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Paul Abeles - 01 Mar 2004 11:57 GMT
One of the arguments the Zionists use for their possession of Palestine is
ancestral rights.

Now if my memory serves me correctly, weren't the Jews themselves
immigrants. Wasn't Abraham born in Iraq?

Please cut the bullshit.

For the record I am descended from Palestinian Jews.
Mike - 01 Mar 2004 12:59 GMT
This is a valid point.....however, youre forgetting one thing. With this
statement, you're also saying that before Abraham came from Ur and moved to
present Israel, someone was already there. While this maybe be true or not,
it surely wasnt the Palestinians. They got there around 650-750 AD (CE) with
the masive spread west of Islam. Abraham got there around 3000 BC (BCE), so
in terms of who got there first, it was the Jews.

Also, this arguement is unfortunately pretty sketchy. If youre going with
that, why not apply it to the European settlers of America. The Indians were
there first....should they be in control for the land? But i guess we all
know how that ended up. This is one of those arguements that looks really
well when allpied to one situation, but when you use it in others, you see
how faulty it is.

M
Paul Abeles - 01 Mar 2004 13:36 GMT
> This is a valid point.....however, youre forgetting one thing. With this
> statement, you're also saying that before Abraham came from Ur and moved to
> present Israel, someone was already there. While this maybe be true or not,
> it surely wasnt the Palestinians.

It was some of the Palestinians. I'm sure some are descended from the
Canaanites, just like some Jews are.
Susan Cohen - 01 Mar 2004 15:26 GMT
> This is a valid point.....however, youre forgetting one thing. With this
> statement, you're also saying that before Abraham came from Ur and moved to
> present Israel, someone was already there. While this maybe be true or not,
> it surely wasnt the Palestinians. They got there around 650-750 AD (CE) with
> the masive spread west of Islam. Abraham got there around 3000 BC (BCE), so
> in terms of who got there first, it was the Jews.

I would be perfectly willing to accept that ancient Jews were barbaric by
modern standards & conquered the land with bloodshed. Primitive times were
primitive for a reason.

> Also, this arguement is unfortunately pretty sketchy. If youre going with
> that, why not apply it to the European settlers of America. The Indians were
> there first....should they be in control for the land? But i guess we all
> know how that ended up. This is one of those arguements that looks really
> well when allpied to one situation, but when you use it in others, you see
> how faulty it is.

It's how you can tell that what pretends to be "anti Israel" is really just
Jew-hatred.

Susan
Tron Furu - 01 Mar 2004 15:39 GMT
> It's how you can tell that what pretends to be "anti Israel" is really just
> Jew-hatred.

Hi there,

Is there, in your eyes, any permissible (i.e. not anti-jewish) criticism of
Israel?
What would be the preconditions for putting it forth, and for having it
accepted as such?

Regards,

Tron
Martin Reboul - 01 Mar 2004 19:43 GMT
> > It's how you can tell that what pretends to be "anti Israel" is really
> just
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> What would be the preconditions for putting it forth, and for having it
> accepted as such?

Don't ask awkward questions, lest ye be called "a bigot"!
Theodore Herzl - 02 Mar 2004 00:20 GMT
>  
> > It's how you can tell that what pretends to be "anti Israel" is really
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Tron

No, there is absolutely no criticism of the policies of Israel that is
not completely anti-Semitic and hateful towards Jews.   Any criticism
of Israel is also considered hate speech and can lead to being
censored or labled a Holocaust Denier.  I have already turned you in
to your ISP for posting such hateful qustions as just by asking the
question proves you are anti-Semitic.

The only pre-condition to putting forth a question that may be deemed
as critical to Israel is to first pay us money and then to mention
Palestinian terrorism when pose the question.  But even then, if you
are too critical of Israel, even after the money and disclamer, you
question is anti-Semitic and you will be called a Jew hater.

I would suggest you only concentrate on the war crimes of other
nations.
Martin Reboul - 02 Mar 2004 00:48 GMT
> > > It's how you can tell that what pretends to be "anti Israel" is really
> >  just
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
> I would suggest you only concentrate on the war crimes of other
> nations.

I think that covers it all nicely. Thanks for clarifying that Theo.
           Cheers
                  Martin
not_over_the_hill - 02 Mar 2004 00:20 GMT
>> This is a valid point.....however, youre forgetting one thing. With this
>> statement, you're also saying that before Abraham came from Ur and moved
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>
>Susan

So what?   Most jews on this board make no bones about
hating Muslims.

Jesus had it right.   A bunch of hypocrites!!
raymond o'hara - 01 Mar 2004 20:51 GMT
> This is a valid point.....however, youre forgetting one thing. With this
> statement, you're also saying that before Abraham came from Ur and moved to
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> M

jews and arabs are semites . they have lived in the mid-east since time
immemorial . islam is a johnny come lately religion , before mohammed the
people of the area were christians before christianity they were sun
worshipers or animists .
Sheldon Liberman - 01 Mar 2004 13:43 GMT
> One of the arguments the Zionists use for their possession of Palestine is
> ancestral rights.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Please cut the bullshit.

He also bought the land of Hebron as a burial spot for his wife.

> For the record I am descended from Palestinian Jews.
Paul Abeles - 01 Mar 2004 14:09 GMT
> > One of the arguments the Zionists use for their possession of Palestine is
> > ancestral rights.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> He also bought the land of Hebron as a burial spot for his wife.

Got the title deed?
JGB - 02 Mar 2004 00:24 GMT
> > > One of the arguments the Zionists use for their possession of Palestine
>  is
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> >
> > He also bought the land of Hebron as a burial spot for his wife.

> Got the title deed?<

The Bible got our titles. Where do the Arabs get their's, from the
Quran? If so, where is it stated? Show me where in the Quran Arabs
or even Muslims in general, have a specific right to Canaan, or Israel
or Palestine, or whatever you want to call it?
Susan Cohen - 02 Mar 2004 00:37 GMT
> > Got the title deed?<
>
> The Bible got our titles. Where do the Arabs get their's, from the
> Quran? If so, where is it stated? Show me where in the Quran Arabs
> or even Muslims in general, have a specific right to Canaan, or Israel
> or Palestine, or whatever you want to call it?

The Qu'ran specifically states in regards to Israel & the Jews: "& we said
to them, go inhabit the land."

Susan
Fred Bloggs - 05 Mar 2004 13:38 GMT
> > > > One of the arguments the Zionists use for their possession of Palestine
>  is
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> or even Muslims in general, have a specific right to Canaan, or Israel
> or Palestine, or whatever you want to call it?

Fine. I've just written my own Really Serious Relgious Text. It
consists of just "Shut the f.ck up".  I wonder if any experts here can
let me know how it goes from just being a book written by a human to
an Infallible Record Of Gawds Word. Do I have to do the whole
`brainwash a bunch of mentally ill and seriously undereducated people`
bit, or will time take care of that on it's own.
Susan Cohen - 05 Mar 2004 15:02 GMT
> > > "Paul Abeles" wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> `brainwash a bunch of mentally ill and seriously undereducated people`
> bit, or will time take care of that on it's own.

The point here is that they are not even following their own religion while
claiming that they are.
This includes taking our religion as seriously as they claim, even if *not*
as part of their own.
Even if it *didn't*, their own holy books say about Israel: "And so we said
to the Children of Israel; "Go inhabit the land.""

This isn't about verifiable truth, your little witticisms aside.
It's about consistency, and all the honesty & fairness that come under it.

Susan
Susan Cohen - 01 Mar 2004 15:29 GMT
> > One of the arguments the Zionists use for their possession of Palestine is
> > ancestral rights.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> He also bought the land of Hebron as a burial spot for his wife.

There was also the ourchase of a threshing floor by one of Israel's King's.
But the point is that the land was conquered by the Jews - the only people
in the word who are *not* allowed to keep what we win.

> > For the record I am descended from Palestinian Jews.

Even tho' he's obviously lying about this (based on his other proven lies
that contradict this statement), I would like to point out that
"Palestinian" is what the Arabs called the Jews who were in the area,
because *they* insisted that they were *Arabs*. It wasn;t until the 60's
when they suddenly decided that it was politically expedient to pretend that
they were a separate sovereign ethnicity.

Susan
Paul Abeles - 01 Mar 2004 15:45 GMT
> > > One of the arguments the Zionists use for their possession of Palestine
> is
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> But the point is that the land was conquered by the Jews - the only people
> in the word who are *not* allowed to keep what we win.

