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Denial Mode by Military authority of photographic evidence

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Michael O'Neill - 30 Apr 2004 10:35 GMT
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/27/60II/main614063.shtml

"I think two things. No. 1, this is a small minority of the military, and
No. 2, they need to understand that this is not the army," says Kimmitt.
"The Army is a values based organization. We live by our values. Some of
our soldiers every day die by our values, and these acts that you see in
these pictures may reflect the actions of individuals, but by God, it
doesn't reflect my army."

Oh but it does, Mr. Kimmitt, it does.

Mark Kimmitt is a Brigadier General, deputy director of coalition
operations in Iraq.

In my opinion he is a man unqualified ot hold that position in wartime.

He is a stooge, a front man for those higher-ups who sanctioned this.

One of the accused is Army Reserve Staff Sergeant Chip Frederick.

"Frederick says Americans came into the prison. "We had military
intelligence, we had all kinds if other government agencies, FBI, CIA...
All those that I didn't even know or recognise.""

"Frederick's letters and email messages home also offer clues to problems
at the prison. He wrote that he was helping the interrogators:

""Military intelligence has encouraged us and told us 'Great job'".

"They usually don't allow others to watch them interrogate, but since
they like the way I run the prison, they have made an exception."

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This echoes the defense of those who worked at the concentration camps in
Germany during the war. "I was only doing my job."

Military intelligence allegedly approved this.

If that is so, then for doing this job *so well*, including killing an
inmate, this man should hang, just like the Germans did, and his
superiors above him, all the way to the top.

"Only a minority are doing this" is another lame defense. That's good,
because trying to fit 100,000 American soldiers could present a small
difficulty. Only a minority can get in the door. Yet this minority was
allegedly vetted, inspected and approved of by US Military Intelligence.
That trails all the way back to the Pentagon, the CIA, the FBI, the 40
Committee, and the Oval Office.

This equals the worst Serbian atrocities, at which the world was rightly
disgusted. The use of torture on defenseless inmates, the use of rape as
a means of intimidation, the use of animals on Muslim prisoners.

Doe anyone today doubt the culpability of the Serb leadership?

Does anyone today doubt that Hitler knew of the conditions at the camps,
the torture, rape and the extermination of the Jews?

No?

Then let no one doubt that George Bush knew about this.

Let's see America apply the Nuremberg Judgment to its own troops and
chain of command.

Let us Impeach this evil, Godless, gutless regime.

M.
IceCandyMan - 30 Apr 2004 10:45 GMT
> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/27/60II/main614063.shtml
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> M.

We cannot be seen to be either active or passive supporters of American
tactics in Iraq.

Americans filming naked Iraqi prisoners in doggy positions in the jails that
Saddam Hussein made infamous, will not go down well in the Arab world.

Let's get out now.   This was America's war; not ours.
Michael O'Neill - 30 Apr 2004 16:06 GMT
> > http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/27/60II/main614063.shtml
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> > M.

> We cannot be seen to be either
> active or passive supporters of American
> tactics in Iraq.

We are all active supporters.

No one said *no* to them using Shannon.

Britain climbed aboard the war wagon in the hope of sharing the gravy.

I don't think that is what is going to happen.

There appears to be a wider agenda here.

> Americans filming naked Iraqi prisoners
> in doggy positions in the jails that
> Saddam Hussein made infamous, will
> not go down well in the Arab world.
>
> Let's get out now.   This was America's war; not ours.

This isn't about the photographs.

This is about the torture.

M.
 
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