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Garamondextended - 25 Jan 2004 22:02 GMT
In sheeps clothing of course.
Martin Reboul - 26 Jan 2004 16:03 GMT
> In sheeps clothing of course.

One of the Sussex Arabs if so. He certainly doesn't drink like an
Arab, I can assure you. Doesn't look like one either come to that.
In fact, the quintessential Englishman as far as I could see?
               Cheers
                         Martin
D. Spencer Hines - 26 Jan 2004 09:12 GMT
Hmmmmmm....

Cook is INDEED a typical _Englishman...of the lower classes ---- the
ragamuffin-brigade and the proles.

Probably including the bad teeth and blotchy skin as well.

Plus the prole mindset....

And the Class Hatred so typical of Brits of his class.

Further, Cook is congenitally and corrosively Anti-Semitic.  Many of
these lower-class Brits have had Jewish bosses and they see the obscene
Anti-Semitic rubbish they post in these newsgroups as some sort of
childish "payback" ---- silly-buggers little fools that they are.

Black and Cook are so dumb they think Harold Wilson was the only British
Prime Minister throughout the long American involvement in Vietnam from
1945 until 1975.

Hilarious!

These lower-class Brits don't even know their own History.

Inferior educations and watered-down, leached-out, alcoholic,
drug-sniffing  genetic stock ---- a fatal combination.

'Nuff Said....

Tim Roth in _Pulp Fiction_ is the best they can do for a role model.

Pitiful!

But Marvelously Entertaining...

Yes, Virginia, we must NEVER forget the marvelous entertainment they
give us.

D. Spencer Hines

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Vires et Honor

| > In sheeps clothing of course.
|
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
|                 Cheers
|                           Martin
William Black - 26 Jan 2004 19:21 GMT
> Black and Cook are so dumb they think Harold Wilson was the only British
> Prime Minister throughout the long American involvement in Vietnam from
> 1945 until 1975.

No we don't,  but we remember the Private Eye cover that showed old King
Harold biting LBJ's bum.

You see it was only Harold Wilson that mattered in this.

The Macmillan government was paralysed by the Profumo business and the
Cambridge Spies.  Much as he'd have loved to throw British lives away for
the USA he couldn't,  not after Suez.

Home was obviously a nit wit,  but whoever had their hand up his bum working
him had the sense to realise that the country wouldn't go to war behind an
inbred titled twit who looked and behaved like something out of PG Wodehouse
and whose main claim to fame is that he followed Chamberlain down the
aircraft steps after Munich.
.

Harold Wilson was in power from 1964 until 1970 when it was obvious,  even
to the Tories,  that the USA was getting a serious slapping in Vietnam to no
good purpose.

--
William Black
------------------
Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords
is no basis for a system of government
Martin Reboul - 26 Jan 2004 20:28 GMT
> Hmmmmmm....
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Plus the prole mindset....

The sort of chaps who were at Agincourt, Crecy, Poitiers, Waterloo
and places like that you mean Spency? No wonder we alarm you!

> And the Class Hatred so typical of Brits of his class.

What nonsense Spencer, you are obviously jealous of our patriotism
and resentful because you are not British, that's all. As for
teeth, we bite with ours and have our own real ones for the most
part... where are yours I wonder?

> Further, Cook is congenitally and corrosively Anti-Semitic.  Many of
> these lower-class Brits have had Jewish bosses and they see the obscene
> Anti-Semitic rubbish they post in these newsgroups as some sort of
> childish "payback" ---- silly-buggers little fools that they are.

More nonsensical assumptions David. I have had Jewish 'bosses'
(both good and bad) as well as English ones (far worse on the
whole) and others. The only ones I ever hit were both Irish, pure
coincidence however, as I have had excellent Irish 'bosses' too.
Neither Michael or I have 'bosses' however, nor have had for
years - we grew out of them, and you know nothing.

> Black and Cook are so dumb they think Harold Wilson was the only
> British Prime Minister throughout the long American involvement
in Vietnam from
> 1945 until 1975.

Where on earth did you get that from?

> Hilarious!

Indeedy.

> These lower-class Brits don't even know their own History.
>
> Inferior educations and watered-down, leached-out, alcoholic,
> drug-sniffing  genetic stock ---- a fatal combination.

Do I detect a trace of sour-grape, bitter jealousy here David? You
are a peculiar fellow!

