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jabriol - 27 Feb 2004 00:05 GMT
Darwin's Beagle may lie under Essex mud

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rs.com> Reuters

Mon Feb 16, 7:50 AM ET

By Jeremy Lovell

LONDON (Reuters) - A group of marine archaeologists may have solved one of
the world's most enduring maritime mysteries -- the final resting place of
HMS Beagle in which Charles Darwin developed his landmark theory of
evolution.

"This vessel is one of the most significant in the history of scientific
research," Robert Prescott of the Beagle Ship Research Group told Reuters by
telephone.

So far all that has been seen is a radar image of the outline of a hull
under some four metres (12 feet) of mud in the marshes of Essex, east of
London, with further research needed to verify that it is indeed the Beagle.

For such a famous ship, the Beagle has been frustratingly hard to find,
having disappeared from sight more than a century ago.

But Prescott, who is based at St Andrews University in Scotland, is
confident they have found their quarry.

"We have followed a carefully researched trail that has led us to this
berth," he said.

It was in the Beagle that Darwin travelled the globe for five years from
1831 carrying out survey work and gradually piecing together his
observations of species that would some 20 years later result in his epochal
book, the Origin of Species.

The book, which postulated the theory that species evolved to suit their
environments, caused an outcry in religious circles that reverberates to
this day.

After the voyage, the Beagle -- one of a type of ship that was the workhorse
of the Royal Navy -- was attached to Customs and Excise and was used to
catch smugglers along the Essex coast.

Prescott's detective work found that for many years the Beagle was moored
mid-stream on the River Roach and was home to successive families of
coastguards.

Then in 1870, at the age of 50, the ship was sold to a local firm of scrap
merchants and the record ceases.

But it is known that the firm had a small dock on the river, and it is at
this long-lost dock that the scientists have found the outline of a ship
they believe is the Beagle.

The decision now is what to do with what they have found.

"At this stage we are not considering raising the ship and conserving it. In
fact once we have verified that it is the Beagle we could just walk away,"
Prescott said.

"But it would be fascinating to find out what is left in there. Who
knows --there may be coins from Darwin's pocket or even the evidence of
insects from his voyage."
Vaughan Sanders - 27 Feb 2004 09:03 GMT
> Darwin's Beagle may lie under Essex mud

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> knows --there may be coins from Darwin's pocket or even the evidence of
> insects from his voyage."

As far as I know, she lies on Potton Island, which I think is part of
the MOD weapons testing establishment at Foulness. Google for a map of
Rochford Essex, Potton is opposite Pagelsham.

Prittlewell, the site of the recent find of the 7c burial of a Saxon
king of Essex was then navigable by the Roach, Rochford (Roach-ford) is
less than a mile away.

Ashingdon, the site of Cnut's victory over Edmund Ironside in 1016 is
also close by, laying between the river Crouch and it's tributary the
Roach.

Jamie
Frank Reichenbacher - 27 Feb 2004 15:48 GMT
> > Darwin's Beagle may lie under Essex mud
> >
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> of
> > insects from his voyage."

> As far as I know, she lies on Potton Island, which I think is part of
> the MOD weapons testing establishment at Foulness.

'Foulness'???

Is there really a place called 'Foulness'?

Do the local football referees have a reputation for excessive bookings?

Does the air stink?

Inquiring minds *have to* know.

Frank

Google for a map of
> Rochford Essex, Potton is opposite Pagelsham.
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> Jamie
Don Aitken - 27 Feb 2004 16:57 GMT
>> As far as I know, she lies on Potton Island, which I think is part of
>> the MOD weapons testing establishment at Foulness.
>
>'Foulness'???
>
>Is there really a place called 'Foulness'?

There is indeed. Excellent description at
http://www.stosyth.gov.uk/default.asp?calltype=foulnessmar01
and a collection of old postcard views at
http://www.peter-owen.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/postcards/foulness/foulness.html

Foulness nearly became the location of a new London Airport about
thirty years ago. The MoD was willing to give it up then, but they
decided to hang on to it when the idea was abandoned.

Pronounced foul-NESS, by the way.

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Vaughan Sanders - 27 Feb 2004 17:35 GMT
> > > Darwin's Beagle may lie under Essex mud

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> Is there really a place called 'Foulness'?

The ness is Norse for headland.

> Do the local football referees have a reputation for excessive bookings?

They are not to amused when the windsurfers get washed into the firing
ranges.

> Does the air stink?

Nope, never smelt any cordite but the water shakes sometimes when the
guns go off.

Jamie

> Inquiring minds *have to* know.
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> >
> > Jamie
Phil C. - 28 Feb 2004 16:10 GMT
>'Foulness'???
>
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>> also close by, laying between the river Crouch and it's tributary the
>> Roach.

Trimmed to ahb.
I recall that Bill Bryson claims in "Notes from a Small Island" that
for him roughly half of English place names are amusing or odd. I
suppose Foulness would sound pretty odd to the uninitiated.
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Phil C.

Vaughan Sanders - 28 Feb 2004 21:26 GMT
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> Trimmed to ahb.
> I recall that Bill Bryson claims in "Notes from a Small Island" that
> for him roughly half of English place names are amusing or odd. I
> suppose Foulness would sound pretty odd to the uninitiated.

I've just been watching Julian Richards' Meet the Ancestors on the
Beagle excavation. Prof Colin of the Beagle 2 Mars probe said it was
amazing to find the original Beagle in the *back of beyond*. Both myself
and my son piped up, "Sarfend the back of beyond, the centre of the
universe surely" :-))
The excavation is on the MoD land of Potton Island opposite Pagelsham.
I used to go fishing on a charter boat from Pagelsham when I was about
18 / 19. At least 10 pints on a Friday night in the flesh spots of
Sarfend, then in the local Chinese restaurant, then over to Pagelsham by
5 am Saturday morning and sick as a dog over the side of a tossing
fishing smack.
Those were the days :-))

Jamie
Phil C. - 29 Feb 2004 12:50 GMT
>I've just been watching Julian Richards' Meet the Ancestors on the
>Beagle excavation. Prof Colin of the Beagle 2 Mars probe said it was
>amazing to find the original Beagle in the *back of beyond*.

If he was amazed, where _does_ he expect to find abandoned hulks?
Directly under Tower Bridge? No wonder he can't find his Mars probe.
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FF - 29 Feb 2004 17:56 GMT
>>I've just been watching Julian Richards' Meet the Ancestors on the
>>Beagle excavation. Prof Colin of the Beagle 2 Mars probe said it was
>>amazing to find the original Beagle in the *back of beyond*.
>
>If he was amazed, where _does_ he expect to find abandoned hulks?
>Directly under Tower Bridge? No wonder he can't find his Mars probe.

Arr well, 'ee's from roun' 'ere, 'ee is! They do say the accent makes 'em sound
thick! Some of us haves our doubts, we does!

Liz
Vaughan Sanders - 27 Feb 2004 20:49 GMT
"Vaughan Sanders" <jamie@chalkwell-windsurfing.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in
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> > 'Foulness'???
> >
> > Is there really a place called 'Foulness'?
>
> The ness is Norse for headland.

The Foul is most likely as in wildfowl, the majority of the world
population of Brent Geese winter here. They are partial to a local
delicacy called eel grass (a rare type of sea weed).

Foul --- OE = ful
Fowl ---OE = fugal

Foul-smelling--OE = fulstincend
Fowler--------OE = fuglere

Jamie
 
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