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Auschwitz is Nonsense

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kilgore trout - 17 Oct 2005 02:36 GMT
L’Express, one of France's most influential
magazines similar to Time or Newsweek acknowledges
that "everything is false" about the Auschwitz
"gas chamber for decades shown to tens of
thousands of tourists yearly". - L’Express Jan.
19-25, 1995. pp 54-73

AN AMERICAN OFFICER SPEAKS OUT

"I was in Dachau for 17 months after the war, as a
U.S War Department Attorney, and can state that
there were no gas chambers at Dachau. What was
shown to visitors and sightseers there and
erroneously described as a gas chamber was a
crematory. Nor was there a gas chamber in any
other the other concentration camps in Germany.

We were told that there was a gas chamber at
Auschwitz, but since this was in the Russian zone
of occupation, we were not permitted to
investigate since the Russians would not allow it.
From what I was able to determine in six years of
post-war Germany and Austria, there were a number
of Jews killed, but the figure of a million was
certainly never reached.

I interviewed thousands of Jews, former inmates of
concentration camps in Germany and Austria, and
consider myself as well qualified on the subject
as any man." - Stephen F.Pinter, Sunday Visitor,
Jun. 14, 1959.
Dudhorse - 17 Oct 2005 06:09 GMT
... and the point is??

> L’Express, one of France's most influential magazines similar to Time or
> Newsweek acknowledges that "everything is false" about the Auschwitz "gas
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> Germany and Austria, and consider myself as well qualified on the subject
> as any man." - Stephen F.Pinter, Sunday Visitor, Jun. 14, 1959.
Kenneth McVay OBC - 17 Oct 2005 08:25 GMT
>... and the point is??

...that he wants us to hate Jews.

(He's not very good at it.)
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Kenneth McVay OBC - 17 Oct 2005 08:24 GMT
>L’Express, one of France's most influential
>magazines similar to Time or Newsweek acknowledges
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>crematory. Nor was there a gas chamber in any
>other the other concentration camps in Germany.

Wrong. (Can you say "Hadamar?")

>We were told that there was a gas chamber at
>Auschwitz, but since this was in the Russian zone
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>of Jews killed, but the figure of a million was
>certainly never reached.

Same old crap from another gutter trash racist.

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Robert Cohen - 17 Oct 2005 14:40 GMT
This is a survivor's subjective account of his personal
experiences/reality of the Holocaust that was recently in my local
morning newspaper:

I am not linking it to argue whether it is true, or a
distortion/exaggeration of fact.

His  perception of flames from a "gas chamber" is probably of the
flames from a death factory's furnace:

People were often (apparently)
gassed in fake "showers"  and often their bodies were (apparently)
cremated.

But whether people are murdered by gassing, shooting, burning alive,
starving, disease, working-to-death or
exactly how is not my issue as such; and  I do not dwell in such
grusome detail.

I personally do not go to the Holocaust Museum, nor did I watch that
Speiberg dramatization.

The only reason that I'm re-posting this article is...uh.... ya know
the
damne barbers over-charge for haircuts nowadays: I recall when it was
75 cents for a real neat flat-top.

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http://www.ajc.com/news/content/living/1005/05real.html

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'I survive on miracles'
Evicted barber draws strength from past
Robert Cohen - 18 Oct 2005 01:13 GMT
This is an interview of Professor Deborah Lipstadt, who defeated
Revisionist Historian David Irving in a libel lawsuit in Britain a few
years ago.

http://www.jcpa.org/phas/phas-11.htm

Lipstadt discusses some of the history and the apparent
motive/rationale/thinking/excuse of the denier: To create/claim a
morality equivalence between their beloved NAZIS and the
victims/opponents/Allies.

Whether there were actual formal gas chambers and lampshades made of
Jewish skin are (imho) red herrings or distractors.

(I would think the NAZIS systematically attempted to murder, burn,
cover-up, and deny including gas chambers/murder-rooms/devices, bodies,
and eye-witnesses.)

Here's a question, because I do not know the answer.

Does L'EXPRESS hold/advocate/find there to be an overall
exaggeration/lie about the numbers whom were murdered?

If so, then what figures/numbers does L'EXPRESS
accept/estimate/hold/find/believe are correct?

Another question to try to ascertain its editorial slant/position:

Does/did L'EXPRESS seem to defend Klaus Barbie, Eichman etal?
kilgore trout - 28 Oct 2005 18:42 GMT
> This is an interview of Professor Deborah Lipstadt, who defeated
> Revisionist Historian David Irving in a libel lawsuit in Britain a few
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>
> Does/did L'EXPRESS seem to defend Klaus Barbie, Eichman etal?

Im not sure about Lexpress, but I think what
bothers most people regarding totals is this.There
are plaques at AUschwitz showing total deaths.
Originally the plaque said around 4 million+, then
a new one was put up in excess of 2million, the
last one I believe is 1million+. I have heard that
this one is soon to be replaced with a figure
showing less than a million. Noone disputes the
suffering at these camps. It is just this...I am
of Irish and German extraction. If someone told me
that the figurees for the potato famine were
wrong..I wouldnt go crazy and threaten them. I
think I would be glad. To me it is bad news
anytime a war crime is committed.Isnt it a relief
when we find that it was exaggerated. I dont like
to think that people are evil.
The problem however is of a political nature. Now
that the Iron Curtain has fallen, a lot of
heretofore hidden stuff is being exposed.
Kenneth McVay OBC - 29 Oct 2005 00:06 GMT
[...]

>Im not sure about Lexpress, but I think what
>bothers most people regarding totals is this.There
>are plaques at AUschwitz showing total deaths.

Which Western historians ignored, as they did the supposed 4 million deaths cited by the
Soviets. The number was never used as part of the estimated Jewish deaths during the
period.

>Originally the plaque said around 4 million+, then
>a new one was put up in excess of 2million, the
>last one I believe is 1million+. I have heard that

There have only been two, to my knowledge. The first was never taken seriously by anyone
but the communists, and it was based upon the crematorial capacity shown on the design
documents under ideal conditions. The fact that the crematoria never reached anything
near such capacity seems to escaped the Russians.

>showing less than a million. Noone disputes the
>suffering at these camps. It is just this...I am
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>that the Iron Curtain has fallen, a lot of
>heretofore hidden stuff is being exposed.

Have you explained this to the victorious Soviets, and told them they were being naughty?

After all, they're the only ones who ever exaggerated the number.

For more extensive information, see http://tinyurl.com/75n86

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