> 'Nuff Said....

More than enough - fool.

> Tim Roth in _Pulp Fiction_ is the best they can do for a role model.

Oh dear.... he played an American in that David - haven't you seen
it? You really are a pratt aren't you!

> Pitiful!
>
> But Marvelously Entertaining...

Quite.

> Yes, Virginia, we must NEVER forget the marvelous entertainment they
> give us.

And you us David, so selflessly.
            Cheers
                    Martin
D. Spencer Hines - 26 Jan 2004 11:08 GMT
"I have had Jewish 'bosses' (both good and bad) as well as English ones
(far worse on the whole) and others.  The only ones I ever hit were both
Irish, pure coincidence however, as I have had excellent Irish 'bosses'
too."

Pit-Bull Reboul
-----------------

Hilarious!

My, My, My...

In Reboul's RACIST taxonomy, JEWS are NOT ENGLISH.

He delineates them as two separate categories and lets his congenital,
lower-class Brit Anti-Semitism right out of the bag.

Gans had best give his lackey, Reboul, a stern lesson in Political
Correctness ---- straightaway.

D. Spencer Hines

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Vires et Honor
Evan Brennan - 28 Jan 2004 10:54 GMT
> > Hmmmmmm....
> >
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> > And the Class Hatred so typical of Brits of his class.

Hines is right. William Black is a whiny, lower class Englishman who
nags and whines and never shuts up. Whenever he hopes the experience
will uncrappify his entire existence, he seizes the opportunity to
whine some more.
D. Spencer Hines - 28 Jan 2004 07:01 GMT
Bingo!

And thanks for nicely drawing the distinction between ENGLISHMAN and
BRIT.

I must learn to do better on that score.

When one discovers a DUMB ENGLISHMAN, like Cook, Reboul or Black there
is no need for a Yank, such as I, to insult the Welsh and Scots by
referring to him as a DUMB BRIT.

The problem for us Yanks is that we often don't know whether someone
posting from the U.K is English, Welsh, Scot or Irish ---- or a mixture.

Any suggestions for us on that score?

And:

"Uncrappify" ---- Good Word...

Deus Vult

Sholem Aleichem

D. Spencer Hines

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Vires et Honor

| > > Hmmmmmm....
| > >
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
| will uncrappify his entire existence, he seizes the opportunity to
| whine some more.
William Black - 28 Jan 2004 17:08 GMT
> Bingo!
>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Any suggestions for us on that score?

You could go by the name.

'Black' is not normally an English name...

I am informed that its origin may be Scottish,  and I have been informed
that as a 'Black' I am entitled to wear a specific clan tartan,  but what
the tartan it is, and when,  if ever, I would wear it, I leave as an
exercise for the astute reader.

--
William Black
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Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords
is no basis for a system of government
Bryn Fraser - 28 Jan 2004 18:51 GMT
>> Bingo!
>>
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>the tartan it is, and when,  if ever, I would wear it, I leave as an
>exercise for the astute reader.

Macilduy, MacGregor, Lamont, Maclean... Take your pick...

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William Black - 28 Jan 2004 19:35 GMT
> >I am informed that its origin may be Scottish,  and I have been informed
> >that as a 'Black' I am entitled to wear a specific clan tartan,  but what
> >the tartan it is, and when,  if ever, I would wear it, I leave as an
> >exercise for the astute reader.
> >
> Macilduy, MacGregor, Lamont, Maclean... Take your pick...

Thanks Bryn

I only knew about the MacGregor

--
William Black
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is no basis for a system of government
Bryn Fraser - 28 Jan 2004 20:37 GMT
>> >I am informed that its origin may be Scottish,  and I have been informed
>> >that as a 'Black' I am entitled to wear a specific clan tartan,  but what
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>I only knew about the MacGregor

I would plump for the MacGregor, the name being proscribed on pain of
death (1603?), Black was a popular choice of the "Children of the
Mist"...

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Susan Cohen - 29 Jan 2004 03:59 GMT
> > The problem for us Yanks is that we often don't know whether someone
> > posting from the U.K is English, Welsh, Scot or Irish ---- or a mixture.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> 'Black' is not normally an English name...

Which is odd, since it is Old English: Blaec; "dark complected one.

> I am informed that its origin may be Scottish,  and I have been informed
> that as a 'Black' I am entitled to wear a specific clan tartan,  but what
> the tartan it is, and when,  if ever, I would wear it, I leave as an
> exercise for the astute reader.

