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FF - 03 Mar 2004 20:46 GMT
As regards the world of popular culture, music and the arts ....
which decade would you have most liked to live in?

I'll start the ball rolling and say the 1950's. Music was full of joi de vivre (well,
rock and roll) and people like me (I mean women) got to wear elegant clothes, eye
liner, nice shoes and proper hairdoes. Oh... and swan around in sports cars:-)

Liz
nightjar - 04 Mar 2004 00:19 GMT
> As regards the world of popular culture, music and the arts ....
> which decade would you have most liked to live in?
>
> I'll start the ball rolling and say the 1950's. Music was full of joi de vivre (well,
> rock and roll) and people like me (I mean women) got to wear elegant clothes, eye
> liner, nice shoes and proper hairdoes. Oh... and swan around in sports cars:-)

ISTR I did live in the 1950s. However, I recall it as fairly drab, when
compared to the 1960s. I've still got a couple of pop-art and psychedelic
ties around somewhere, as well as some party gear bought in Carnaby Street
when the fashion shops were there because it had cheap rents.

Colin Bignell
FF - 05 Mar 2004 22:07 GMT
> > As regards the world of popular culture, music and the arts ....
> > which decade would you have most liked to live in?
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> ISTR I did live in the 1950s. However, I recall it as fairly drab, when
> compared to the 1960s.

Drab, in parts certainly. But there was still a complexity to society
that we've all but lost these days.

>I've still got a couple of pop-art and psychedelic
> ties around somewhere, as well as some party gear bought in Carnaby Street
> when the fashion shops were there because it had cheap rents.

Wow! I think we need to see some photos, don't you?:-)
(BTW ?:-) is a smiley with a quiff!)

Liz
nightjar - 07 Mar 2004 15:56 GMT
...
> >I've still got a couple of pop-art and psychedelic
> > ties around somewhere, as well as some party gear bought in Carnaby Street
> > when the fashion shops were there because it had cheap rents.
>
> Wow! I think we need to see some photos, don't you?:-)

If I knew which unmarked box they were in, I would oblige. However, as I no
longer can wear anything with a 28" waist, nor anything for a 42"-44" chest,
I wouldn't be able to model them.

Colin Bignell
Exit - 04 Mar 2004 01:12 GMT
> As regards the world of popular culture, music and the arts ....
> which decade would you have most liked to live in?
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Liz

More likely you get to do as you are told and stay in the kitchen. . . . .

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FF - 05 Mar 2004 22:10 GMT
> > As regards the world of popular culture, music and the arts ....
> > which decade would you have most liked to live in?
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> More likely you get to do as you are told and stay in the kitchen. . . . .

Oh my! It's Sid the Sexist again. I thought I'd killfiled you.
Now, I'll say it slowly .... this is a "lets pretend" game. If I'm
pretending to be in the 1950's I'm going to be Joan Collins, not your
mum. ok? got it?

Liz
Exit - 06 Mar 2004 00:18 GMT
>>> As regards the world of popular culture, music and the arts ....
>>> which decade would you have most liked to live in?
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> Liz

Ignoring your fantasies, what I said stands. You are more likely to be in
the kitchen in the 1950's than playing Joan Collins, but I'm sure it was
very nice for the 1% who weren't.

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FF - 07 Mar 2004 01:38 GMT
>>>> As regards the world of popular culture, music and the arts ....
>>>> which decade would you have most liked to live in?
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>the kitchen in the 1950's than playing Joan Collins, but I'm sure it was
>very nice for the 1% who weren't.

I started this thread if you recall, so I don't think we'll ignore my fantasies or my
reality, if you please (or if you don't please).

In the 1950's *my* mother was a university lecturer. My aunt was a teacher. My other
aunt was an Undertaker.

If your mother was barefoot and pregnant, that's *her* problem. If tarts like her had
kept their legs closed we wouldn't be plagued by toerags like you, now would we.

Now go and play with the cars in the road, little shitforbrains scrote that you are!

Liz
Mekon - 07 Mar 2004 03:41 GMT
"Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote in message news:tN82c.10186$uO3.2851@news->
(snip)

> Ignoring your fantasies, what I said stands. You are more likely to be in
> the kitchen in the 1950's than playing Joan Collins, but I'm sure it was
> very nice for the 1% who weren't.