I wish this damn bog Irish irritating shiksa would stop saying we.
Jean Paul Turcaud - 01 Mar 2004 15:00 GMT
80% of present Jaws claiming Philistine land as their own, are in fact of
Khazar descent and  that includes  Ollianoff ( Lenin ) Bronstein (
Trostsky )  , Stalin, Karl Marx & all the Jaws behind the Russian Holocaust
of one hundred Millions Orthodox Russians,  ( Called too the Russian
Revolution ) Weshaupt and Co the men behind the French Holocaust of only 10
millions French people and called the French Revolution ... Sharon of whom I
saved the cousin 's life,  and masquerading presently as Philistine King !
What 80% of the Jaws can pretend is to Huns or eventually Mongolian Heredity
but in no case to Davidic, Asmodean or Herodian descent !
That is the first point !

The second point is that the Jaws or Alien race does exist indeed , but is
created artificially at each birth of a Jaw male by a definitive tampering
with the Human genetic code by the Rabbids ! ... and this is performed on
the 1st day of the 1st puberty or clearly on the 8th day after birth of the
male Jaw  ! It is presented to the imbecile Goys ( meaning Semen of Cattle )
both Slamists and Xians as an hygienic routine aiming at cutting the
foreskin ... and the beuuuuuuuulieving Semen of Cattle beuuuulieve that
indeed since programmed to beuuuuuuuulieve Authority ( i.e. both their
respective sects Pontiffs but as well those most horrid sci000ntific
criminal liars & thieves of Oxford, the MIT, the ANU, the ULB, Caltech etc
lying till blue in the face about the most sacred Science of True Geology )

Anyway as a True Geologist this is something which I have discovered indeed
since the main quality of a True Geologist is a Universal Approach to
Knowledge, meaning in clear mastery over Agriculture, Medicine, History,
Ethnology, Physics and of course all the disciplines of the True Geology.
Parting I know where the Rabbid Jaws got that protocol from and where it was
implemented with supporting Eugnenism routines aiming at making a special
brand of Jaws able to dominate the Goys !
So let see what happens when the Foreskin is cut generating an hemorrhagic !
The Rabbids _ sometimes three of them lined up _ suck the blood as much as
they can from the child penis so as to redden both a soup and cake paste (
to be eaten later by the Jaws ) .... and what could be the aim of it all
????

... and in this I am going to reveal to you part of a big secret indeed
completely unknown by the Jaws themselves,  who perform that ritual
beuuuuuuulieving it was ordered by some tribal god !
The second pillar of the Jaws development, I will not disclose to you
though, since likewise it is completely unknown by the Jaws themselves.
So when the blood is drawn from the testiculi from the wound, we are in a
very special period happening only once in the child life and as I said :
the first puberty or when the member is turgescent and milk being generated
from the male chest. In creating that  very special hemorrhagic at that very
special point in time,  an atrophy of the Interstitial, or internal
secretion testicle,  is realised generating in counter part an hyper
development of some of the other glands like the Thyroid
( hypertrophy of the Thyroid conducting to hyperophtalmic goitre or in clear
popping eyes, never noticed it on the Jaws ? and further to mental
instability and often to Mongoloid descent ! Indeed Mongoloïds, as the
present Quacks' medicine does not know, have an atrophied Thyroid and are
born of Hyperthyroidism mother )

Hypertrophy of the Thyroid as counterpart of Interstitial destruction, and
therefore facility for memorisation  like required  in learn by heart Laws,
Lawyers,  Judges & sci000ntists ( unable though of making any synthesis )
Hypertrophy too of the Hypophyse as counterpart of Interstitial destruction
and therefore facility for speculative discourse and unending interation
specific of the present Materialistic sci0000ne &
Dialectic Materialist
Hypertrophy too of the Suprarenales as counterpart of Interstitial
destruction and therefore facility for destruction, violence and
impossibility in many case of restraint of ambition without feeling for the
destruction of the Goys concomitant

Besides the destruction  of Interstitial the terrible consequences are the
impossibility of Synthesis or reaching Universal Mind understanding, mad
tendency then at over specialisation, inability at anticipating consequences
of one's action BUT still through the mad activity generated by the
Adrenalin over secretion gives the illusion of efficiency and of positive
realisation !
' ex Dr Fraud, Dr Einstein / Frankenstein, Dr Nobel, Dr Marx etc

TO BE CONTINUED

Of course I have all the references within my extraordinary library of
thousands of Geology books !
Of course the Slamists and the Xians are unable to understand what I am
talking about ... but the Jaws might ?
Indeed if they don't understand both the Philistine Land and their other
abode of Australia will be reduced to a man-made Desert,  through the over
taxation of fresh Water reserves and the Salt invasion resulting !
The tampering with Our Creator Wondrous Work and Perfection indeed will lead
that planet to premature disparition !

HONOUR TO OUR CELTIC GOD

( sorry, I am not going to check for orthographic mistake ...a bit too long
! )

Signature

Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud
Australian Mining Pioneer
Hydro & Mining Prospector _ Senior Geologist
Discoverer & Legal Owner of Telfer; Kintyre & Nifty Mines
The Great Sandy Desert.of Australia
Discoverer of the South Atlantic Submarine Gold Placers
(  40 Millions Tons estimate )
Founder of the TRUE GEOLOGY

~~Ignorance Is The Cosmic Sin, The One Never Forgiven ! ~~

> One of the arguments the Zionists use for their possession of Palestine is
> ancestral rights.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> For the record I am descended from Palestinian Jews.
YULKA - 01 Mar 2004 15:25 GMT
Hello, Jean!
You wrote  on Mon, 1 Mar 2004 16:00:07 +0100:

Stalin was not a Jaw but married to one, that's how he was allowed to get so
close to power!

.

JPT> 80% of present Jaws claiming Philistine land as their own, are in
JPT> fact of
JPT> Khazar descent and  that includes  Ollianoff ( Lenin ) Bronstein (
JPT> Trostsky )  , Stalin, Karl Marx & all the Jaws behind the Russian
JPT> Holocaust
JPT> of one hundred Millions Orthodox Russians,  ( Called too the
JPT> Russian
JPT> Revolution ) Weshaupt and Co the men behind the French Holocaust of
JPT> only 10
JPT> millions French people and called the French Revolution ... Sharon
JPT> of whom I
JPT> saved the cousin 's life,  and masquerading presently as Philistine
JPT> King !
JPT> What 80% of the Jaws can pretend is to Huns or eventually Mongolian
JPT> Heredity
JPT> but in no case to Davidic, Asmodean or Herodian descent !
JPT> That is the first point !

JPT> The second point is that the Jaws or Alien race does exist indeed ,
JPT> but is
JPT> created artificially at each birth of a Jaw male by a definitive
JPT> tampering
JPT> with the Human genetic code by the Rabbids ! ... and this is
JPT> performed on
JPT> the 1st day of the 1st puberty or clearly on the 8th day after
JPT> birth of the
JPT> male Jaw  ! It is presented to the imbecile Goys ( meaning Semen of
JPT> Cattle )
JPT> both Slamists and Xians as an hygienic routine aiming at cutting
JPT> the
JPT> foreskin ... and the beuuuuuuuulieving Semen of Cattle beuuuulieve
JPT> that
JPT> indeed since programmed to beuuuuuuuulieve Authority ( i.e. both
JPT> their
JPT> respective sects Pontiffs but as well those most horrid
JPT> sci000ntific
JPT> criminal liars & thieves of Oxford, the MIT, the ANU, the ULB,
JPT> Caltech etc
JPT> lying till blue in the face about the most sacred Science of True
JPT> Geology )

JPT> Anyway as a True Geologist this is something which I have
JPT> discovered indeed
JPT> since the main quality of a True Geologist is a Universal Approach
JPT> to
JPT> Knowledge, meaning in clear mastery over Agriculture, Medicine,
JPT> History,
JPT> Ethnology, Physics and of course all the disciplines of the True
JPT> Geology.
JPT> Parting I know where the Rabbid Jaws got that protocol from and
JPT> where it was
JPT> implemented with supporting Eugnenism routines aiming at making a
JPT> special
JPT> brand of Jaws able to dominate the Goys !
JPT> So let see what happens when the Foreskin is cut generating an
JPT> hemorrhagic !
JPT> The Rabbids _ sometimes three of them lined up _ suck the blood as
JPT> much as
JPT> they can from the child penis so as to redden both a soup and cake
JPT> paste (
JPT> to be eaten later by the Jaws ) .... and what could be the aim of
JPT> it all
JPT> ????

