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History Forum / General / British History / April 2004George Orwell -- Words Of Wisdom -- Today
George Orwell [1903-1950] -- whose Real Name was Eric Blair -- is just as right today as he was in 1945. Yep -- the same guy who wrote _Animal Farm_ and _Nineteen Eighty-Four_. Let's also keep in mind that Orwell was a "Man Of The Left" for most of his life -- so this heartfelt statement of accumulated Orwellian wisdom and bitter experience in the Fantasy- World of the Left has a special poignancy. DSH --------------------------------------- "One has to belong to the intelligentsia to believe things like that: no ordinary man could be such a fool." George Orwell ---- _Notes on Nationalism_, May, 1945 ---------------------------------------- "It is, I think, true to say that the intelligentsia have been more wrong about the progress of the war than the common people, and that they were more swayed by partisan feelings. The average intellectual of the Left believed, for instance, that the war was lost in 1940, that the Germans were bound to overrun Egypt in 1942, that the Japanese would never be driven out of the lands they had conquered, and that the Anglo-American bombing offensive was making no impression on Germany. He could believe these things because his hatred for the British ruling class forbade him to admit that British plans could succeed. There is no limit to the follies that can be swallowed if one is under the influence of feelings of this kind. I have heard it confidently stated, for instance, that the American troops had been brought to Europe not to fight the Germans but to crush an English revolution. One has to belong to the intelligentsia to believe things like that: no ordinary man could be such a fool." George Orwell ---- _Notes on Nationalism_, May, 1945 ----------------------------------------------- Lest We Forget.... 'Nuff Said... D. Spencer Hines Lux et Veritas et Libertas Vires et Honor > George Orwell [1903-1950] -- whose Real Name was Eric Blair -- is just > as right today as he was in 1945. Well, he was off by 20 years - but in 2004 the Bush junta is certainly doing all it can to implement 'Big Brother'. " Since about that time, war had been literally continuous, though strictly speaking it had not always been the same war. For several months during his childhood there had been confused street fighting in London itself, some of which he remembered vividly. But to trace out the history of the whole period, to say who was fighting whom at any given moment, would have been utterly impossible, since no written record, and no spoken word, ever made mention of any other alignment than the existing one. At this moment, for example, in 1984 (if it was 1984), Oceania was at war with Eurasia and in alliance with Eastasia. In no public or private utterance was it ever admitted that the three powers had at any time been grouped along different lines. Actually, as Winston well knew, it was only four years since Oceania had been at war with Eastasia and in alliance with Eurasia. But that was merely a piece of furtive knowledge which he happened to possess because his memory was not satisfactorily under control. Officially the change of partners had never happened. Oceania was at war with Eurasia: therefore Oceania had always been at war with Eurasia. The enemy of the moment always represented absolute evil, and it followed that any past or future agreement with him was impossible." George Orwell, 1984 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This message was posted via one or more anonymous remailing services. The original sender is unknown. Any address shown in the From header is unverified. > George Orwell [1903-1950] -- whose Real Name was Eric Blair -- is just > as right today as he was in 1945. > Yep -- the same guy who wrote _Animal Farm_ and _Nineteen Eighty-Four_. > Let's also keep in mind that Orwell was a "Man Of The Left" for most of > his life -- so this heartfelt statement of accumulated Orwellian wisdom > and bitter experience in the Fantasy- World of the Left has a special > poignancy. I'm sure that it would be totally beyond you to appreciate that much of what Orwell foretold actually happened in the 80s and 90s. Slight differences of course but the fact that Big Brother carried a handbag didn't material change the warning nor the way it was ignored.  SignatureJohn Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Qercus magazine & FD Games www.finnybank.com www.acornuser.com Qercus - a fusion of Acorn Publisher & Acorn User magazines >I'm sure that it would be totally beyond you to appreciate that much of >what Orwell foretold actually happened in the 80s and 90s. >Slight differences of course but the fact that Big Brother carried a >handbag didn't material change the warning nor the way it was ignored. As one of my SWP drinking companions said in our University days, if we were to be ruled by a fascist hag, why couldn't they have chosen one with decent tits? -- Julian Richards medieval "at" richardsuk.f9.co.uk Usenet is how from the comfort of your own living room, you can converse with people that you would never want in your house. THIS MESSAGE WAS POSTED FROM SOC.HISTORY.MEDIEVAL "Julian Richards" wrote in message > >I'm sure that it would be totally beyond you to appreciate that much of > >what Orwell foretold actually happened in the 80s and 90s. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > we were to be ruled by a fascist hag, why couldn't they have chosen > one with decent tits? Chuckle, all you lefties want from government is a big nurturing tit to suck on. Instead the majority chose a leader with a brain and guts which were both more needed at the time. They are to be commended for making the wiser choice. -the Troll >"Julian Richards" wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >both more needed at the time. They are to be commended for making the wiser >choice. -the Troll It helps if the brain in question is larger than the human fist! SignatureBrian Fraser Lovett-White http://www.finhall.demon.co.uk http://thefrasers.com > >"Julian Richards" wrote in message > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > > >Chuckle, all you lefties want from government is a big nurturing tit to suck ------------------------------------------------------------------------^ You've misspelled "Theresa Orloffski". > >on. Instead the majority chose a leader with a brain and guts which were > >both more needed at the time. They are to be commended for making the wiser > >choice. -the Troll > > It helps if the brain in question is larger than the human fist! ----------------------^---------------------^ You've misspelled "tits" and "are". Pulchra sunt ubera quae paululum supereminent. Cheers, Michael "since politicians haven't got brains let them at least have tits " Kuettner "Bryn Fraser" wrote in message > In message hippo writes > >"Julian Richards" wrote in message > > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > It helps if the brain in question is larger than the human fist! Fortunately for most of us it isn't the size that counts but how one uses what one has. The Sovs, Argies, and we poor bastards carrying much of the burden of the Cold War can attest that she did quite well. She also understood as a mother that the tit becomes counter-productive after infancy leading only to perminant dependence. She was right about that too. Here's to Maggie, God Bless her. -the Troll >"Bryn Fraser" wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >leading only to perminant dependence. She was right about that too. Here's >to Maggie, God Bless her. -the Troll Curiously, while she was in power life did get better for the really poor. Whether that was intended or not is another question... History will no doubt remember her for inventing whippy ice cream and cancelling the national schools free milk program... SignatureBrian Fraser Lovett-White http://www.finhall.demon.co.uk http://thefrasers.com > History will no doubt remember her for inventing whippy ice cream and > cancelling the national schools free milk program... This may be a simple case of two peoples separated by a common tongue, but what is whippy ice cream? It sounds both kinky and decadent...the sort of thing to keep feeding Ann Coulter so she won't speak. > > History will no doubt remember her for inventing whippy ice cream and > > cancelling the national schools free milk program... > > This may be a simple case of two peoples separated by a common tongue, > but what is whippy ice cream? It sounds both kinky and decadent...the > sort of thing to keep feeding Ann Coulter so she won't speak. I think it's actually "Mr Whippy" ice-cream; a sort of ice-cream that's very soft. aerated like whipped-cream and extruded into a 'cornet' ( a cone) via a star-shaped nozzle by an operator who twists the extruding material into a pointy-topped spiral. If you ask nicely and hand over the appropriate coins, the operator will stick a crumbly flaky chocolate bar into it - the code is "Make that a Ninety-Nine, Mate!" [Etymologists write learned treatise on the derivation of the 'ninety-nine' nomenclature - some insist that the bars of chocolate flake are 99mm.] SignatureBrian > > > History will no doubt remember her for inventing whippy ice cream and > > > cancelling the national schools free milk program... [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > [Etymologists write learned treatise on the derivation of the 'ninety-nine' > nomenclature - some insist that the bars of chocolate flake are 99mm.] A concept perhaps most easily conveyed on this side of the pond by using the words Dairy Queen. Watch "Help!" to see the rig. SignatureJack :> > History will no doubt remember her for inventing whippy ice cream and :> > cancelling the national schools free milk program... [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] :( a cone) via a star-shaped nozzle by an operator who twists the :extruding material into a pointy-topped spiral. So after all these years, the British have discovered Dairy Queen soft-serve ice cream? > :> > History will no doubt remember her for inventing whippy ice cream and > :> > cancelling the national schools free milk program... [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > So after all these years, the British have discovered Dairy Queen > soft-serve ice cream? I expect it's an enigma over when soft ice-cream was 'discovered' and by whom ... certainly when Mr McCullough was