I am quite enjoying LizR's fantasies and choose not to ignore a single one.
On the other hand there are posters here who the newsgroup would do well to
ignore.

Mekon
Mekon - 04 Mar 2004 04:24 GMT
> As regards the world of popular culture, music and the arts ....
> which decade would you have most liked to live in?
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Liz

The sixties has to be it for me. To relive the rise and fall of the Beatles,
to be able to catch a Stones gig that didn't require a dozen trucks and more
lights than are in most medium sized towns. To watch Olivier at the Old Vic
while wearing a thin black tie and pointy shoes. To see the building of the
Sydney Opera House. To stand on the corner of Haight and Ashbury and wonder
where the beautiful people went. To march once again in the anti Vietnam war
protests along with girls in mini skirts and crocheted (sp) tops. To buy a
lime green Mini Cooper S (the one with wind up windows!) To walk down
Downing street and not see a single weapon. To buy my own personal Spitfire
and have shares in a Lancaster. But most of all to talk to my grandparents
and uncles about the times of their lives and find out where my own story
mixes in with recent British history. Oh and go see if that smart Seattle
kid Bill Gates wants a scholarship, when he is ready maybe we could start up
a little business.

Mekon
nightjar - 05 Mar 2004 14:52 GMT
...
> The sixties has to be it for me. ...To march once again in the anti
Vietnam war
> protests along with girls in mini skirts and crocheted (sp) tops.

For some reason, that sentence reminds me of cheese cloth as a clothing
material. :-)

> To buy a
> lime green Mini Cooper S (the one with wind up windows!)

A Mini Moke was much cooler, in both senses.

> To walk down
> Downing street and not see a single weapon.

To walk down Downing Street, period. I remember a car treasure hunt we did
in London in the 1960s. lots of different bits of produce, from which you
had to identify a country. Then you had to visit the Embassy of that country
and answer the relevant question. About 30 cars, doing a tour of the
Embassies on a Sunday (when they were about the only cars in central London)
stopping to look at each for a while, then driving off and the only response
was that, at one Embassy, someone came out to help one of the competitors,
who was having trouble identifying the answer.

>... Oh and go see if that smart Seattle
> kid Bill Gates wants a scholarship, when he is ready maybe we could start up
> a little business.

Have you no pity? That would still end up with us using MS products. Better
to write a decent OS, with lots of future expansion potential, and sell that
to IBM when they start touting around for something to run on their new, not
expected to be that significant, line in personal computers.

Colin Bignell
FF - 05 Mar 2004 22:13 GMT
> >... Oh and go see if that smart Seattle
> > kid Bill Gates wants a scholarship, when he is ready maybe we could start
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> to IBM when they start touting around for something to run on their new, not
> expected to be that significant, line in personal computers.

He'd only be about 5! We could stomp him like a bug <VBEG>

Liz
hippo - 04 Mar 2004 07:04 GMT
"FF"  wrote in message

> As regards the world of popular culture, music and the arts ....
> which decade would you have most liked to live in?
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Liz

Nah, I've been there. It would be the first decade of the nineteenth century
for me with great music played by real people, every day new with the
unknown, swash and buckle pouring broadsides into whimpering frog warships,
charting new worlds, India and the Spice Islands, sherry and port by the
hogshead, duels at dawn with a fine set of pistols by Manton, long solitary
rides over the moor, library shelves to the ceiling, all day pheasant hunts,
gleaming mahogany, the dark  smell of the land and ancient oaks, tea so
precious it had to be locked up, real folk music played by the village
fiddler learned from his father and he from his father before him, Greek
philosophy, dogs, and poetry written by real poets in front of a wood fire
at night with my lady at her harpsichord, and not an amplifier, shrieking
rock star, neon bulb, piece of plastic, or TV in the offing for a century
and a half. I must navigate better next time.  -the Troll
Mekon - 04 Mar 2004 08:22 GMT
> "FF"  wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> rock star, neon bulb, piece of plastic, or TV in the offing for a century
> and a half. I must navigate better next time.  -the Troll

Not without antibiotics...
:)

Mekon
hippo - 05 Mar 2004 00:05 GMT
"Mekon" wrote in message

> "hippo"  wrote in message

> > Nah, I've been there. It would be the first decade of the nineteenth
> century
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> Not without antibiotics...
> :)

This is a rustic Paradise.  No consorting, no London, no antibiotics
needed.:^) -the Troll
a.spencer3 - 04 Mar 2004 08:25 GMT
You romantic fool, you'd have got just the same in MY era - 1955-65 - and it
was for real, not out of your children's pirate books .............