This page puts you as a Lamont *&* a MacGregor *&* a MacLean *&* a Maxwell.

http://www.electricscotland.com/webclans/septs.htm

This one seems to say just MacLean

http://search.dmoz.org/cgi-bin/search?search=black&all=no&cs=&cat=Regional%2FEur
ope%2FUnited_Kingdom%2FScotland%2FSociety_and_Culture%2FClans_and_Tartans


This one says Black is its own clan, but cautions against an automatic
assumption of Scots ancestry, as well as adding: "There is no Black Tartan
but because of the strong connections with the Lamont Clan the Lamont Tartan
is recommended. "

http://www.electricscotland.com/webclans/atoc/black2.html

Susan
a.spencer3 - 28 Jan 2004 17:14 GMT
> > The problem for us Yanks is that we often don't know whether someone
> posting from the U.K is English, Welsh, Scot or Irish ---- or a mixture.
>
> Any suggestions for us on that score?

Cnoiwch eich tafod

Surreyman
Martin Reboul - 28 Jan 2004 17:50 GMT
> Bingo!
>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Any suggestions for us on that score?

What does it matter David? Are you now extending your rascism and
prejudice to the entire English nation?

There are 'dumb' people in every nation old fruit, an odd word to
use as it is usually assosciated with silence or inability to
speak - surely we don't fall into that category? Quite the
opposite.

You are not 'dumb' Spency, merely stupid, crass, uncouth and
delightful to tease - our geriatric village idiot in your bumbling
way. I'd not like it if you were dumb, no fun in that!

What's the matter - have you been refused a visa again?
                      Cheers
                            Martin
William Black - 28 Jan 2004 17:05 GMT
> Hines is right. William Black is a whiny, lower class Englishman who
> nags and whines and never shuts up. Whenever he hopes the experience
> will uncrappify his entire existence, he seizes the opportunity to
> whine some more.

It's Ok people,  it's only Evan,  he'll go and drink some green beer in a
moment.

He's just a plastic paddy who lives in the USA and tells lies.

--
William Black
------------------
Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords
is no basis for a system of government
Michael W Cook - 28 Jan 2004 19:18 GMT
>> Hines is right. William Black is a whiny, lower class Englishman who
>> nags and whines and never shuts up. Whenever he hopes the experience
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> He's just a plastic paddy who lives in the USA and tells lies.

That's the fellow, Bill

He's just another US Plastic Paddy, who once a week donned his green hat and
scarf and went around the pubs and clubs with a tin collecting for
terrorists 'back home'.

MWC
Evan Brennan - 30 Jan 2004 09:00 GMT
> > Hines is right. William Black is a whiny, lower class Englishman who
> > nags and whines and never shuts up. Whenever he hopes the experience
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> He's just a plastic paddy who lives in the USA and tells lies.

Your story is tired, your performance is boring, your script is dull
and nothing in your latest drama is the least bit original.

Maybe if you rifle the pockets of Churchill's corpse you could find
some new material.
Bryn Fraser - 30 Jan 2004 10:57 GMT
>> > Hines is right. William Black is a whiny, lower class Englishman who
>> > nags and whines and never shuts up. Whenever he hopes the experience
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>Maybe if you rifle the pockets of Churchill's corpse you could find
>some new material.

Chruchill, Who?

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Evan Brennan - 28 Jan 2004 11:00 GMT
> > Hmmmmmm....
> >
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> > And the Class Hatred so typical of Brits of his class.

p.s. Cook is a whiny lower class English*woman*. No man could nag
THAT much unless he wears a dress and high heels.
Bryn Fraser - 28 Jan 2004 12:11 GMT
>> > Hmmmmmm....
>> >
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>p.s. Cook is a whiny lower class English*woman*. No man could nag
>THAT much unless he wears a dress and high heels.

Well at least you got the right target, second time round...

4/10 for trying...

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Sheila J - 28 Jan 2004 14:58 GMT
>>>Hmmmmmm....
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> p.s. Cook is a whiny lower class English*woman*. No man could nag
> THAT much unless he wears a dress and high heels.

Hey..Hey...Hey.....If you had to wear high heels and stockings, you
would be whining too!!!!!
Bryn Fraser - 28 Jan 2004 18:53 GMT
>>>>Hmmmmmm....
>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>Hey..Hey...Hey.....If you had to wear high heels and stockings, you
>would be whining too!!!!!