JPT> ... and in this I am going to reveal to you part of a big secret
JPT> indeed
JPT> completely unknown by the Jaws themselves,  who perform that ritual
JPT> beuuuuuuulieving it was ordered by some tribal god !
JPT> The second pillar of the Jaws development, I will not disclose to
JPT> you
JPT> though, since likewise it is completely unknown by the Jaws
JPT> themselves.
JPT> So when the blood is drawn from the testiculi from the wound, we
JPT> are in a
JPT> very special period happening only once in the child life and as I
JPT> said :
JPT> the first puberty or when the member is turgescent and milk being
JPT> generated
JPT> from the male chest. In creating that  very special hemorrhagic at
JPT> that very
JPT> special point in time,  an atrophy of the Interstitial, or internal
JPT> secretion testicle,  is realised generating in counter part an
JPT> hyper
JPT> development of some of the other glands like the Thyroid
JPT> ( hypertrophy of the Thyroid conducting to hyperophtalmic goitre or
JPT> in clear
JPT> popping eyes, never noticed it on the Jaws ? and further to mental
JPT> instability and often to Mongoloid descent ! Indeed Mongoloïds, as
JPT> the
JPT> present Quacks' medicine does not know, have an atrophied Thyroid
JPT> and are
JPT> born of Hyperthyroidism mother )

JPT> Hypertrophy of the Thyroid as counterpart of Interstitial
JPT> destruction, and
JPT> therefore facility for memorisation  like required  in learn by
JPT> heart Laws,
JPT> Lawyers,  Judges & sci000ntists ( unable though of making any
JPT> synthesis )
JPT> Hypertrophy too of the Hypophyse as counterpart of Interstitial
JPT> destruction
JPT> and therefore facility for speculative discourse and unending
JPT> interation
JPT> specific of the present Materialistic sci0000ne &
JPT> Dialectic Materialist
JPT> Hypertrophy too of the Suprarenales as counterpart of Interstitial
JPT> destruction and therefore facility for destruction, violence and
JPT> impossibility in many case of restraint of ambition without feeling
JPT> for the
JPT> destruction of the Goys concomitant

JPT> Besides the destruction  of Interstitial the terrible consequences
JPT> are the
JPT> impossibility of Synthesis or reaching Universal Mind
JPT> understanding, mad
JPT> tendency then at over specialisation, inability at anticipating
JPT> consequences
JPT> of one's action BUT still through the mad activity generated by the
JPT> Adrenalin over secretion gives the illusion of efficiency and of
JPT> positive
JPT> realisation !
JPT> ' ex Dr Fraud, Dr Einstein / Frankenstein, Dr Nobel, Dr Marx etc

JPT> TO BE CONTINUED

JPT> Of course I have all the references within my extraordinary library
JPT> of
JPT> thousands of Geology books !
JPT> Of course the Slamists and the Xians are unable to understand what
JPT> I am
JPT> talking about ... but the Jaws might ?
JPT> Indeed if they don't understand both the Philistine Land and their
JPT> other
JPT> abode of Australia will be reduced to a man-made Desert,  through
JPT> the over
JPT> taxation of fresh Water reserves and the Salt invasion resulting !
JPT> The tampering with Our Creator Wondrous Work and Perfection indeed
JPT> will lead
JPT> that planet to premature disparition !

JPT> HONOUR TO OUR CELTIC GOD

JPT> ( sorry, I am not going to check for orthographic mistake ...a bit
JPT> too long
JPT> ! )

JPT> --
JPT> Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud
JPT> Australian Mining Pioneer
JPT> Hydro & Mining Prospector _ Senior Geologist
JPT> Discoverer & Legal Owner of Telfer; Kintyre & Nifty Mines
JPT> The Great Sandy Desert.of Australia
JPT> Discoverer of the South Atlantic Submarine Gold Placers
JPT>  (  40 Millions Tons estimate )
JPT> Founder of the TRUE GEOLOGY

JPT> ~~Ignorance Is The Cosmic Sin, The One Never Forgiven ! ~~

JPT> "Paul Abeles" <abc@abc.com> a écrit dans le message de
JPT> news:VyF0c.83354$Wa.18542@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> One of the arguments the Zionists use for their possession of
>> Palestine is
>> ancestral rights.

>> Now if my memory serves me correctly, weren't the Jews themselves
>> immigrants. Wasn't Abraham born in Iraq?

>> Please cut the bullshit.

>> For the record I am descended from Palestinian Jews.

With best regards, YULKA.  E-mail: jpetkov@bigpond.net.au
Jean Paul Turcaud - 01 Mar 2004 23:06 GMT
Stalin was a Jaw since his mother was one !
... and so is the present Pope Jean-Paul II, a Jaw indeed !
...Hitler was of Jaw descent since his grand father, the one who raped his
grand mother,  was none other than the Vienna Rothschild banker ! Indeed
Hitler's  grand mother was servant at the Rothschild mansion !
... but very few Austrian Xians know it ! ... and I would say very few Xians
( or Goys or Cattle Semen as defined by the Talmooood,  know it indeed )

By the way the founder of the Slamist sect Mao Merde ( not to be confused
with Mao Tseu Tung ) was a Jaw too .... a thing which the Slamists hate to
mention !
... and thanks to Mao Merde indeed, the Slamists are since that time really
in the sh.t !!!! and this why they prey by pointing their arse in the air !
Nobody reflected on that before ?

Indeed their 2nd puberty circumcision completely sterilise their possibility
of invention, creation, intellectual development and understanding of higher
arcane !
Really,  they destroy themselves generation after generation through that
endocrinal mutilation carried out at that very point in time .... but which
render them so stupid as to unable to realise how Mao Merde indeed rolled
the poor Arabs in the flour .... and neutralise indeed the whole Arab
population in relation to the Jaws and since then they have not really been
a threat !!! .... but they would indeed if they were to stop mutilating
their male children !

... a few Arabs mainly from Liban are aware that something fishy is going on
since Centuries, but are not able indeed to put their finger on it ! Of
course since they are themselves mutilated !!!

Thank you for your attention and good night ... I am indeed going to bed
soon !

Signature

Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud
Australian Mining Pioneer
Hydro & Mining Prospector _ Senior Geologist
Discoverer & Legal Owner of Telfer; Kintyre & Nifty Mines
The Great Sandy Desert.of Australia
Discoverer of the South Atlantic Submarine Gold Placers
(  40 Millions Tons estimate )
Founder of the TRUE GEOLOGY

~~Ignorance Is The Cosmic Sin, The One Never Forgiven ! ~~

snipped for bandwith sake
( I guess your address is false ? )
Tilly - 02 Mar 2004 12:52 GMT
> Hello, Jean!
> You wrote  on Mon, 1 Mar 2004 16:00:07 +0100:
>
> Stalin was not a Jaw but married to one, that's how he was allowed to
> get so close to power!

What relevance does this have to the NZ news group?
Don't post moronic rubbish like this in it.

tilly
Bright1_3@hotmail.com
Iskandar Baharuddin - 02 Mar 2004 13:38 GMT
| > Hello, Jean!
| > You wrote  on Mon, 1 Mar 2004 16:00:07 +0100:
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
| What relevance does this have to the NZ news group?
| Don't post moronic rubbish like this in it.

Right on! Nothing to do with sheep.

Izzy
Tron Furu - 01 Mar 2004 15:33 GMT
>/Hypertrophy of the Thyroid /conducting ... often to Mongoloid descent ..

> Hypertrophy of the Thyroid .... facility .....Dialectic Materialist

Lonely, these mines,

T
Qolon - 01 Mar 2004 20:42 GMT
80% of present Jaws claiming Philistine land as their own, are in fact of
Khazar descent

[snipped for context -- ignoring rest of deranged babble]

QOLON NOTE:
It seems that you aren't cognizant of Jewish religious practice and their
unique place within history.