> Nah, I've been there. It would be the first decade of the nineteenth century
> for me with great music played by real people,

Yeh - all that terrific late '50s stuff that I still prefer (Eartha Kitt -
Grrrrrrrrrrrr!), Beatles and all the accompanying stuff - I was there,
ferrying across the Mersey with Gerry and around 10,000 others just a few
months ago - Yep Gerry is still doing the rounds! Fantastic!.

,every day new with the
> unknown, swash and buckle pouring broadsides into whimpering frog warships,

Well, substitute a bit of Suez, Aden etc. and it was just as exciting, I
promise!

> charting new worlds, India and the Spice Islands,

Can't beat the new worlds opened up by Clarksons - they made us the first
people in our village to holiday in North Africa - 2 weeks for £35 in
1961ish - and a Med cruise that included Jerusalem, Pyramids in the early
60s (most people had only previously seen them on stamps!) for £45 - new
worlds indeed! Come to think of it, these cheepie flights are bringing us
back down to 60s prices, aren't they!!!

>sherry and port by the
> hogshead,

Proper beer for 1/9d. a pint ...

>duels at dawn

... On the Common (sorry, read that as 'duets'!)

>with a fine set of pistols by Manton,

My LE .33 was beautifully crafted!

>long solitary
> rides over the moor,

Who the hell wanted to be alone!

>library shelves to the ceiling,

Well, there was the Public Library

>all day pheasant hunts,

Sure, we hunted birds all day too ...

> gleaming mahogany,

Gleaming Formica

>the dark  smell of the land and ancient oaks,

More like, then, of the great unwashed.

>tea so
> precious it had to be locked up, real folk music played by the village
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> rock star, neon bulb, piece of plastic, or TV in the offing for a century
> and a half. I must navigate better next time.

Oh dear!

The only advantage with your era was that you probably wouldn't have had to
marry your lady, thus marking the end of a fabulous decade! (Oh - of
course, - and the start of an even more wonderful 35 years, Darling ...)

Surreyman
hippo - 05 Mar 2004 00:30 GMT
"a.spencer3" wrote in message

> hippo wrote in message

> You romantic fool, you'd have got just the same in MY era - 1955-65 - and it
> was for real, not out of your children's pirate books .............
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> ferrying across the Mersey with Gerry and around 10,000 others just a few
> months ago - Yep Gerry is still doing the rounds! Fantastic!.

Noise, noise, and more noise.

> ,every day new with the
> > unknown, swash and buckle pouring broadsides into whimpering frog
> warships,
>
> Well, substitute a bit of Suez, Aden etc. and it was just as exciting, I
> promise!

Much more satisfying when they are French.

> > charting new worlds, India and the Spice Islands,
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> worlds indeed! Come to think of it, these cheepie flights are bringing us
> back down to 60s prices, aren't they!!!

....in the track of 5000 other Northern Europeans. First in for me.

> >sherry and port by the
> > hogshead,
>
> Proper beer for 1/9d. a pint ...

Beer? You have to be kidding.

> >duels at dawn
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> My LE .33 was beautifully crafted!

Junk compared to the craftsmanship of Manton in my period. I held a Manton
dueler once and will never forget it. Even two centuries old the
wood-to-steel fit was perfect, no overruns on the checkering, and finished
with very British simplicity with absolute perfection of line and form.

> >long solitary
> > rides over the moor,
>
> Who the hell wanted to be alone!

You, a married man, are asking that?

> >library shelves to the ceiling,
>
> Well, there was the Public Library

Public?

> >all day pheasant hunts,
>
> Sure, we hunted birds all day too ...

A twelve bore is a more reliable, shoots all day without tiring, and the
birds stay down and can be eaten roasted with sage, raisins, and rum.

> > gleaming mahogany,
>
> Gleaming Formica

Bletch!

> >the dark  smell of the land and ancient oaks,
>
> More like, then, of the great unwashed.

A natural smell not out of a bottle. I smuggle in coal tar soap so as not to
smell like a flower garden.