Its the thong that causes the real whines...

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Sheila J - 28 Jan 2004 19:07 GMT
>>>>> Hmmmmmm....
>>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>
> Its the thong that causes the real whines...

And this is from personal experience, Bryn?
Bryn Fraser - 28 Jan 2004 20:38 GMT
>>>>>> Hmmmmmm....
>>>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>
>And this is from personal experience, Bryn?

Perish the thought... :-*

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Evan Brennan - 30 Jan 2004 09:13 GMT
> >p.s. Cook is a whiny lower class English*woman*. No man could nag
> > THAT much unless he wears a dress and high heels.
>
> Hey..Hey...Hey.....If you had to wear high heels and stockings, you
> would be whining too!!!!!

Well, I figured that's why Cook was whining. Those fishnet stockings
look uncomfortable and probably get snagged in his hairy legs.

Hopefully that image will not be burned into your memory for too long.
Michael W Cook - 26 Jan 2004 22:03 GMT
> Hmmmmmm....

> Cook is INDEED a typical _Englishman...of the lower classes ---- the
> ragamuffin-brigade and the proles.

Hmmmm indeed.

Is he referring to Robin Cook, Peter Cook or Captain James Cook ?

Let's take a look at him shall we ?

Commander David Spencer Hines, US Navy Retired.

He currently lives in Hawaii with his Japanese wife.
They have two children of either sex.

Hines is believed to have been unemployed for at least the last seven years
after failed business adventures he started with money from his father's
will.

The son of Admiral Wellington T Hines (war hero and pioneer of carrier based
operations in the US Navy) Baby David's career was all mapped out for him:
Yale, Officer Training - he was being groomed for a top slot at the
Pentagon.

But as with many great men, the son rarely lives up to expectations.

He was relieved for 'cause' on two separate occasions while serving in the
United States Navy, the first being while assigned to Naval Security Group
Activity Misawa, Japan, the second while assigned to CINCPAC's Intel
Division on Oahu.

The latter incident got him reassigned to Pearl Harbor here he assumed
the duties as housing officer, quite a demotion for one whose career
had such glowing promise as a junior officer.

Never endearing, and forever the outcast, this "pompous nautical a.s"
laboured hard and doggedly for his promotions up to the rank of
Commander, but he ran into the 'eye of the storm' when he tried to
pull one tantrum after another in disagreement with a very sage
Captain who would go on to become Commander, U.S.Naval Security Group
Command!

He was yanked from his operational duties on the first occasion, and
appointed XO simply for the convenience of being under close scrutiny
by the C.O, and in a position less harassing to the other 700+ members
of the command.

This was NOT a promotion.

He served only as XO while the paperwork for his transfer made it through
the bureaucratic chain back in Washington. That didn't take all that long,
and before anyone knew it, D. Spencer Hines and his marvellous wife (how
she's put up with him for all these years must remain one of the world's
greatest mysteries), had departed Northern Honshu for the Hawaiian Islands.

It's one thing to butt heads with a Captain, but when told to cool
your jets by a four-star and you still stand  your ground, most wise men
know that their careers will, at that very moment, gain great
momentum and a natural phenomenon of tailspins that have continued to this
day!

In summary, in the words of a fellow officer who served with him:

" D Spencer Hines is one of the most arrogant jackasses to ever breath and
walk upon the face of earth. He hadn't a clue what leadership was all about,
and in the face of intelligence evaluation, he would always ask for a point
paper when one's analysis varied from his - and that was often the case.

"A towering man, of bulk and arrogance, this red headed barbarian is
not worth the grey hairs many of your constituents seem to be letting
themselves in for.

"He is his father's son, but nothing like his father, but rather, more
a quasi-nautical south seas jester at this stage in life whose open
sores apparently continue to ooze and your group are the swabs being
used to absorb all that ails this sick man during his transition to
senior citizenship!"

There you have it, Ladies and Gentlemen.

Of course, Hines denies it all.

And of course we all know he's a liar.

Please feel free to use this and re-post it whenever it is required.
No credits are necessary and I release all copyright on the post.

Michael W Cook
Broomhilda - 26 Jan 2004 22:31 GMT
SHAME ON YOU!!!!