Given historical domination of the Hebrews by the Idumeans (ie. Antipater
and Herod as ancestrally Palestinian; cf: Dead Sea Scrolls & New Testament
literature) being themselves proselytes to the Torah and aliens to the
Sabbath based, Everlasting Covenant, and the encroachment of the Roman
Sothic calendar (365.25) from 43BCE to 1752CE:--

Chronos/time keeping was afteral a religious function even for those who
pursued planetary-based Egyptian, Pythagorean & Roman circular mysticism and
that unlike the Hebrews, failed to achieve an integrated philosophical and
metaphysical theological chronological system:

354 [typical lunar year] x 3 + 30 [Intercalation] =
3 x 364 days each year [52 weeks each] =
(2 * #369 calendar matrix) [ie. 9(9²+1)/2] + 354 [typical lunar year] =

29/9/2000 (385 days)+17/9/2001 (353 days)+6/9/2002 (354 days) = 1092 days

This fatal cosmological error was only effectively overturned by successive
scientific discoveries and associated calendar reforms, as the world's
gradual realization and adoption of the validity of a heliocentric picture
of the solar system and which became known as the Copernican revolution:

# Nicolaus Copernicus (1473-1543 CE) was the one who in his magnum opus 'On
the Revolutions of the Heavenly Bodies', published in the final year of his
life, set out his theory that the Earth and the other planets orbit the Sun.

# Tycho Brahe (1546-1601 CE) made more accurate observations of the planets.
Theodore de Bry in 1582 CE depicts Tycho Brahe's philosophical usage of a
kabbalistic conception of Magic Squares as planetary mysticism and his
Perpetual Calendar of Natural Magic, the 'Calendarium Naturale Magicum
Perpetuum Profunissimam Rerum Secretissimarum Contemplationem Complectens of
Tycho'.

# Johannes Kepler (1571-1630 CE) in his focused study on the orbit of the
planet Mars, also discovered three laws of planetary motion. Thereby proving
that the planets orbit the Sun in ellipses.  Kepler's 1628 CE Calendar as
the Rudolphine Tables, (named after German Roman Emperor Rudolf II who died
in 1611CE) made a posthumous suggestion that the planets Venus and Mercury
transited the sun.

# Galilei Galileo (1564-1642 CE) was a contemporary mathematician,
astronomer and physicist to Kepler, who studied the phases of the planet
Venus, so proving that the planets orbits the Sun.

# Isaac Newton (1642-1727 CE), born a century after Copernicus died and in
the year that Galileo died, was one of the astronomers (the main others were
Kepler and Galileo) who established the truth of Copernicus's theory.

# Captain James Cook (1728-1779 CE) made a voyage of 1768-1770 CE and
scientific expedition to observe the planet Venus transiting the Sun as
astronomical event at Tahiti.  Substantiating the Copernicus claim and
granting support for the Calendar changes as adoption of the Gregorian
calendar in 1752 CE by British Act of Parliament.  After completing this
task Cook opened a sealed envelope with the Royal Navy's orders to seek out
the fabled southern continent. Using the work of early mapmakers and Dutch
explorers who had searched for the southern continent in the seventeenth
century and already mapped its northern and western shores, he claimed
Australia for Britain.

The celebration of the bi-millennium on Saturday 1 January 2000, in
deference to other Hebrew Christian tradition, may more correctly be viewed
as superstitious practice that has no standing in law.  In that the calendar
reforms, as the adoption of a Gregorian calendar being a 400-year
intercalation cycle as the elapse of 7th (ie. the Sabbath) day and the
acceptance of 1 January (ie. moved from 25 March) as the beginning of the
topical year and New Years Day, came into effect by act of Parliament within
1752CE.

According to acceptable and recent historical records which preceded the
Nicean council of 321CE (eg. on 25 February 2004 the British Museum
confirmed the find of a rare coin proving the existence of a heretofore
unknown Roman Imperial Emperor Domitianus, causing a rewrite of Roman
History). The Gallic empire is the name given to the secessionist {ie.
separate religious and political} state in the aftermath of the Roman Empire
's greatest humiliation in 260CE after the emperor Valerian (253 - 260 CE)
was captured alive by the Persians and used by Persian King Sapor as a
living footstool for mounting his horse. In that it spanned Gaul - modern
France and the Rhineland - and Britain, and survived as a separate state for
almost 15 years.

The Roman Catholic Papal Authority cannot therefore claim religious and
political continuity such as it tried to fraudulently do with Jubilee 2000
and even assert itself as Emperor (ie. the vicar of Christ on earth).

- dolf
- <http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/telos/kabbalah/patent.html#AXIOM4>
Barry OGrady - 02 Mar 2004 02:42 GMT
[snipped for context -- ignoring rest of deranged babble]

Oh! It's all gone!

-Barry
========
Web page: http://members.optusnet.com.au/~barry.og
Atheist, radio scanner, LIPD information.
Qolon - 02 Mar 2004 19:38 GMT
The references for the year of Kepler's publishing the Rudolphine tables and
the date of Roman Emperor Rudolf II death were incorrect within may last
post and have here been updated.

# Johannes Kepler (1571-1630 CE) in his focused study on the orbit of the
planet Mars, made Kabbalistic use of the Egyptian and Pythagorean (Platonic)
solids in an early attempt to articulate the relationships between planets.
Discovered three laws of planetary motion, thereby proving that the planets
orbit the Sun in ellipses. Kepler's 1627 CE Calendar as the Rudolphine
Tables, (named after German Roman Emperor Rudolf II who died in 1612CE) made
a posthumous suggestion that the planets Venus and Mercury transited the
sun.

- dolf

80% of present Jaws claiming Philistine land as their own, are in fact of
Khazar descent

[snipped for context -- ignoring rest of deranged babble]

QOLON NOTE:
It seems that you aren't cognizant of Jewish religious practice and their
unique place within history.

Given historical domination of the Hebrews by the Idumeans (ie. Antipater
and Herod as ancestrally Palestinian; cf: Dead Sea Scrolls & New Testament
literature) being themselves proselytes to the Torah and aliens to the
Sabbath based, Everlasting Covenant, and the encroachment of the Roman
Sothic calendar (365.25) from 43BCE to 1752CE:--

Chronos/time keeping was afteral a religious function even for those who
pursued planetary-based Egyptian, Pythagorean & Roman circular mysticism and
that unlike the Hebrews, failed to achieve an integrated philosophical and
metaphysical theological chronological system:

354 [typical lunar year] x 3 + 30 [Intercalation] =
3 x 364 days each year [52 weeks each] =
(2 * #369 calendar matrix) [ie. 9(9²+1)/2] + 354 [typical lunar year] =

29/9/2000 (385 days)+17/9/2001 (353 days)+6/9/2002 (354 days) = 1092 days

This fatal cosmological error was only effectively overturned by successive
scientific discoveries and associated calendar reforms, as the world's
gradual realization and adoption of the validity of a heliocentric picture
of the solar system and which became known as the Copernican revolution:

# Nicolaus Copernicus (1473-1543 CE) was the one who in his magnum opus 'On
the Revolutions of the Heavenly Bodies', published in the final year of his
life, set out his theory that the Earth and the other planets orbit the Sun.

# Tycho Brahe (1546-1601 CE) made more accurate observations of the planets.
Theodore de Bry in 1582 CE depicts Tycho Brahe's philosophical usage of a
kabbalistic conception of Magic Squares as planetary mysticism and his
Perpetual Calendar of Natural Magic, the 'Calendarium Naturale Magicum
Perpetuum Profunissimam Rerum Secretissimarum Contemplationem Complectens of
Tycho'.

# Johannes Kepler (1571-1630 CE) in his focused study on the orbit of the
planet Mars, made Kabbalistic use of the Egyptian and Pythagorean (Platonic)
solids in an early attempt to articulate the relationships between planets.
Discovered three laws of planetary motion, thereby proving that the planets
orbit the Sun in ellipses. Kepler's 1627 CE Calendar as the Rudolphine
Tables, (named after German Roman Emperor Rudolf II who died in 1612CE) made
a posthumous suggestion that the planets Venus and Mercury transited the
sun.

# Galilei Galileo (1564-1642 CE) was a contemporary mathematician,
astronomer and physicist to Kepler, who studied the phases of the planet
Venus, so proving that the planets orbits the Sun.

# Isaac Newton (1642-1727 CE), born a century after Copernicus died and in
the year that Galileo died, was one of the astronomers (the main others were
Kepler and Galileo) who established the truth of Copernicus's theory.