> >tea so
> > precious it had to be locked up, real folk music played by the village
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> marry your lady, thus marking the end of a fabulous decade! (Oh - of
> course, - and the start of an even more wonderful 35 years, Darling ...)

Bah, you are just sour because you didn't think of it first. -the Troll
nightjar - 04 Mar 2004 08:55 GMT
...
> Nah, I've been there. It would be the first decade of the nineteenth century
> for me

Without surgery and subsequent endoscopy, I would be in frequent pain.
Massive doses of antibiotics saved my life, but only just. I prefer to stay
with modern medicine.

>... sherry and port by the
> hogshead, ...

Gout.

> ... library shelves to the ceiling, all day pheasant hunts,
> gleaming mahogany, ...

If you have the money, probably less in real terms than you would have
needed then, you can still have those today. However, the reality is that
most people would have lived in much less attractive surroundings.

Colin Bignell
hippo - 05 Mar 2004 00:42 GMT
"nightjar .uk.com>" wrote in message

> "hippo" wrote in message

> > Nah, I've been there. It would be the first decade of the nineteenth
> century
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Massive doses of antibiotics saved my life, but only just. I prefer to stay
> with modern medicine.

I'd be willing to give it a go.

> >... sherry and port by the
> > hogshead, ...
>
> Gout.

Hmmm, nothing is perfect.

> > ... library shelves to the ceiling, all day pheasant hunts,
> > gleaming mahogany, ...
>
> If you have the money, probably less in real terms than you would have
> needed then, you can still have those today. However, the reality is that
> most people would have lived in much less attractive surroundings.

Not me, I'd have had all that prize money from sending Frogs in large
numbers to the nether regions and then two or three trips to India after
tea, tiger hunts, and rubies for the ladies, then retirement at 40 in the
country to raise a dozen kids with my young bride. A perfect life. -the
Troll
nightjar - 05 Mar 2004 09:01 GMT
> "nightjar .uk.com>" wrote in message
>
> > "hippo" wrote in message

....
> > > ... library shelves to the ceiling, all day pheasant hunts,
> > > gleaming mahogany, ...
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Not me, I'd have had all that prize money from sending Frogs in large
> numbers to the nether regions and then two or three trips to India ...

India, one of the most severe endemic areas for Typhoid (around 1% of the
population gets it today), possible source of and certainly home to Bubonic
Plague, Smallpox and Malaria and, of course, Cholera was long known as The
Indian Cholera. Then there was always the risk of Typhus in long ship
voyages. It is not really surprising that the Europeans who went there in
search of fame and fortune died in droves. About the only good thing, from a
medical point of view, in your chosen decade is that a prevention for Scurvy
was in general use in British ships.

Colin Bignell
hippo - 05 Mar 2004 15:57 GMT
"nightjar .uk.com>"  wrote in message

> "hippo" wrote in message

> > > > ... library shelves to the ceiling, all day pheasant hunts,
> > > > gleaming mahogany, ...
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> medical point of view, in your chosen decade is that a prevention for Scurvy
> was in general use in British ships.

So what is a little vicissitude? It is all a part of building character (and
immunities). -the Troll
Rod Keys - 04 Mar 2004 11:37 GMT
> As regards the world of popular culture, music and the arts ....
> which decade would you have most liked to live in?

"As regards to the world of popular culture, music and the arts .... "

That's different than in terms of standard of living, medical advances and
so on.  And it's probebly different here in the US than over there.

For music, here in the US the best would be 20's (golden age of Jazz), 30's
(golden age of Swing) or 50's (great R&B and then Rock).  I'd go for 50's
because I ike R&B (Lavern Baker, early Ray Charles, The Falcons with Jackie
Wilson, early Fats Domino, Professor Longhair, Clifton Chenier etc. etc.).

Twentyth century decades to skip would be 1900's; show tunes and babershop
quartete .. teens; more bad show tunes .. 40's; big band (college age kids
playing simple music) .. 60's; efeminant British boys trying to imitate R&B
.. 70's; disco ..  80's on; popular music taken over by MBA's who's only
interest seems to be minimizing cost of production.  No artistic content
whatsoever.

Curiously the very worst music period was the early fifties after the big
bands but before rock.  Great stuff was cooking in the background that would
soon lead to Rock, but the Pop music factories at Tin Pan Alley and the
Brill Building were at their low point pumping out dreck like "How Much is
that Doggie in the Window".