> > Hmmmmmm....
>
[quoted text clipped - 85 lines]
>
> Michael W Cook
Sheila J - 26 Jan 2004 23:00 GMT
> SHAME ON YOU!!!!
>
[quoted text clipped - 101 lines]
>>
>>Michael W Cook

Gosh, I hope you never find out and post the details of my career......
Mine is 10 x worst than this!

But I suspect I'm cuter, so I get away with  more...
Ah the joy of being the only female in an all male regiment!
Martin Reboul - 26 Jan 2004 23:48 GMT
> > SHAME ON YOU!!!!
> >
[quoted text clipped - 107 lines]
> But I suspect I'm cuter, so I get away with  more...
> Ah the joy of being the only female in an all male regiment!

DSH has been very secretive about those aspects of his unsavoury
career, but he certainly seems to be obsessed with the word
'pogue'...

For the sake of decency, I think the subject should be closed
there...
              Cheers
                     Martin
Paul J Gans - 27 Jan 2004 03:18 GMT
In soc.history.medieval Sheila J <wolseley@shaw.ca> wrote:
>> SHAME ON YOU!!!!
>>
[quoted text clipped - 101 lines]
>>>
>>>Michael W Cook

>Gosh, I hope you never find out and post the details of my career......
>Mine is 10 x worst than this!

>But I suspect I'm cuter, so I get away with  more...
>Ah the joy of being the only female in an all male regiment!

But I suspect that character assassination is not your
main amusement.

  --- Paul J. Gans, who is still waiting for Mr. Hines to
      either prove I'm a Marxist or withdraw the statement
      that I am.
Sheila J - 27 Jan 2004 03:29 GMT
> In soc.history.medieval Sheila J <wolseley@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 116 lines]
>        either prove I'm a Marxist or withdraw the statement
>        that I am.

Well, yes that is true.  I don't understand why everyone can't just be
nicer!  I see no point in being rude to anyone.
But then I am always accused of being incredibly naive!
Fred J. McCall - 27 Jan 2004 04:53 GMT
:Well, yes that is true.  I don't understand why everyone can't just be
:nicer!  I see no point in being rude to anyone.
:But then I am always accused of being incredibly naive!

I like that in a woman....    :-)
Sheila J - 27 Jan 2004 05:05 GMT
> :Well, yes that is true.  I don't understand why everyone can't just be
> :nicer!  I see no point in being rude to anyone.
> :But then I am always accused of being incredibly naive!
>
> I like that in a woman....    :-)

What the naive part or the rude one?  :D
Fred J. McCall - 27 Jan 2004 06:07 GMT
:> :Well, yes that is true.  I don't understand why everyone can't just be
:> :nicer!  I see no point in being rude to anyone.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
:
:What the naive part or the rude one?  :D

Either way.  Both can have their own charm, in different ways.  :-)
Julian Richards - 27 Jan 2004 11:50 GMT
>:> :Well, yes that is true.  I don't understand why everyone can't just be
>:> :nicer!  I see no point in being rude to anyone.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>Either way.  Both can have their own charm, in different ways.  :-)

In telling us how you like a rude one inside a woman, you have just
gone very off-topic in all these groups, but on-topic for several
hundred more.

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Julian Richards - 27 Jan 2004 11:52 GMT
>Well, yes that is true.  I don't understand why everyone can't just be
>nicer!  I see no point in being rude to anyone.

I do try to be civil to DSH but he just doesn't seem interested. As an
English socialist, I don't see how I've annoyed him.

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Andrew Chaplin - 27 Jan 2004 12:11 GMT
[Headers trimmed -- somewhat.]

> >Well, yes that is true.  I don't understand why everyone can't just be
> >nicer!  I see no point in being rude to anyone.
>
> I do try to be civil to DSH but he just doesn't seem interested. As an
> English socialist, I don't see how I've annoyed him.

By drawing breath? ;^)
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Fred J. McCall - 27 Jan 2004 15:54 GMT
:As an
:English socialist, I don't see how I've annoyed him.

As an English socialist, there are practically uncountable things you
don't see.  Otherwise you couldn't be an English socialist.

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Julian Richards - 27 Jan 2004 23:32 GMT
>:As an
>:English socialist, I don't see how I've annoyed him.
>
>As an English socialist, there are practically uncountable things you
>don't see.  Otherwise you couldn't be an English socialist.