# Captain James Cook (1728-1779 CE) made a voyage of 1768-1770 CE and
scientific expedition to observe the planet Venus transiting the Sun as
astronomical event at Tahiti.  Substantiating the Copernicus claim and
granting support for the Calendar changes as adoption of the Gregorian
calendar in 1752 CE by British Act of Parliament.  After completing this
task Cook opened a sealed envelope with the Royal Navy's orders to seek out
the fabled southern continent. Using the work of early mapmakers and Dutch
explorers who had searched for the southern continent in the seventeenth
century and already mapped its northern and western shores, he claimed
Australia for Britain.

The celebration of the bi-millennium on Saturday 1 January 2000, in
deference to other Hebrew Christian tradition, may more correctly be viewed
as superstitious practice that has no standing in law.  In that the calendar
reforms, as the adoption of a Gregorian calendar being a 400-year
intercalation cycle as the elapse of 7th (ie. the Sabbath) day and the
acceptance of 1 January (ie. moved from 25 March) as the beginning of the
topical year and New Years Day, came into effect by act of Parliament within
1752CE.

According to acceptable and recent historical records which preceded the
Nicean council of 321CE (eg. on 25 February 2004 the British Museum
confirmed the find of a rare coin proving the existence of a heretofore
unknown Roman Imperial Emperor Domitianus, causing a rewrite of Roman
History). The Gallic empire is the name given to the secessionist {ie.
separate religious and political} state in the aftermath of the Roman Empire
's greatest humiliation in 260CE after the emperor Valerian (253 - 260 CE)
was captured alive by the Persians and used by Persian King Sapor as a
living footstool for mounting his horse. In that it spanned Gaul - modern
France and the Rhineland - and Britain, and survived as a separate state for
almost 15 years.

The Roman Catholic Papal Authority cannot therefore claim religious and
political continuity such as it tried to fraudulently do with Jubilee 2000
and even assert itself as Emperor (ie. the vicar of Christ on earth).

- dolf
- <http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/telos/kabbalah/patent.html#AXIOM4>
Qolon - 03 Mar 2004 08:06 GMT
Seems no-one has any quibbles about date errors.  The Nicean Council, where
the church's Trinity dogma was promulgated, was held in 325CE and not 321CE.

However, given the reprussions on now insubstantial claims of Christian
faith, I should also make a comment on the notion of 'Repentance' in
relation to Churchianity as a lifestyle choice which heretofore (as is the
common practice of Sunday sacred, hymeneal Christianity) has assumed a state
of contrived values upon the moral law, comfort within community, and
unjustifed haughty piety.

That it is in fact an abdication of the value of being-ousia, in the
adoption of the Instutional contrived moral ethic, leading a person further
down the path as irreversible aberation of soul: "Woe to him who says to his
father, 'What are you begetting?' Or to the woman, 'What have you
broughtforth?'" [Isaiah 45:10]

- dolf
- <http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/telos/kabbalah/vkabbalah.html>

"Qolon" <telos@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:ifN0c.83744$Wa.4329@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
80% of present Jaws claiming Philistine land as their own, are in fact of
Khazar descent

[snipped for context -- ignoring rest of deranged babble]

QOLON NOTE:
It seems that you aren't cognizant of Jewish religious practice and their
unique place within history.

Given historical domination of the Hebrews by the Idumeans (ie. Antipater
and Herod as ancestrally Palestinian; cf: Dead Sea Scrolls & New Testament
literature) being themselves proselytes to the Torah and aliens to the
Sabbath based, Everlasting Covenant, and the encroachment of the Roman
Sothic calendar (365.25) from 43BCE to 1752CE:--

Chronos/time keeping was afteral a religious function even for those who
pursued planetary-based Egyptian, Pythagorean & Roman circular mysticism and
that unlike the Hebrews, failed to achieve an integrated philosophical and
metaphysical theological chronological system:

354 [typical lunar year] x 3 + 30 [Intercalation] =
3 x 364 days each year [52 weeks each] =
(2 * #369 calendar matrix) [ie. 9(9²+1)/2] + 354 [typical lunar year] =

29/9/2000 (385 days)+17/9/2001 (353 days)+6/9/2002 (354 days) = 1092 days

This fatal cosmological error was only effectively overturned by successive
scientific discoveries and associated calendar reforms, as the world's
gradual realization and adoption of the validity of a heliocentric picture
of the solar system and which became known as the Copernican revolution:

# Nicolaus Copernicus (1473-1543 CE) was the one who in his magnum opus 'On
the Revolutions of the Heavenly Bodies', published in the final year of his
life, set out his theory that the Earth and the other planets orbit the Sun.

# Tycho Brahe (1546-1601 CE) made more accurate observations of the planets.
Theodore de Bry in 1582 CE depicts Tycho Brahe's philosophical usage of a
Kabbalistic conception of Magic Squares as planetary mysticism and his
Perpetual Calendar of Natural Magic, the 'Calendarium Naturale Magicum
Perpetuum Profunissimam Rerum Secretissimarum Contemplationem Complectens of
Tycho'.

# Johannes Kepler (1571-1630 CE) in his focused study on the orbit of the
planet Mars, made Kabbalistic use of the Egyptian and Pythagorean (Platonic)
solids in an early attempt to articulate the relationships between planets.
Discovered three laws of planetary motion, thereby proving that the planets
orbit the Sun in ellipses. Kepler's 1627 CE Calendar as the Rudolphine
Tables, (named after German Roman Emperor Rudolf II who died in 1612CE) made
a posthumous suggestion that the planets Venus and Mercury transited the
sun.

# Galilei Galileo (1564-1642 CE) was a contemporary mathematician,
astronomer and physicist to Kepler, who studied the phases of the planet
Venus, so proving that the planets orbits the Sun.

# Isaac Newton (1642-1727 CE), born a century after Copernicus died and in
the year that Galileo died, was one of the astronomers (the main others were
Kepler and Galileo) who established the truth of Copernicus's theory.

# Captain James Cook (1728-1779 CE) made a voyage of 1768-1770 CE and
scientific expedition to observe the planet Venus transiting the Sun as
astronomical event at Tahiti.  Substantiating the Copernicus claim and
granting support for the Calendar changes as adoption of the Gregorian
calendar in 1752 CE by British Act of Parliament.  After completing this
task Cook opened a sealed envelope with the Royal Navy's orders to seek out
the fabled southern continent. Using the work of early mapmakers and Dutch
explorers who had searched for the southern continent in the seventeenth
century and already mapped its northern and western shores, he claimed
Australia for Britain.

The celebration of the bi-millennium on Saturday 1 January 2000, in
deference to other Hebrew Christian tradition, may more correctly be viewed
as superstitious practice that has no standing in law.  In that the calendar
reforms, as the adoption of a Gregorian calendar being a 400-year
intercalation cycle as the elapse of 7th (ie. the Sabbath) day and the
acceptance of 1 January (ie. moved from 25 March) as the beginning of the
topical year and New Years Day, came into effect by act of Parliament within
1752CE.

According to acceptable and recent historical records which preceded the
Nicean council of circa 325CE (eg. on 25 February 2004 the British Museum
confirmed the find of a rare coin proving the existence of a heretofore
unknown Roman Imperial Emperor Domitianus, causing a rewrite of Roman
History). The Gallic empire is the name given to the secessionist {ie.
separate religious and political} state in the aftermath of the Roman Empire
's greatest humiliation in 260CE after the emperor Valerian (253 - 260 CE)
was captured alive by the Persians and used by Persian King Sapor as a
living footstool for mounting his horse. In that it spanned Gaul - modern
France and the Rhineland - and Britain, and survived as a separate state for
almost 15 years.

The Roman Catholic Papal Authority cannot therefore claim religious and
political continuity such as it tried to fraudulently do with Jubilee 2000
and even assert itself as Emperor (ie. the vicar of Christ on earth).

- dolf
- <http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/telos/kabbalah/patent.html#AXIOM4>
Deborah Sharavi - 01 Mar 2004 22:31 GMT
>80% of present Jaws claiming Philistine land as their own,

Jaws claims the southern Israeli littoral? Scary!

>are in fact of
>Khazar descent and  that includes  Ollianoff ( Lenin ) Bronstein (
>Trostsky ), Stalin,

When did Lenin and Trotsky and Stalin claim Gaza?

