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kenney@cix.compulink.co.uk - 07 Mar 2004 12:14 GMT
1. What happened at the 1897 Jubilee Naval review that caused a major
upset in ship design? (3 pts available)

That was of course Turbania designed by Parsons running rings round
the ships. The extra point was that it was by agreement.

2. The first two Turbine powered destroyers in the RN were never
fully evaluated why? (4 pts)

Both were lost less than a year after they were commisioned. Viper
stranded in the Channel Islands. Cobra broke in two on her delivery
voyage.

3. What was unusual about Zubian?

It was a composite of the bow half of Zulu and the aft half of
Nubian.

4. What was an "Oily Wad"?

The answer I was looking for was the Cricket class coastal destroyer,
but the other answers seem OK.

5. Which British destroyer was fitted with a six inch gun?

Swift, I did say 6 inch not 5.9.

6. Two WW1 British destroyer classes saw use in WW2, which?

 I was looking for S and V&W classes. In spite of the name the V&W is
one class.  I accept that as pointed out there were other left over
ships.

7. What were the major innovations in the Magdeburg class? (1 pt for
each)

I suppose I should have made it clear that this was inovations
compared with previous German cruisers.

Longitudenal framing, side armour used as strength element rather
than just bolted onto the hull, stowage and laying equipment for 120
mines

8. Which US ships allegedly took over 30 years to complete?

It seems that it was just Puritan, I thought there were more New Navy
monitors in the same position but apparently not.

9. Which was the first Naval Radar to go to sea? ( the answer to this
one is arguable)

I was looking for the Seetakt installed in Graf Spee in 1936. Naval
Weapons of WW2 describes it as the first naval radar. I have not been
able to find any mention of radar on the Normandie.

10. What was the biggest naval gun to see active service in WW1?

 18 inches (ex Furious) mounted on the monitors General Wolfe and
Lord Clive.

11. What was the biggest naval gun to get as far as proof testing?

The German 21 inch Gerat 36.

12. There were four designs either by RN constructors or accepted by
the RN that were failures. What were they? (Bonus if you can come up
with an answer I have not thought of and accept)

These are the ones I had in mind though I am sure opinion differs.
Captain
Victoria and Albert
K class steam subs
X class cruiser sub

13. What was the first torpedo boat in service in the RN?

Maybe I should have put "torpedo boat". Anyway Lightning TB1

14. What was the first RN ship to have a torpedo as main armament?

Vesuvius

15. Which firm designed the first US secondary armament director?

 Vickers, who originated the idea.

16. Who made Ocean going iron ships possible and how?

Sir George Airey, who solved the problems of compass correction

17. What was the first Admiralty built Steam vessel?

Comet built in 1822 and commisioned as HMS in 1831.

18. What was the first iron warship?

Nemesis

19. Who was it built for?

 East India Company

20. What were the dates of the "First School of Naval Architecture"
(Britain)?

1811-1832

 Ken Young
kenney@cix.co.uk

Those who cover themselves with martial glory
frequently go in need of any other garment. (Bramah)
Brian Allardice - 07 Mar 2004 13:11 GMT
> 12. There were four designs either by RN constructors or accepted by
>the RN that were failures. What were they? (Bonus if you can come up
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> K class steam subs
> X class cruiser sub

Hood was a success?  Of course it was splendid theatre, but seemed to have a
design issue or two in combat.

Cheers,
dba
Thomas Schoene - 07 Mar 2004 13:29 GMT
>> 12. There were four designs either by RN constructors or accepted by
>> the RN that were failures. What were they? (Bonus if you can come up
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Hood was a success?  Of course it was splendid theatre, but seemed to
> have a design issue or two in combat.

By that measure, any ship sunk by a fluke hit is a design failure.  Hood was
certainly unlucky, and definitely showing her age, but there's nothing about
the design that was nearly as fundamentally flawed as the K-class (for
example).

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lightsoff - 07 Mar 2004 18:04 GMT
> >> 12. There were four designs either by RN constructors or accepted by
> >> the RN that were failures. What were they? (Bonus if you can come up
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> the design that was nearly as fundamentally flawed as the K-class (for
> example).

Depends if you mean "ship design" or "armour design". The Hood was known to
be vulnerable from above for a long time and yet the armour was not
upgraded. Long-range shots by definition have a high trajectory, though
while the shells that exploded her magazine were certainly aimed at her at
the range of thirteen miles or so you'd have to admit a bit of the "fluke"
influence. She was the world's most heavily armed ship for a long time
(twenty years?) and usually had 1000-1300 people on board during this time
without apparent major problems, so the design must have some "success"
attached to it.
nightjar - 07 Mar 2004 20:43 GMT
...
>  Depends if you mean "ship design" or "armour design". The Hood was known to
> be vulnerable from above for a long time and yet the armour was not
> upgraded.

The planned upgrade was postponed by the outbreak of war.

Colin Bignell
Richard Bell - 07 Mar 2004 20:47 GMT
>> >> 12. There were four designs either by RN constructors or accepted by
>> >> the RN that were failures. What were they? (Bonus if you can come up
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>without apparent major problems, so the design must have some "success"
>attached to it.

Given that the most likely trajectory for the shot that sank the Hood
included a final approach underwater (like the dud found next to an engine
room of the PoW), there were no battleships with a "successful" design, if
Hood's loss proved her design to be flawed.
Joachim Schmid - 07 Mar 2004 14:43 GMT
>  12. There were four designs either by RN constructors or accepted by
> the RN that were failures. What were they? (Bonus if you can come up
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>  K class steam subs
>  X class cruiser sub

Glorious class?
LST 1?

Regards

Joachim
Christophe Chazot - 07 Mar 2004 15:28 GMT
(snip)
>  9. Which was the first Naval Radar to go to sea? ( the answer to this
> one is arguable)
>
>  I was looking for the Seetakt installed in Graf Spee in 1936. Naval
> Weapons of WW2 describes it as the first naval radar. I have not been
> able to find any mention of radar on the Normandie.

Normandie had some sort of radar, called DEM device, but it seems a bit hard
to call this device a Naval Radar. It had been designed as an iceberg
detector, had a fixed array, and was only able to search in the +/- 40° from
longitudinal axis. It was not a military equipment, and had to be
considerably modified before it could see naval use. The first *Naval* sets
were mounted in 1940, long after the SeeTakt of 1936.

Regards,
Christophe
BF Lake - 07 Mar 2004 21:51 GMT
>  12. There were four designs either by RN constructors or accepted by
> the RN that were failures. What were they? (Bonus if you can come up
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>  K class steam subs
>  X class cruiser sub

Surely the Hunt type of small DD was a failure in that it couldn't do the
intended task, and a scramble to create escorts that could was required
after the war had already started.

Regards,
Barry
 
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