To disregard all who are different to you as being by definition wrong
is, by the very nature of the spectrum of human thoughts, to disregard
the vast majority of the rest of the world. If George Bush can invite
an English socialist and his family to visit his home for a holiday,
then I think that you should appreciate more the worth of different
opinions.

There is a further example more on topic for some of the groups here.
There are Israeli Jews and Palestinian Muslems that are good friends.
Not enough, by any means, but there are some.

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Surreyman - 28 Jan 2004 15:50 GMT
> There is a further example more on topic for some of the groups here.
> There are Israeli Jews and Palestinian Muslems that are good friends.
> Not enough, by any means, but there are some.

And Palestinian Christians & Israeli Moslems!
tiglath - 27 Jan 2004 23:22 GMT
> >Well, yes that is true.  I don't understand why everyone can't just be
> >nicer!  I see no point in being rude to anyone.
>
> I do try to be civil to DSH but he just doesn't seem interested. As an
> English socialist, I don't see how I've annoyed him.

Oh boy.

Like... driving a bulldozer into a house and wondering why the people in the
living room are yelling at you.
Julian Richards - 27 Jan 2004 23:52 GMT
>> >Well, yes that is true.  I don't understand why everyone can't just be
>> >nicer!  I see no point in being rude to anyone.
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>Like... driving a bulldozer into a house and wondering why the people in the
>living room are yelling at you.

Not quite in the same league. Even Republicans are proud of the right
to freedom of thought. Freedom to drive bulldozers is normally left as
a matter of individual conscience.

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tiglath - 27 Jan 2004 23:19 GMT
> > But I suspect that character assassination is not your
> > main amusement.
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> nicer!  I see no point in being rude to anyone.
> But then I am always accused of being incredibly naive!

It goes like this:

Step 1.   Believe me, convince yourself, sure thing, no doubt about it, take
that to the bank, bet my life on it, bet your life on it, certain as taxes:
there are evil people in this world.

Step 2.  There are, believe me, ...  nasty people in this world.

Step 3.  In order to stop the evil and nastiness of those people you have to
meet fire with more and better fire.  An artillery person understands that.

Step 4.  It takes as much, if not more, determination, cold blood, training,
skill, weaponry, and ruthlessness to lay down the fire power that will
repulse the evil and nasty, prompting some to remark that it is hard to tell
the good from the bad when the fire starts, especially those who don't pay
attention.

And always... the noble warrior kills reluctantly but efficiently, and never
gloats.
Sheila J - 27 Jan 2004 23:34 GMT
>>>But I suspect that character assassination is not your
>>>main amusement.
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> And always... the noble warrior kills reluctantly but efficiently, and never
> gloats.

Well, that was horribly sexy Tiglath!!  :D
Andrew Chaplin - 28 Jan 2004 04:14 GMT
[Headers trimmed -- mercifully.]

> It goes like this:
>
> <snip>
>
> And always... the noble warrior kills reluctantly but efficiently, and never
> gloats.

Only found in the artillery, where acts that take people's lives are,
quite and very literally, coldly calculated -- if you're dealing with
a competent bunch of Gunners.
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Sheila J - 28 Jan 2004 04:23 GMT
> [Headers trimmed -- mercifully.]
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> quite and very literally, coldly calculated -- if you're dealing with
> a competent bunch of Gunners.

Ah Andrew...you really are good for the cause!  :D
Michael W Cook - 27 Jan 2004 13:42 GMT
> Gosh, I hope you never find out and post the details of my career......
> Mine is 10 x worst than this!

There is a huge difference.

You, Sheila, are polite, willing to help and don't throw temper tantrums.

Hines on the other hand is a nasty, vindictive racist pig.

EVERYONE on this group, at one stage or another over the last seven years,
has offered a hand of friendship to Hines. On each occasion he has stabbed
that person in the back, several times.

Subsequently, he gets everything he deserves.

MWC
Martin Reboul - 27 Jan 2004 14:01 GMT
> > Gosh, I hope you never find out and post the details of my career......
> > Mine is 10 x worst than this!
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>
> Subsequently, he gets everything he deserves.

I can confirm that with brass knobs on. A bitter, twisted fellow
with a delicious pomposity and arrogance that beg to be soundly
lanced - as they have on numerous occasions. Totally
untrustworthy, spiteful, devious, pretentious, dishonest,
misogynistic, rascist, vain, egocentric and (fortunately) very
stupid. Those are his better qualities...
              Cheers
                       Martin
Broomhilda - 27 Jan 2004 14:19 GMT
So he stabs himself in the back.  Why would anyone else have to stoop to
character assassination?