>What 80% of the Jaws can pretend is to Huns or eventually Mongolian Heredity
>but in no case to Davidic, Asmodean or Herodian descent !
>That is the first point !

Second point: Jaws are not claiming Davidic, "Asmodean" or Herodian
descent, just large box office receipts.

>The second point is that the Jaws or Alien race does exist indeed , but is
>created artificially at each birth of a Jaw male by a definitive tampering
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>criminal liars & thieves of Oxford, the MIT, the ANU, the ULB, Caltech etc
>lying till blue in the face about the most sacred Science of True Geology )

WOW! What is this guy smoking, and where can I get some?

Deborah
JGB - 02 Mar 2004 00:28 GMT
> 80% of present Jaws claiming Philistine land as their own, are in fact of
> Khazar descent <

Some yes, but provide evidence that MOST are of Khazar descent. DNA
analysis does not agree with your proposition. BTW, forty percent of
Israelis came from Arab, Muslim and other non-European parts of the world.

and  that includes  Ollianoff ( Lenin ) Bronstein (
> Trostsky )  , Stalin, Karl Marx & all the Jaws behind the Russian Holocaust
> of one hundred Millions Orthodox Russians,  ( Called too the Russian
[quoted text clipped - 94 lines]
> >
> > For the record I am descended from Palestinian Jews.
Jean Paul Turcaud - 02 Mar 2004 10:07 GMT
Dear Sir,

The main point in all this can be summarized though 4 photos I have from a
very rare book which is at the present time in my bank vault indeed  rue du
Palais at La Rochelle
And in this I am answering both your good self as well that most unaware
gentleman known as Quolon.
The first photo is the one of a Caucasian race of typical Celt of 20 years
of age.
The last one is the one of a Negro of 60 years of age ... with all the
typical traits of Negros like thick nose, lips; forehead, curly hair, thick
tongue and of course the enlarged hands and feet !
and this is the same man indeed !
( In between photos show the evolution of the endocrinal disorder, the
nature of which I will not reveal here )

The point is that Endocrinal manipululation conducting to immediate & most
awful genetic consequences, is what both the Jaws and Slamists 1st & 2nd
puberty tempering with Our Almighty Celtic God Perfect Work really IS !
THERE IS NO ARAB SLAMISTS OR JAWS .... or Chineses or Negros for that matter
_ infirming therein the pretensions of those Books of Evil ( the Toroh /
Talmoood , Konar and Biball ) , but only tampering with the Endocrinal
system of the male with the Jaws ( Egyptian High Priest & Traitor Moshe)   &
Slamists ( Mao Merde ) , with both the male & female in the case of the
Negroes and previously with the Chinese with only with the female.
Incidentally this is the greatest of Chineses since Emperor FOU-HI ( the
white Chinese Emperor Tsien-sse or Son of Heaven,  born of of virgin
Hoa-sse ) and the great Unifier of China Thsin-Chi-Hoang-Ti or Hoang-ti for
short, NAMELY MAO TSEU TUNG that the most cruel mutilation of young baby
female was stopped ... and that China took the path towards becoming the
greatest country in the World

HONOUR TO OUR CELTIC GOD

Signature

Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud
Australian Mining Pioneer
Hydro & Mining Prospector _ Senior Geologist
Discoverer & Legal Owner of Telfer; Kintyre & Nifty Mines
The Great Sandy Desert.of Australia
Discoverer of the South Atlantic Submarine Gold Placers
(  40 Millions Tons estimate )
Founder of the TRUE GEOLOGY

~~Ignorance Is The Cosmic Sin, The One Never Forgiven ! ~~

> > 80% of present Jaws claiming Philistine land as their own, are in fact of
> > Khazar descent <
>
> Some yes, but provide evidence that MOST are of Khazar descent. DNA
> analysis does not agree with your proposition. BTW, forty percent of
> Israelis came from Arab, Muslim and other non-European parts of the world.

snipped for bandwith sake
JGB - 01 Mar 2004 15:41 GMT
> One of the arguments the Zionists use for their possession of Palestine is
> ancestral rights.<

Mostly, but not completely. THe LEague of Nations did recognize them
and stated in 1922 San Remo Mandate document:

"Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical
connexion of the
Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting
their
national home in that country; and
Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have selected His Britannic
Majesty as the
Mandatory for Palestine; and
Whereas the mandate in respect of Palestine has been formulated in the
following  terms and submitted to the Council of the League for
approval; and
Whereas His Britannic Majesty has accepted the mandate in respect of
Palestine
and undertaken to exercise it on behalf of the League of Nations in
conformity
with the following provisions; and
Whereas by the aforementioned Article 22 (paragraph 8), it is provided
that the
degree of authority, control or administration to be exercised by the
Mandatory, not having been previously agreed upon by the Members of
the League, shall he explicitly defined by the Council of the League
of Nations;
Confirming the said Mandate, defines its terms as follows:

ARTICLE 1.
The Mandatory shall have full powers of legislation and of
administration, save
as they may be limited by the terms of this mandate.

ARTICLE 2.
The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such
political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the
establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the
preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also
for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants
of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion.

ARTICLE 3.
The Mandatory shall, so far as circumstances permit, encourage local
autonomy.

ARTICLE 4.
An appropriate Jewish agency shall be recognized as a public body for
the
purpose of advising and cooperating with the Administration of
Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the
establishment of the Jewish national home and the interests of the
Jewish population in Palestine, and, subject always to the control of
the Administration, to assist and take part in the development of the
country.
The Zionist Organization, so long as its organization and constitution
are in
the opinion of the Mandatory appropriate, shall he recognized as such
agency. It shall take steps in consultation with His Britannic
Majesty's Government to
secure the cooperation of all Jews who are willing to assist in the
establishment of the Jewish national home.

ARTICLE 5.
The Mandatory shall be responsible for seeing that no Palestine
territory shall
be ceded or leased to, or in any way placed under the control of, the
Government of any foreign Power.

ARTICLE 6.
The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and
position of
other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate
Jewish
immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in
co-operation with
the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews
on the
land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public
purposes."

ARTICLE 7.
The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a
nationality
law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to
facilitate
the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their
permanent
residence in Palestine.

> Now if my memory serves me correctly, weren't the Jews themselves
> immigrants. Wasn't Abraham born in Iraq?
> Please cut the bullshit.
> For the record I am descended from Palestinian Jews.
Paul Abeles - 01 Mar 2004 16:10 GMT
> > One of the arguments the Zionists use for their possession of Palestine is
> > ancestral rights.<
[quoted text clipped - 86 lines]
> permanent
> residence in Palestine.

Kindly note it said; Palestinian citizenship. Thank you.
JGB - 02 Mar 2004 00:15 GMT
> > "Paul Abeles" <abc@abc.com> wrote in message
>  news:<VyF0c.83354$Wa.18542@news-server.bigpond.net.au>...
[quoted text clipped - 91 lines]
>
> Kindly note it said; Palestinian citizenship. Thank you.<

You're just misinterpreting the meaning of the time. There was no Jewish
state yet, just a British Administration, but this last article say
that the administration would give Jews who settled in Palestine
citizenship in Mandatory Palestine, which was now the recognized Jewish
National Home. Note, there is no reference to an Arab national home
in Palestine, only a Jewish one. In fact, in the interwar years, before
WWII "Palestinian" was a reference to Jews. Arabs at that did not call
themselves Palestinians. The Arabs who fled or were expelled from the
country after 1948 came commandeer that term for themselves after there
was a Jewish state.
Deborah Sharavi - 01 Mar 2004 22:27 GMT
>One of the arguments the Zionists use for their possession of Palestine is
>ancestral rights.

"Ancestral rights" was never used as justification for any "possession
of Palestine".

Deborah
infidel - 02 Mar 2004 19:34 GMT
| One of the arguments the Zionists use for their possession of Palestine is
| ancestral rights.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
|
| For the record I am descended from Palestinian Jews.

As are all Jews!
FA
I.
Paul Abeles - 02 Mar 2004 19:55 GMT
> | One of the arguments the Zionists use for their possession of Palestine is
> | ancestral rights.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>  As are all Jews!
> FA

Not true, what about converts?
infidel - 02 Mar 2004 20:21 GMT
| > | One of the arguments the Zionists use for their possession of Palestine
| is
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
|
| Not true, what about converts?

