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History Forum / General / British History / January 2004Groom-in-waiting
What for God's sake is a "groom-in-waiting" ?? Queen Victoria seemed to have several: Robert Nigel, Hon. Alexander Grantham Yorke ... Regards, Matthias -- Für emails Anweisung in der Adresse befolgen > What for God's sake is a "groom-in-waiting" ?? > Queen Victoria seemed to have several: Robert Nigel, Hon. Alexander [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > -- > Für emails Anweisung in der Adresse befolgen like a lady in waiting it denotes someone with good access to the king or queen . a groom in waiting had some clout . > What for God's sake is a "groom-in-waiting" ?? > Queen Victoria seemed to have several: Robert Nigel, Hon. Alexander > Grantham Yorke ... Groom: Someone who looks after horses. 'in waiting' 'Waits upon her majesty' In other words, someone associated with the royal household and has personal access to the king/queen. It could either be a personal servant, or, more likely, a courtier of some sort whose appointment also involves some management of staff involved with horses. -- William Black ------------------ Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government > What for God's sake is a "groom-in-waiting" ?? It simply means a personal male servant of the monarch. Groom originally meant a man or boy and later meant any male in a lower position, usually a servant. In the past few centuries, it has come to mean specifically someone who looks after horses, but the Royal Household isn't that up-to-date in its terminology. In waiting means someone who attends to the monarch personally. Colin Bignell > It simply means a personal male servant of the monarch. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > that up-to-date in its terminology. In waiting means someone who attends to > the monarch personally. I perfectly understand what you mean. Hmm, you don't know the german translation, do you? We don't have any monarchs for some time, so I'm not used to royal terminology ..... Regards, Matthias > > It simply means a personal male servant of the monarch. > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > We don't have any monarchs for some time, so I'm not used to royal > terminology ..... My German is limited to asking for a couple of beers, which is delivered in an accent that usually gets a reply in near-perfect English. My partner, who is German, although not old enough to remember the Kaiser, may know, but I won't be seeing her until tomorrow. If it helps, the closest French word to a groom in a royal household is chambellan. However, in English, although having its roots in the term for a servant who attended the King in his bedchamber, a chamberlain is now something entirely different. Colin Bignell ... > > I perfectly understand what you mean. Hmm, you don't know the german > > translation, do you? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > is German, although not old enough to remember the Kaiser, may know, but I > won't be seeing her until tomorrow. Barbara suggests that the closest translation, including some of the subtlties of meaning, would be koeniglicher kammerdiener Colin Bignell > > > I perfectly understand what you mean. Hmm, you don't know the german > > > translation, do you? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Barbara suggests that the closest translation, including some of the > subtlties of meaning, would be koeniglicher kammerdiener Aaah! That's it! :-)) >> It simply means a personal male servant of the monarch. >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >Regards, >Matthias I'm sure you have plenty of words for "flunky" nonetheless. An approximation would be "apparatchik" I think. Liz > >> It simply means a personal male servant of the monarch. > >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Liz in-waiting denotes access and clout not some midlevel step and fechit . > in-waiting denotes access and clout > not some midlevel step and fechit . It do, do it? It denotes someone whose job is to "wait on" someone else, to me. Sure, ladies in waiting have "access" - they carry her handbag, wipe her nose. But clout? I don't think so! Liz >> in-waiting denotes access and clout >> not some midlevel step and fechit . > >It do, do it? It denotes someone whose job is to "wait on" someone else, to me. Sure, >ladies in waiting have "access" - they carry her handbag, wipe her nose. But clout? I >don't think so! Try looking into the history of the "Groom of the Stool".  SignatureDon Aitken Mail to the addresses given in the headers is no longer being read. To mail me, substitute "clara.co.uk" for "freeuk.com". |
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