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History Forum / General / British History / March 2004Should Mel Gibson be Excommunicated?
His attack on the Pope is heresy. What punishment should he get? Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer > His attack on the Pope is heresy. What punishment should he get? A contract to do his film on the Reformation and an academy award. (It can't really be heresy, since there is not reference to a Pope, let alone one in Rome, in scripture.) -- Andrew Chaplin SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO (If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.) Yep... Is Mel still an American citizen? He was born here. If so, President Bush could appoint him as Ambassador to the Vatican ---- after the Election. DSH | > His attack on the Pope is heresy. What punishment should he get? | [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] | SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO | (If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.) >His attack on the Pope is heresy. What punishment should he get? I'd leave that problem to the pope. As far as I know, the group to which Gibson belongs does not recognize either Vatican II or the legitimacy of any pope since Vatican II. The ability of synods to set authoritative policy for the Catholic church (in this case the Roman branch) has been a fundamental tenant of Catholicism (i.e. you are not allowed to make up your own policy.) the problem is theirs. Thus Gibson's group is certainly outside the pale and may in fact be heretical. But only the Catholic Church can determine that. ---- Paul J. Gans PS: As far as I know they have not yet reacted to the fifth of the four Gospels, the Gospel according to Gibson. Like the other four, it shares many elements. Like the other four, it has some unique elements. One unique element is an almost utter lack of mention of the joy in Christ's death and resurection because it promises the immortality of the soul. Another that it has that the others don't is the prancing devil. Reading theologians (catholic and otherwise) on the subject of Gibson is revalatory. "Paul J Gans" wrote in message > >His attack on the Pope is heresy. What punishment should he get? > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > is the prancing devil. Reading theologians (catholic and > otherwise) on the subject of Gibson is revalatory. There are theologians and theologians. Most in the lay clergy across all Christian faiths seem to think it is fine. They are the ones who relate to the guy in the pew. No one worries overmuch about what Vatican scholars think. They haven't agreed with even themselves for centuries. Who first canned the expression 'the Gospel according to Gibson', the Times? The movie really pisses you guys off doesn't it? -the Troll >"Paul J Gans" wrote in message >> >His attack on the Pope is heresy. What punishment should he get? >> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >> is the prancing devil. Reading theologians (catholic and >> otherwise) on the subject of Gibson is revalatory. >There are theologians and theologians. Most in the lay clergy across all >Christian faiths seem to think it is fine. They are the ones who relate to >the guy in the pew. No one worries overmuch about what Vatican scholars >think. They haven't agreed with even themselves for centuries. Who first >canned the expression 'the Gospel according to Gibson', the Times? The movie >really pisses you guys off doesn't it? -the Troll Yes, many protestant ministers are very much in favor of the film. But most of them are *not* scholars. You give the game away when you say that nobody worries overmuch about what Vatican scholars think. Scholars come in all stripes of belief. And by the way, my use of the Gospel according to Gibson is my own. It is, you know. One should not tinker lightly with the Gospels. They are mutually contradictory enough without someone else adding to the confusion. Gibson has a perfect right to do this, of course. But then he's not telling the story of any particular gospel, he's telling his own. Does the movie annoy me? Not particularly. It has added fuel to the fire as to whether God's laws should over-rule the Constitution. That's what the militant Iraqis say, but the irony is lost on folks in the US. ---- Paul J. Gans >His attack on the Pope is heresy. What punishment should he get? The Pope? THE BISHOP OF ROME !! (since the day Henry VIII began what has been called the English Reformation out of his own avarice. We now have gay bishops in America and His Grace of Canterbury is conspicuously silent on that issue. No occupant of the Chair of St. Peter can ever be accused of that :-) . >Arthur Kramer >344th BG 494th BS > England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany >Visit my WW II B-26 website at: >http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer > His attack on the Pope is heresy. What punishment should he get? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Visit my WW II B-26 website at: > http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer Thanks Arthur. This *British history* group which was suffering under the weight of discussing American politics, now you have added the burden of religious debate. Couldn't we stick to the past here rather than current events or future leaders? Surely there is enough for us to argue about there. It is almost enough for me to want to muse on the subject of sunset at Hastings. Mekon |
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