Your confusing the ethnic original, *palestinian jew*, with the *religious jew*
FA
I.
William Black - 02 Mar 2004 21:38 GMT
> Your confusing the ethnic original, *palestinian jew*, with the *religious jew*

The bells the sane readers can hear ringing are some sort of alarm.

Judaism is just another religion,  no ethnic content required.

Signature

William Black
------------------
Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords
is no basis for a system of government

infidel - 02 Mar 2004 22:35 GMT
| > Your confusing the ethnic original, *palestinian jew*, with the *religious
| jew*
|
| The bells the sane readers can hear ringing are some sort of alarm.
|
| Judaism is just another religion,  no ethnic content required.

Oh yeah!
How many of these were religious jews?
http://www.jinfo.org/

As for the Muslims:
http://www.masada2000.org/nobel.html

Maybe the Jews are God's chosen race!

Enjoy
FA
I
Susan Cohen - 03 Mar 2004 00:35 GMT
> | > Your confusing the ethnic original, *palestinian jew*, with the *religious
> | jew*
> |
> | The bells the sane readers can hear ringing are some sort of alarm.
> |
> | Judaism is just another religion,  no ethnic content required.

Not that William Black or any other non-Jew gets to decide.

> Oh yeah!
> How many of these were religious jews?
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Maybe the Jews are God's chosen race!

No, not race.
If it were a race, you could get it from your dad.

Susan
infidel - 03 Mar 2004 01:16 GMT
| > | > Your confusing the ethnic original, *palestinian jew*, with the
| *religious
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
| No, not race.
| If it were a race, you could get it from your dad.

God's chosen people?
FA
I.
Susan Cohen - 03 Mar 2004 04:20 GMT
> | > Maybe the Jews are God's chosen race!
> |
> | No, not race.
> | If it were a race, you could get it from your dad.
>
> God's chosen people?

Which is not the same thing.

Susan
infidel - 03 Mar 2004 08:22 GMT
| > | > Maybe the Jews are God's chosen race!
| > |
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
|
| Which is not the same thing.

Are they God's chosen people?
FA
I.
Susan Cohen - 04 Mar 2004 06:11 GMT
> | > | > Maybe the Jews are God's chosen race!
> | > |
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Are they God's chosen people?

Yes.
Now, do you know what "chosen" mean in this instance?

Susan
infidel - 04 Mar 2004 20:04 GMT
| > | > | > Maybe the Jews are God's chosen race!
| > | > |
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
| Yes.
| Now, do you know what "chosen" mean in this instance?

*Yes*
Chosen for His blessings!
Examples again!
http://www.jinfo.org/
http://www.masada2000.org/nobel.html
FA
I.
not_over_the_hill - 03 Mar 2004 17:13 GMT
>> | > Maybe the Jews are God's chosen race!
>> |
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>Which is not the same thing.

Don't worry about susie-- she's smarter than the
average shitske.

Eventually she will follow the same path as Dr. Laura
and admit her mistake.
not_over_the_hill - 04 Mar 2004 14:05 GMT
>> | > Maybe the Jews are God's chosen race!
>> |
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>Which is not the same thing.

Don't worry about susie-- she's smarter than the
average shitske.

Eventually she will follow the same path as Dr. Laura
and admit her mistake.
Daniel Bernard - 04 Mar 2004 16:20 GMT
>>> | > Maybe the Jews are God's chosen race!
>>> |
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>Eventually she will follow the same path as Dr. Laura
>and admit her mistake.

Obviously you do not know Susie that well if you credit her with even
a smidgeon of intelligence.
--
Why should the world be in danger of World War III because of those
people?
not_over_the_hill - 04 Mar 2004 16:42 GMT
>>>> | > Maybe the Jews are God's chosen race!
>>>> |
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>Obviously you do not know Susie that well if you credit her with even
>a smidgeon of intelligence.

She ain't stupid.   Just as DrLaura finally "got it", so will Susie.
Daniel Bernard - 04 Mar 2004 16:53 GMT
> >>>> | > Maybe the Jews are God's chosen race!
> >>>> |
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>
> She ain't stupid.   Just as DrLaura finally "got it", so will Susie.

She isn't stupid? Well blow me down and beat me with a red hot jaffle iron
but she does a very passable impression of a single cell being.

Lets agree to differ on this because we obviously have differing standards
as to what constitutes intelligence.
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with regards.

DB

Heinrich - 04 Mar 2004 18:18 GMT
> > >>>> | > Maybe the Jews are God's chosen race!
> > >>>> |
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>
> DB
well said. it must be clear to you why that guy never will get over the
hill.
Paul Abeles - 04 Mar 2004 19:56 GMT
> >> | > Maybe the Jews are God's chosen race!
> >> |
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> Don't worry about susie-- she's smarter than the
> average shitske.

Do you know what a shiksa is?
infidel - 04 Mar 2004 20:08 GMT
| > >> | > Maybe the Jews are God's chosen race!
| > >> |
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|
| Do you know what a shiksa is?

Do you know who Peter Abeles is?
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Paul Abeles - 04 Mar 2004 20:43 GMT
> | > >> | > Maybe the Jews are God's chosen race!
> | > >> |
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> Do you know who Peter Abeles is?
> FA

Sure do. Another dead Jew, just like Jesus. Sir Peter to you by the way. I
was there when he won his knighthood from Askin in a poker game.
infidel - 05 Mar 2004 01:57 GMT
| > | > >> | > Maybe the Jews are God's chosen race!
| > | > >> |
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| Sure do. Another dead Jew, just like Jesus. Sir Peter to you by the way. I
| was there when he won his knighthood from Askin in a poker game.

Peter Abeles to me just as Sir Robert Menzies is Bob Menzies to me!
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Susan Cohen - 05 Mar 2004 06:53 GMT
> | > | > Don't worry about susie-- she's smarter than the
> | > | > average shitske.

I'm certainly smarter than the loser who keeps insisting on this double lie.
But it *is* nice to know that, like all bigots, his only source for "facts"
is other bigots.

> | > | Do you know what a shiksa is?

That's not what he said, of course, tho it is what he wants people to think
he said.

> | > Do you know who Peter Abeles is?
> | > FA
> |
> | Sure do. Another dead Jew, just like Jesus. Sir Peter to you by the way. I
> | was there when he won his knighthood from Askin in a poker game.

Because, of course, it works that way. Not.
At least he admits to not really being "Paul Abeles".
Then again, it's not like he admitted it by posting as "Abe Shanahan" &
"Alex Newman."

> Peter Abeles to me just as Sir Robert Menzies is Bob Menzies to me!
> FA
> I.
infidel - 05 Mar 2004 02:24 GMT
| > | > >> | > Maybe the Jews are God's chosen race!
| > | > >> |
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| Sure do. Another dead Jew, just like Jesus. Sir Peter to you by the way. I
| was there when he won his knighthood from Askin in a poker game.

So Peter Abeles obtained his knighthood corruptly!
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Paul Abeles - 05 Mar 2004 06:39 GMT
> | > | > >> | > Maybe the Jews are God's chosen race!
> | > | > >> |
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> So Peter Abeles obtained his knighthood corruptly!
> FA

 Sure did, as do many "knights". Askin was notorious for selling
knighthoods. And good luck to him. Why not make a buck off pomposity.
infidel - 05 Mar 2004 07:20 GMT
| > | > | "not_over_the_hill" <watch_the_moneyNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in
| message
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|   Sure did, as do many "knights". Askin was notorious for selling
| knighthoods. And good luck to him. Why not make a buck off pomposity.

So f.cking Peter Abeles was not someone to be admired?
f.cking as corrupt as Askin!
Abeles!
A role model?
A virtuous man?
Or just scum!
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Paul Abeles - 05 Mar 2004 14:19 GMT
> | > | > | "not_over_the_hill" <watch_the_moneyNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in
> | message
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> Or just scum!
> FA

Just a normal multi-millionaire. Very rarely are they virtuous.
infidel - 05 Mar 2004 17:01 GMT
| > | > | > | "not_over_the_hill" <watch_the_moneyNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in
| > | message
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|
| Just a normal multi-millionaire. Very rarely are they virtuous.

Presumably Peter Abeles was your dad.
Do you take after him?
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Susan Cohen - 05 Mar 2004 17:33 GMT
> | > | I
> | > | > | was there when he won his knighthood from Askin in a poker game.
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> Presumably Peter Abeles was your dad.
> Do you take after him?

