed by the LEFT... And is called... POLITICAL CORRECTNESS. <http://www.newspeakdictionary.com/ns-prin.html> Excerpt from "The Principles of Newspeak" An appendix to 1984 Written by : George Orwell in 1948 Newspeak was the official language of Oceania, and had been devised to meet the ideological needs of Ingsoc, or English Socialism. In the year 1984 there was not as yet anyone who used Newspeak as his sole means of communication, either in speech or writing. The leading articles of the _Times_ were written in it, but this was a tour de force which could only be carried out by a specialist. It was expected that Newspeak would have finally superseded Oldspeak (or standard English, as we should call it) by about the year 2050. Meanwhile, it gained ground steadily, all party members tending to use Newspeak words and grammatical constructions more and more in their everyday speech. The version in 1984, and embodied in the Ninth and Tenth Editions of Newspeak dictionary, was a provisional one, and contained many superfluous words and archaic formations which were due to be suppressed later. It is with the final, perfected version, as embodied in the Eleventh Edition of the dictionary, that we are concerned here. SignatureDSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas Vires et Honor Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum > In alt.history.british William Black <william.black@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > In the NewSpeak [sic] of some right-wingers in the US today, anybody > to the left of the Republican far right is a Marxist. >Nonsense... > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >It's NEWSPEAK... Wrong again. Like Gans, you insist on writing the s in uppercase (and indeed all the other letters). It's Newspeak. James :In alt.history.british William Black <william.black@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: : [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] :In the NewSpeak of some right-wingers in the US today, anybody :to the left of the Republican far right is a Marxist. And in the NewSpeak of some left-wingers in the US (and elsewhere) today, anybody to the right of Karl Marx is a Nazi. Signature"You take the lies out of him, and he'll shrink to the size of your hat; you take the malice out of him, and he'll disappear." -- Mark Twain On Aug 29, 10:55 pm, "William Black" <william.bl...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: > Would you care to expand on that please. > > I'm not aware of any 'Marxist leanings' in any modern US politician. It means that he has no real argument so goes about digging out old bogiemen to alarm the unthinking. >>>> snipped... >> [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > Gestapo was an arm of the National Socialists (National Socialist > German Workers' Party) not Fascism. You really are profoundly ignorant. Have you any idea what "Gestapo" means? Or how many of its members were Nazis? SignatureJohn Briggs >>>>> snipped... >>> [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > You really are profoundly ignorant. Have you any idea what "Gestapo" > means? Or how many of its members were Nazis? Speaking colloquially, you could use the term "gestapo" to refer to any police organization which uses terror to intimidate its "enemies". "Gestapo" (capital 'G') was the name given to Himmler and Goering's "State Secret Police" (Geheime Staatspolizei), serving NAZI (National Socialist German Workers' Party) interests. Technically, they could be also called "fascists" (a generic term), but that usage promotes confusion with the Fascism promoted and named by Mussolini. There were only about 2million members of the Nazi Party, so not everybody could be "good little Nazis". So, clue us in. How many Gestapo (responsible to Goering and Himmler) were Nazis? >>>>>> snipped... >>>> [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > So, clue us in. How many Gestapo (responsible to Goering and > Himmler) were Nazis? The "State Secret Police" were a government agency - just like the FBI. Its members were drawn from the police force of the Weimar republic - which had an extremely low percentage of Nazi Party membership. SignatureJohn Briggs > "Gestapo" (capital 'G') was the name given to Himmler and Goering's > "State Secret Police" (Geheime Staatspolizei), serving NAZI (National > Socialist German Workers' Party) interests. Goodness no. The German national secret police served national interests. SignatureWilliam Black I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach Time for tea. >> "Gestapo" (capital 'G') was the name given to Himmler and Goering's >> "State Secret Police" (Geheime Staatspolizei), serving NAZI (National [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > The German national secret police served national interests. If a trifle oddly defined :-) It derived from the Prussian State Police (hence the involvement of Goering as Minister-President), which was a bit better organised than the other states... SignatureJohn Briggs >>> "Gestapo" (capital 'G') was the name given to Himmler and Goering's >>> "State Secret Police" (Geheime Staatspolizei), serving NAZI (National [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Goering as Minister-President), which was a bit better organised than the > other states... What it almost certainly wasn't was Nazi. The old German police system seems to have resisted penetration by the Nazis at the lower levels until quite late. SignatureWilliam Black I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach Time for tea. >>>> "Gestapo" (capital 'G') was the name given to Himmler and >>>> Goering's "State Secret Police" (Geheime Staatspolizei), serving [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > The old German police system seems to have resisted penetration by > the Nazis at the lower levels until quite late. The Gestapo was thoroughly Nazified at the higher levels, and