Rod
John Cartmell - 04 Mar 2004 12:28 GMT
> the Pop music factories at Tin Pan Alley and the Brill Building were at
> their low point pumping out dreck like "How Much is that Doggie in the
> Window".

Wuff wuff!

But at least we remember it. ;-)

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Phil C. - 04 Mar 2004 14:30 GMT
>As regards the world of popular culture, music and the arts ....
>which decade would you have most liked to live in?
>
>I'll start the ball rolling and say the 1950's. Music was full of joi de vivre (well,
>rock and roll) and people like me (I mean women) got to wear elegant clothes, eye
>liner, nice shoes and proper hairdoes. Oh... and swan around in sports cars:-)

I suppose the decade I would _least_ liked to have live in would be
the 1920s. Imagine living in a world where everyone thought Charlie
Chaplin was funny.

If I put a specifically crip slant on the question there is no better
time than the present. Personal computers, electric scooters, mobile
phones etc have been a _huge_ blessing. And... er... Viagara. Not that
I would know, of course.
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Ernest - 06 Mar 2004 07:31 GMT
> As regards the world of popular culture, music and the arts ....
> which decade would you have most liked to live in?
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Liz

That's a tough call. The 1990's weren't so bad, really. The information
age, and all.

But the 1870's in the US would have been an interesting time. Westward
expansion, and true adventure. Hunting and fishing to provide food
rather than as sport, and who could resist being able to walk around
with a pair of Colt revolvers slung low on your hips? Riding a horse,
and sleeping under the stars. Having a perfectly broken in pair of
boots, and a cowboy hat to keep the rain out of your eyes. One could be
a Man without constantly having to apologize for it. That seems like a
pretty good time to me -simple and real. There's nothing like the sound
of creaking saddle leather.
Mekon - 06 Mar 2004 07:52 GMT
(snip)

> That's a tough call. The 1990's weren't so bad, really. The information
> age, and all.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> pretty good time to me -simple and real. There's nothing like the sound
> of creaking saddle leather.

Who says romance is dead?

Mekon
Ernest - 06 Mar 2004 21:40 GMT
> (snip)
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> Who says romance is dead?

You're right! I forgot all about brothels.
WKensit - 07 Mar 2004 10:29 GMT
> As regards the world of popular culture, music and the arts ....
> which decade would you have most liked to live in?
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Liz

I take it that you are no older than 45. I am in my 60's and remember
the 50's.
  Rock and roll? How about "Tennessee Waltz" or "Cry'?
  You're British? My aunt and uncle (he a machinist for Ford of
Dearborn) made a tip to GB in '53. Returned with tales of poverty and
deprivation. The greyness of GB. (remember coal?)
  Elegant clothes etc? Deary in those days women worked! And not at
computers but at manual labour with rough chapped hands. But they did
know their place in the scheme of things. Education was wasted on them.
Those who were rebels with a joie de vivre were called something
impolite, sexist.
  Sports cars? I remember bloated Detroit iron that understeered to a
fare-thee-well. Three-on-tree. Stove bolt six.
  Ah!! The good old days that never were. Except in memory. We are
blessed, or perhaps cursed, to not remember pain and the way things
really were...the bad at least.
FF - 07 Mar 2004 01:53 GMT
>> As regards the world of popular culture, music and the arts ....
>> which decade would you have most liked to live in?
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>I take it that you are no older than 45.
Wrong!

> I am in my 60's and remember the 50's.
>   Rock and roll? How about "Tennessee Waltz" or "Cry'?
>   You're British? My aunt and uncle (he a machinist for Ford of
>Dearborn) made a tip to GB in '53. Returned with tales of poverty and
>deprivation. The greyness of GB. (remember coal?)

And you're a USAan?  It wasn't so grey to us. We remember coal right up to 1984 and
Reagan's little floozy. OF course it was "grey" as we were paying for your Yankee
self-indulgence (same story in 2004). My mother and aunts didn't have rough chapped
hands, they had white-collar jobs.

You might have had shite Usaian cars, but we had **real** cars and by the 1950's they
were quite lovely to drive... if you**could ** drive!  But who will ever know, now
you're doomed to drive at Magic Roundabout speeds over there!

Live long and prosper! NOT!!

Liz
 
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