> > Gosh, I hope you never find out and post the details of my career......
> > Mine is 10 x worst than this!
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>
> MWC
Julian Richards - 26 Jan 2004 23:08 GMT
>Let's take a look at him shall we ?
>
>Commander David Spencer Hines, US Navy Retired.

What are the sources of your information? Out of curiosity, how old is
DSH? A Web search shows him having links with a university in Hawaii.

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Michael W Cook - 27 Jan 2004 14:16 GMT
>> Let's take a look at him shall we ?
>>
>> Commander David Spencer Hines, US Navy Retired.
>
> What are the sources of your information?

Several years of researching by a few folk on SHM.

Testimonies from former Naval personnel who served with him.
(Two of whom were quoted)

>Out of curiosity, how old is DSH?

Sixty-Four.

Born 31 August 1939

It was a Thursday.

The following day Hitler invaded Poland.

> A Web search shows him having links with a university in Hawaii.

He can be seen in the 1963 Yale yearbook.

In April 1998 he was listed as one of the accounting and business faculty at
Hawaii Pacific University.

Cheers

Michael
John Cartmell - 26 Jan 2004 23:34 GMT
> It's one thing to butt heads with a Captain, but when told to cool
> your jets by a four-star and you still stand  your ground

My view of him has just gone up! OK - don't get excited, it's still *very*
low, but standing your ground to a four-star takes something...

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Michael W Cook - 27 Jan 2004 14:17 GMT
>> It's one thing to butt heads with a Captain, but when told to cool
>> your jets by a four-star and you still stand  your ground
>
> My view of him has just gone up! OK - don't get excited, it's still *very*
> low, but standing your ground to a four-star takes something...

Either that or you're a f--king idiot.

In Hines' case I suspect it's the later.

Cheers

Michael
William Black - 27 Jan 2004 16:53 GMT
> > It's one thing to butt heads with a Captain, but when told to cool
> > your jets by a four-star and you still stand  your ground
>
> My view of him has just gone up! OK - don't get excited, it's still *very*
> low, but standing your ground to a four-star takes something...

Only if you're right.

If you're wrong the system will never forgive you and you'll end up a
housing officer,  shortly followed by being passed over and retirement.

--
William Black
------------------
Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords
is no basis for a system of government
Broomhilda - 28 Jan 2004 13:31 GMT
Or end up at Adak?

That was a frequent threat when I worked for the Navy.

> > > It's one thing to butt heads with a Captain, but when told to cool
> > > your jets by a four-star and you still stand  your ground
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> Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords
> is no basis for a system of government
a.spencer3 - 27 Jan 2004 09:45 GMT
> > Hmmmmmm....
>
[quoted text clipped - 83 lines]
> Please feel free to use this and re-post it whenever it is required.
> No credits are necessary and I release all copyright on the post.

But my son tells me his daughter is an absolute beaut!

Surreyman
Michael W Cook - 27 Jan 2004 14:49 GMT
> But my son tells me his daughter is an absolute beaut!

She is a pretty lass and clever, she was awarded a $38,862  grant in 2002 by
the State of Kentucky.

The only thing her old man has been awarded is the Order of the Boot.

Cheers

Michael
Surreyman - 28 Jan 2004 10:17 GMT
> > But my son tells me his daughter is an absolute beaut!
>
> She is a pretty lass and clever, she was awarded a $38,862  grant in 2002 by
> the State of Kentucky.
>
> The only thing her old man has been awarded is the Order of the Boot.

Yeh - he was visiting a uni out there when he met up with her.
I remember relating the crazy coincidence on this ng. A bit close for comfort!
I spent pages insisting that the Hawaiian Spencers and Surrey Spencers were
NOT related!
(Whether they became conjoined or not, I wouldn't know!).

Surreyman
Martin Reboul - 28 Jan 2004 13:25 GMT
> > > But my son tells me his daughter is an absolute beaut!
> >
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> NOT related!
> (Whether they became conjoined or not, I wouldn't know!).

Good to see at least one of the Spencers doing their bit for
International Relations.
The Northants branch of the family would do well to follow this
fine example!
               Cheers
                       Martin
 
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