developing his product the residents of the UK were up to their eyeballs in debris and coping with the Luftwaffe's urban remodelling programme.Still, thank goodness the arsenal of democracy was not distracted by tiny details such as Taranto. SignatureBrian > :> > History will no doubt remember her for inventing whippy ice cream and > :> > cancelling the national schools free milk program... [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > So after all these years, the British have discovered Dairy Queen > soft-serve ice cream? soft serve is ice milk not ice cream . the lower fat content is what makes it softer . :> :> > History will no doubt remember her for inventing whippy ice cream and :> :> > cancelling the national schools free milk program... [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] :soft serve is ice milk not ice cream . the lower fat content is what makes :it softer . I don't think so. If that was what made it softer, it wouldn't freeze hard when you took it home and shoved it in the freezer for a week. What makes it softer is that it is not as cold and is whipped for dispense. Signature"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man." --George Bernard Shaw > :> :> > History will no doubt remember her for inventing whippy ice cream > :> :> > and [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > What makes it softer is that it is not as cold and is whipped for > dispense. Whipping the ice cream before it comes out of the dispenser...Fred, have you been looking again at the picture of Ann Coulter in a dominatrix outfit on her website? :-) > soft serve is ice milk not ice cream . the lower fat content is what > makes it softer. That's a slur on the reputation of milk. SignatureJohn Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Qercus magazine & FD Games www.finnybank.com www.acornuser.com Qercus - a fusion of Acorn Publisher & Acorn User magazines > So after all these years, the British have discovered Dairy Queen > soft-serve ice cream? This *is* a history ng and the comments refer to (about) 1960. I don't know when 'Dairy Queen' hit the streets... SignatureJohn Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Qercus magazine & FD Games www.finnybank.com www.acornuser.com Qercus - a fusion of Acorn Publisher & Acorn User magazines On 4/28/04 4:50 AM, in article 4ca6a6bf55john@cartmell.demon.co.uk, "John Cartmell" <john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> wrote: >> So after all these years, the British have discovered Dairy Queen >> soft-serve ice cream? > > This *is* a history ng and the comments refer to (about) 1960. I don't know > when 'Dairy Queen' hit the streets... Dairy Queen soft serve was first developed in 1938 and the first DQ store was opened in Joliet, IL in 1940. The first store in Canada opened in 1953. I don't know when the first British store opened but there if a photograph on the Web taken of a group in "Dairy Queen of Britain" in 1957.[1] http://www.oregon-web.net/dq/history.htm http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Dairy%20Queen http://www.gtj.org.uk/item.php?lang=en&id=23235&t=1 Grey Satterfield [1] Anybody who really thinks I knew this stuff should think again -- Google is my friend. :>) :> So after all these years, the British have discovered Dairy Queen :> soft-serve ice cream? : :This *is* a history ng and the comments refer to (about) 1960. I don't know :when 'Dairy Queen' hit the streets... August 4, 1938, in Kankakee, Illinois. There were over 1400 of them in 1950 and some 2600 of them by 1955. So just assume my comment was made in 1960. It still applies. > I think it's actually "Mr Whippy" ice-cream; a sort of ice-cream that's > very soft. aerated like whipped-cream and extruded into a 'cornet' ( a > cone) via a star-shaped nozzle by an operator who twists the extruding > material into a pointy-topped spiral. If you ask nicely and hand over > the appropriate coins, the operator will stick a crumbly flaky chocolate > bar into it - the code is "Make that a Ninety-Nine, Mate!" > [Etymologists write learned treatise on the derivation of the > 'ninety-nine' nomenclature - some insist that the bars of chocolate > flake are 99mm.] They didn't make mms when 99s first appeared! ;-) SignatureJohn Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Qercus magazine & FD Games www.finnybank.com www.acornuser.com Qercus - a fusion of Acorn Publisher & Acorn User magazines :> History will no doubt remember her for inventing whippy ice cream and :> cancelling the national schools free milk program... : :This may be a simple case of two peoples separated by a common tongue, :but what is whippy ice cream? It sounds both kinky and decadent...the :sort of thing to keep feeding Ann Coulter so she won't speak. Oh, I don't think you'd feed it to her. Like the Bill Cosby routine "Tonsils", it sounds more appropriate to smear it ... all over her body.... ;-) > > History will no doubt remember her for inventing whippy ice cream and > > cancelling the national schools free milk program... > This may be a simple case of two peoples separated by a common tongue, > but what is whippy ice cream? It sounds both kinky and decadent...the > sort of thing to keep feeding Ann Coulter so she won't speak. It's plasticised