Oh, this ought to be good....

Susan
infidel - 05 Mar 2004 18:02 GMT
| > | > | I
| > | > | > | was there when he won his knighthood from Askin in a poker game.
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|
| Oh, this ought to be good....

Abeles is the only poster in the last maybe 2 years I have killfiled.
When I rebuilt my computer I forgot to maintain his status.
Anyway have a look at my and Abeles posts.
It is good as you say.
Maybe a "new post"?
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infidel - 05 Mar 2004 18:50 GMT
| | > | > | I
| | > | > | > | was there when he won his knighthood from Askin in a poker game.
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| It is good as you say.
| Maybe a "new post"?

Try these links
Remember Paul Abeles claims to have witnessed the card game for a Royal Flush.
A knighthood!
http://www.crikey.com.au/media/2002/12/26-defolist.html
http://tinyurl.com/yuxwj
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Paul Abeles - 05 Mar 2004 20:47 GMT
> | > | > | > | "not_over_the_hill" <watch_the_moneyNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in
> | > | message
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> | > | > | > | >
> | > | > | > | > >> | "infidel" <someone@nowhere.con> wrote in message

news:I_71c.84122$Wa.69729@news-server.bigpond.net.au...

> | > | > | > | > >> | > Maybe the Jews are God's chosen race!
> | > | > | > | > >> |
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> Do you take after him?
> FA

Not my dad. I use a pseudonym.
infidel - 05 Mar 2004 23:27 GMT
| in
| > | > | message
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|
| Not my dad. I use a pseudonym.

You claim you were there when Abeles "won" his knighthood from Askin.
You got tetchy when I refused to address Abeles as "sir".
Methinks you have some answering to do.
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Paul Abeles - 06 Mar 2004 12:16 GMT
> | in
> | > | > | message
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> Methinks you have some answering to do.
> FA

 Methinks you are a wrong.
infidel - 07 Mar 2004 05:54 GMT
| > | > | > | > | > | "not_over_the_hill" <watch_the_moneyNOSPAM@yahoo.com>
| wrote
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|
|   Methinks you are a wrong.

Why?
You claim to have been with Abeles when he organised a knighthood with Askin!
Why?
You now claim not to be 'Paul Abeles"; it's just a pseudonym you say
Why?
If your claims of being there when the knighthood deal was done and they are false then
you appear to be a liar!
For those interested on the Abeles story.
http://www.crikey.com.au/media/2002/12/26-defolist.html
http://www.vision.net.au/%7Eapaterson/politics/4cnrs_abeles.htm
http://www.cpa.org.au/garchive/961edit.htm
Mega more on google!
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Paul Abeles - 07 Mar 2004 08:28 GMT
> | > | > | > | > | > "Paul Abeles" <abc@abc.com> wrote in message

news:ARL1c.87082$Wa.61110@news-server.bigpond.net.au...

> | > | > | > | > | > | "not_over_the_hill" <watch_the_moneyNOSPAM@yahoo.com>
> | wrote
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> | > | > | > | > | > | > >> "Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in
> | message

news:CL91c.13130$rW6.2264@nwrddc03.gnilink.net...

> | > | > | > | > | > | > >> | "infidel" <someone@nowhere.con> wrote in message
> | > | > | > | > | > | > >> |
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> you appear to be a liar!
> For those interested on the Abeles story.

Your assertion has no logic as is the case in most of your assertions.

Actually there were 6 people playing poker that day if my memory serves me
correctly plus various attendants and bodyguards.  It was 30 odd years ago
and the game was at the Abeles residence in Vaucluse.

And I'm no relation of Sir Peter Abeles and never claimed to be.
infidel - 07 Mar 2004 17:33 GMT
| > | > | > | > | > | > "Paul Abeles" <abc@abc.com> wrote in message
| > | > | > | > | > | >
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|
| And I'm no relation of Sir Peter Abeles and never claimed to be.

So, if your memory serves you correctly, did Abeles jump up and proclaim to all and
sundry:
"I've won a Royal Honour, a Knighthood"?
Anyway why did you associate with those as corrupt as Abeles and Askin?
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Paul Abeles - 07 Mar 2004 23:25 GMT
> | > | > | > | > | > "Paul Abeles" <abc@abc.com> wrote in message

news:3yM1c.87102$Wa.48768@news-server.bigpond.net.au...

> | > | > | > | > | > | "infidel" <someone@nowhere.con> wrote in message

news:41M1c.87091$Wa.54081@news-server.bigpond.net.au...

> | > | > | > | > | > | > "Paul Abeles" <abc@abc.com> wrote in message
> | > | > | > | > | > | >
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> | > | > | in
> | > | > | > | > | message

news:2tde4018d8nha65l7j322qtjjevq8amgoo@4ax.com...
> | > | > | > | > | > | > | > On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 04:20:11 GMT, "Susan Cohen"
> | > | > | > | > | <flaviaR@verizon.net>
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> sundry:
> "I've won a Royal Honour, a Knighthood"?

Dont be silly.

> Anyway why did you associate with those as corrupt as Abeles and Askin?
> FA

Why does anyone associate with powerful people? Money of course. I was being
paid to be there. And the role I wont disclose.
not_over_the_hill - 05 Mar 2004 15:23 GMT
>> >> | > Maybe the Jews are God's chosen race!
>> >> |
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>
>Do you know what a shiksa is?

A gentile who can't get a date with another gentile?
Paul Abeles - 05 Mar 2004 20:50 GMT
> >> >> | > Maybe the Jews are God's chosen race!
> >> >> |
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>
> A gentile who can't get a date with another gentile?

No its a derogatory term for a gentile woman who dates a Jew.
not_over_the_hill - 05 Mar 2004 23:50 GMT
>> >> >> | > Maybe the Jews are God's chosen race!
>> >> >> |
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>
>No its a derogatory term for a gentile woman who dates a Jew.

That's what I said.
Sheldon Liberman - 05 Mar 2004 21:14 GMT
>>>>>| > Maybe the Jews are God's chosen race!
>>>>>|
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>
> A gentile who can't get a date with another gentile?

Only if female. If male, he'd be you.
D. Spencer Hines - 05 Mar 2004 14:41 GMT
A SHIKSA ALMOST always seems to be only a GENTILE female ---- EXCEPT, as
occasionally used by Orthodox Jews in referring to a Jewish woman who is
not Orthodox, observant, pious, does not keep a kosher household, et
cetera.

Whereas a SHAYGETS, such as Gans, can be either a Jew or a Gentile male.

How Come?

Sholem Aleichem.

DSH
William Black - 03 Mar 2004 17:59 GMT
> Not that William Black or any other non-Jew gets to decide.

What makes you think I'm not Jewish?

I mean,  Hines and Tiggy went to some lengths to prove I am a few months
ago.

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William Black - 03 Mar 2004 18:01 GMT
> | > Your confusing the ethnic original, *palestinian jew*, with the *religious
> | jew*
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> How many of these were religious jews?
> http://www.jinfo.org/

Well it depends on what you call 'religious Jews'.

Is it someone who wanders about in the long black overcoat and silly hat,
or is it someone who pays their sub and turns up at the synagogue once a
year.

In reality Hitler and friends set the standard everybody now follows.

Any one grandparent or by conversion.

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D. Spencer Hines - 03 Mar 2004 10:02 GMT
?????

So John Forbes Kerry is Jewish?

Two of his four grandparents were Jewish ---- Fritz Kohn and Ida Lowe --
who emigrated from Austria and sailed for America from Genoa, Italy in
1905.

Sholem Aleichem.

Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum.

D. Spencer Hines

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Vires et Honor

| In reality Hitler and friends set the standard everybody now follows.
|
| Any one grandparent or by conversion.
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| William Black
William Black - 03 Mar 2004 20:53 GMT
> ?????
>
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> who emigrated from Austria and sailed for America from Genoa, Italy in
> 1905.

So he's entitled to entry to the State of Israel as a migrant.

Who cares?

I doubt anyone with an IQ over room temperature does.

Certainly no one here seemed to care that much when Howard was elected
leader of the Tory party.

It's about time people in the USA grew up where religion is concerned.

It's a matter of personal conscience and has very little to do with
politics.

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The Revd Terence Fformby-Smythe - 04 Mar 2004 06:45 GMT
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