detached from the main police system. But it was quite small, and most members weren't Nazis - it was policing by consent, for the most part. (A huge contrast to the Stasi.) SignatureJohn Briggs > The Gestapo was thoroughly Nazified at the higher levels, and detached > from the main police system. But it was quite small, and most members > weren't Nazis - it was policing by consent, for the most part. (A huge > contrast to the Stasi.) The state security apparatus of Nazi Germany seems to have been extraordinarily effective against internal threats, and extraordinarily ineffective against external threats. What is interesting is that even though the senior management was made up almost exclusively of party hacks it functioned so well. SignatureWilliam Black I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach Time for tea. >> The Gestapo was thoroughly Nazified at the higher levels, and >> detached from the main police system. But it was quite small, and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > extraordinarily effective against internal threats, and > extraordinarily ineffective against external threats. As I said, it was policing by consent. > What is interesting is that even though the senior management was > made up almost exclusively of party hacks it functioned so well. Senior management is usually pretty redundant :-) The well-ordered German bureaucracy - and the well-ordered German people - continued to function regardless. Oh, and American de-Nazification procedures were so lax (or so ineffective) that some ministries of the Federal Republic ended up with a higher proportion of former Nazi Party members than they had had under the Third Reich! SignatureJohn Briggs >> >> snipped... >> [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > ========== fascism is copoprate government. hitler and mussolini were the tools of business. just like bush is here. and the gestapo was indeed a fascist enforement group. all fascist states have had their "secret state police" bush called it homeland security. and if marxism isn't communism what is it? [snip] > and if marxism isn't communism what is it? Marxism is the return of the feudal system applied to industrial workers; plus a list of the problems US industry had that Marx read in the newspapers. Communism turned out to be fascism by power mad middle class people wearing red. They probably hated the workers. Andrew Swallow > Communism turned out to be fascism by power mad middle class people > wearing red. They probably hated the workers. That's very good. Do you mind if I use it? SignatureWilliam Black I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach Time for tea. >> Communism turned out to be fascism by power mad middle class people >> wearing red. They probably hated the workers. > > That's very good. > > Do you mind if I use it? Go a head. Andrew Swallow > [snip] > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Andrew Swallow In both cases, a _very_small minority, controlled the masses. cheers.....Jeff On Aug 29, 5:30 am, "Pepperoni" <undeliverablea...@hotmail.com> wrote: > "La N" <nilita2004NOS...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > A lot of folks who can't vote have that viewpoint. I really don't think > we're ready for a fascist president. Now there is where it gets interesting. Obama is the candidate of change, older people still cling to the old 1968 ideas and the younger accept Obama as an answer to the constant bickering the old style produces. But the younger voters are also ignorant of what either a Communist or a Fascist was, so they assume if they don't like it it must be one or the other, or both. We have had a Presidency as close to fascist as you can get without the Gestapos so I guess Obama has to be a Communinist, or simply better at resolving problems. ************************************ So much of the American electorate speak in fearful hyperbolic terms of the Party/candidate they don't like. There is absolutely no way Obama is either fascist or communist. And btw I was listening to some Republican talking heads last night and today, most of whom conceded it was a tremendous speech Obama gave. They, of course, disagreed with some/many of his points. That's politics. - nilita > On Aug 29, 5:30 am, "Pepperoni" <undeliverablea...@hotmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > > - nilita The major move may be revealed today. If McCain's vice President's name leaks out and it is either Ridge or Lieberman you will see an explosion in St. Paul. I have this vision of McCain as a real maverick, who won't listen to the handlers and wants someone he trusts as his vP. The major move may be revealed today. If McCain's vice President's name leaks out and it is either Ridge or Lieberman you will see an explosion in St. Paul. I have this vision of McCain as a real maverick, who won't listen to the handlers and wants someone he trusts as his vP. ----------- Surely Ridge is too probably closely tied to the Bush administration. Lieberman would be entertaining, but has made one too many statements about wanting to see a Democrat in the Whitehouse, is seen as pro Gay marriage and anti gun. He's unelectable on a Republican presidential ticket. SignatureWilliam Black I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach Time for tea. On Aug 29, 10:08 am, "William Black" <william.bl...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: > The major move may be revealed today. If McCain's vice President's > name leaks out and it is either Ridge or Lieberman you will see an [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach > Time for tea. Its Sarah Palan, 44 years old, governor of Alaska. Lots of problems but probably better than anyone might have expected. >Its Sarah Palan, 44 years old, governor of Alaska. Lots of problems >but probably better than anyone might have expected. Sarah Palin, for those who want to (go)ogle her. She should have some points deducted for calling her son "Track". Her view of abortion is Augustinian. James >>Its Sarah Palan, 44 years old, governor of Alaska. Lots of problems >>but probably better than anyone might have expected. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Her view of abortion is Augustinian. Reading up on her she comes across as stark bonkers, a sort of dreadful caricature of beauty queen turned politician. You know, shoots moose for fun, against gay marriage (She even said 'some of my best friends...' ), against abortion, against just about everything, tried to keep an unsuccessful state agency going because the poor farmers would lose money, keeps investigating her own people for, let's be honest, nothing very much. I imagine it's a pretty cynical attempt to get some votes from Democrats who are traditionally considered a 'women's party'. On the other hand her as president, honest, upright, sentimental, straight forward, plain speaking, is more than a touch nightmarish... SignatureWilliam Black I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach Time for tea. >>>Its Sarah Palan, 44 years old, governor of Alaska. Lots of problems >>>but probably better than anyone might have expected. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >On the other hand her as president, honest, upright, sentimental, >straight forward, plain speaking, is more than a touch nightmarish... Her attempt to keep a state-owned business going long after it ceased to be profitable reminds me of bygone Labour policies here. It all smacks of Marxism to me, but I suppose it's a good balance to have one communist on each ticket. James >>>>Its Sarah Palan, 44 years old, governor of Alaska. Lots of problems >>>>but probably better than anyone might have expected. [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > It all smacks of Marxism to me, but I suppose it's a good balance > to have one communist on each ticket. I'm afraid she's not even a Marxist. 'Beauty Queen' politics. She wants world peace and to work with children and animals... SignatureWilliam Black I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach Time for tea. >>>>>Its Sarah Palan, 44 years old, governor of Alaska. Lots of problems >>>>>but probably better than anyone might have expected. [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > >She wants world peace and to work with children and animals... Still, it was an interesting choice of John McCain (72 years old today) for his mating run. "Today we are all Eskimoes." James >>>>>>Its Sarah Palan, 44 years old, governor of Alaska. Lots of problems >>>>>>but probably better than anyone might have expected. [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > "Today we are all Eskimoes." And there's lots of oil in Alaska ... ;) - nilita >>>>>>>Its Sarah Palan, 44 years old, governor of Alaska. Lots of problems >>>>>>>but probably better than anyone might have expected. [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > >And there's lots of oil in Alaska ... ;) It's not about the oil, or so they say... James >>>>>>Its Sarah Palan, 44 years old, governor of Alaska. Lots of problems >>>>>>but probably better than anyone might have expected. [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > James Ahem.....erm.....that's __Inuit_, James. <g> cheers......Jeff >>>>>>>Its Sarah Palan, 44 years old, governor of Alaska. Lots of problems >>>>>>>but probably better than anyone might have expected. [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > > Ahem.....erm.....that's __Inuit_, James. <g> A minor nit ... they could also be __Yupik__ or __Aleut__ Or ... let's go with "Esquimaux". - nilita, thinking of sending a memo to a particular NHL Edmonton team .... > >>>>>>>Its Sarah Palan, 44 years old, governor of Alaska. Lots of problems > >>>>>>>but probably better than anyone might have expected. [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > - nilita, thinking of sending a memo to a particular NHL Edmonton team .... Yupik Mr. Palin was born in Dillingham, located in western Alaska, where he gained an appreciation for Alaska’s cultural heritage and traditions from his Yup'ik grandmother. These traditions and the state’s rugged outdoors have played an influential role in the life of the Palin family. Since 1993, the first gentleman has participated every year in the Iron Dog race—the world’s longest snowmachine race (spanning 2,000 miles, from Wasilla to Nome to Fairbanks). To date, he has won the championship four times. On Aug 30, 12:51 pm, Jack Linthicum <jacklinthi...@earthlink.net> wrote: > > "Jeffrey Hamilton" <bberesf...@cogeco.ca> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > miles, from Wasilla to Nome to Fairbanks). To date, he has won the > championship four times. Oh yes, I forgot, Mr. Palin has Mr. Edwards problems compounded On Oh yes, I forgot, Mr. Palin has Mr. Edwards problems compounded ********************** How so? - nilita > On > Oh yes, I forgot, Mr. Palin has Mr. Edwards problems compounded [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > - nilita WONKETTE EXCLUSIVE: TODD PALIN MAY BE LOVER OF MANY LADIES Here’s one line of an e-mail from Wonkette tipster “Little R. Hen,” so secretive: “the first dude has a john edwards problem times ten zillion.” You heard it here first: Todd Plain gets four-thousand- zillion dollar haircuts. THERE ISN’T EVEN THAT MUCH MONEY ON EARTH, and yet. On Aug 30, 12:37 pm, "La N" <nilita2004NOS...@yahoo.com> wrote: > "Jeffrey Hamilton" <bberesf...@cogeco.ca> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] > - nilita, thinking of sending a memo to a particular NHL Edmonton team > .... Yupik Mr. Palin was born in Dillingham, located in western Alaska, where he gained an appreciation for Alaska’s cultural heritage and traditions from his Yup'ik grandmother. These traditions and the state’s rugged outdoors have |
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