air sold as an alternative to real ice cream. It has no taste and no food value but because it's not frozen it can be dispensed at speed in order to maximise profits. SignatureJohn Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Qercus magazine & FD Games www.finnybank.com www.acornuser.com Qercus - a fusion of Acorn Publisher & Acorn User magazines > > > History will no doubt remember her for inventing whippy ice cream and > > > cancelling the national schools free milk program... [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > taste and no food value but because it's not frozen it can be dispensed at > speed in order to maximise profits. I am led to believe that Mrs Thatcher's contribution is the use of pork fat as an emulsifying agent. SignatureWilliam Black ------------------ Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government "Bryn Fraser" wrote in message > In message hippo writes > > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > History will no doubt remember her for inventing whippy ice cream and > cancelling the national schools free milk program... She will naturally prefer the US histories where she will be lionized as the iron maiden standing in the ruins of the Evil Empire and vast dumps of broken up nuclear weapons. History usually wants the big picture where the entire world is effected. Milk cartons do not usually make it into print unless, of course, it is her wee minded pink-panty-wearing opposition writing it. It's great pulling your nose again. :^) -the Troll The ragamuffin cadre of sorry-arsed Brits -- [which is certainly NOT ALL the Brits we have here] -- pretty much uniformly Left-Wing and yearning for a Socialist Britain -- all seem to want to focus on the DOMESTIC records and accomplishments of their Prime Ministers -- NOT the FOREIGN POLICY accomplishments. So, we see this sort of puerile trivia about "whippy ice cream." It seems to be a matter of how much the PM enlarged the PUBLIC TEAT they so love to suck on, OR reduced it ---- ergo, that's all they worry about. REAL BRITS have other, more important, priorities. "Look George, this is no time to go wobbly. We can't fall at the first fence"-- or words to that effect -- one of Lady Thatcher's greatest lines. [3 August 1990 -- to Bush 41] D. Spencer Hines Lux et Veritas et Libertas Vires et Honor | > History will no doubt remember her for inventing whippy ice cream | > and cancelling the national schools free milk program... [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] | pink-panty-wearing opposition writing it. It's great pulling | your nose again. :^) -the Troll >"Bryn Fraser" wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] >unless, of course, it is her wee minded pink-panty-wearing opposition >writing it. It's great pulling your nose again. :^) -the Troll You are far too reasonable for this place... Nice to see you.. *#;-) SignatureBrian Fraser Lovett-White http://www.finhall.demon.co.uk http://thefrasers.com > History will no doubt remember her for inventing whippy ice cream We once did an analysis at school. Totally without any food value... SignatureJohn Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Qercus magazine & FD Games www.finnybank.com www.acornuser.com Qercus - a fusion of Acorn Publisher & Acorn User magazines >> History will no doubt remember her for inventing whippy ice cream > >We once did an analysis at school. Totally without any food value... AH! But nothing in it to do you any immediate harm! SignatureBrian Fraser Lovett-White http://www.finhall.demon.co.uk http://thefrasers.com >> History will no doubt remember her for inventing whippy ice cream > >We once did an analysis at school. Totally without any food value... Many of the rest of the Conservative party are fond of a bit of whippy as well. How do you condense the film "Seven " into ten minutes? Have the killer murder a Tory MP. -- Julian Richards medieval "at" richardsuk.f9.co.uk Usenet is how from the comfort of your own living room, you can converse with people that you would never want in your house. THIS MESSAGE WAS POSTED FROM SOC.HISTORY.MEDIEVAL > Chuckle, all you lefties want from government is a big nurturing tit to suck > on. Instead the majority chose a leader with a brain and guts which were > both more needed at the time. Then how did Thatcher and Reagan get into office? Let me guess -- the Supreme Court! SignatureDrew ---- We have an appointment with life in the present moment. If we miss the present moment, we miss our appointment with life." - Thich Nhat Hanh > > Chuckle, all you lefties want from government is a big nurturing tit to > suck [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Then how did Thatcher and Reagan get into office? Let me guess -- the > Supreme Court! A good trick when there is no Supreme Court in the UK Keith > > Then how did Thatcher and Reagan get into office? Let me guess -- the > > Supreme Court! > > A good trick when there is no Supreme Court in the UK But there is the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council which serves as one, does it not? -- Andrew Chaplin SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO (If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.) > > > Then how did Thatcher and Reagan get into office? Let me guess -- the > > > Supreme Court! [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > But there is the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council which serves > as one, does it not? The Appellate Committee of the House of Lords is the highest court of appeak in the UK as I recall and of course has no say in the selection of PM. The legal fiction is that the first minister is selected by the Monarch, the reality is that its the leader of the party which can command a majority in the commons. Keith > The Appellate Committee of the House of Lords is > the highest court of appeak in the UK as I recall > and of course has no say in the selection of PM. What happened to the JCPC? -- Andrew Chaplin SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO (If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.) >> The Appellate Committee of the House of Lords is >> the highest court of appeak in the UK as I recall >> and of course has no say in the selection of PM. > >What happened to the JCPC? It is still around, but, being a Committee of the Council, it is debarred, by the legislation of the 1640s which abolished the Star Chamber, from having any competence, whether by way of appeal or otherwise, in matters which are tried by the normal courts within the UK. For what it actually does, see http://www.privy-council.org.uk/output/Page32.asp SignatureDon Aitken Mail to the addresses given in the headers is no longer being read. To mail me, substitute "clara.co.uk" for "freeuk.com". > It is still around, but, being a Committee of the Council, it is > debarred, by the legislation of the 1640s which abolished the Star > Chamber, from having any competence, whether by way of appeal or > otherwise, in matters which are tried by the normal courts within the > UK. For what it actually does, see > http://www.privy-council.org.uk/output/Page32.asp Neat. Someone a few weeks back was asking why a Canadian historian would be interested in AHB. The JCPC was, until 1947 amendments to the Supreme Court Act, the court of last resort for Canada. Some of its judgements are still controvertial, notably that of Hankey around 1910 that effectively accepted the compact view of confederation, while others were sensible slap in the face for the Canadian establishment, such as the so-called "Persons Case" that ruled that the SCC had erred when it decided that women were not persons and could not be appointed to the Senate. These were major intersects of Canadian and British history that produced impacts still felt today. -- Andrew Chaplin SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO (If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.) > >> The Appellate Committee of the House of Lords is > >> the highest court of appeak in the UK as I recall [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Mail to the addresses given in the headers is no longer being > read. To mail me, substitute "clara.co.uk" for "freeuk.com". Prize Courts are mentioned at the bottom of the cited page. Does Britain still have them? Joe [irrelavant groups chopped] >> >> The Appellate Committee of the House of Lords is >> >> the highest court of appeak in the UK as I recall [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >Prize Courts are mentioned at the bottom of the cited page. Does Britain >still have them? I believe that Prize Courts (which apply the international law of the sea, not English or Scottish law) can sit only during time of formally declared war. They certainly sat during WWI, and, I think, during WWII as well. The UK has not been in a state of war since 1945. SignatureDon Aitken Mail to the addresses given in the headers is no longer being read. To mail me, substitute "clara.co.uk" for "freeuk.com". >> > Chuckle, all you lefties want from government is a big nurturing tit to >> suck [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >A good trick when there is no Supreme Court in the UK Yet! SignatureBrian Fraser Lovett-White http://www.finhall.demon.co.uk http://thefrasers.com >> Chuckle, all you lefties want from government is a big nurturing tit to >suck [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Then how did Thatcher and Reagan get into office? Let me guess -- the >Supreme Court! The way that democracy really works well is that there is always a left (of sorts) and a right (of sorts). One is in power until it loses its way and then it is elected out. It then has to set its house in order so that it can be re-elected when time is up for its opponents. Both of the above were elected for the first time when their opposition got themselves into a muddle. They stayed in power for as long as they did due to the length of time that it took their opponents to regroup. In the UK case, at least, the Conservatives were defeated after quite some time by a radical reform of the Labour party. For them to regain power, they may well have to reform quite considerably even from where they are now. -- Julian Richards medieval "at" richardsuk.f9.co.uk Usenet is how from the comfort of your own living room, you can converse with people that you would never want in your house. THIS MESSAGE WAS POSTED FROM SOC.HISTORY.MEDIEVAL |
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