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History Forum / General / General Topics / October 2005Ten Reasons For Silence By Moslems About Terrorism
This is an essay by a Roger Cohen, which may be of interest to all. http://select.nytimes.com/iht/2005/10/26/international/IHT-26globalist.html?8hpib Meanwhile: Here's an interrelated angle by me: This is an inter-connected, inner-dynamic World. The globalist-oriented essayist doesn't bring-in the relatively paltry (imho) response to Pakistan earthquake relief to the complexity of abstract rationalisms; but that's the most timely tangible illustrative example demonstrating our ultimate inter-dependence that I'd explicitly pursue with Moslems in mutual interest. >This is an essay by a Roger Cohen, which may be of interest to all. > >http://select.nytimes.com/iht/2005/10/26/international/IHT-26globalist.html?8hpib They want money for that! Such a deal, forget it. >Meanwhile: Here's an interrelated angle by me: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >example demonstrating our ultimate inter-dependence that I'd >explicitly pursue with Moslems in mutual interest. -- Best, Frederick Martin McNeill Poway, California, United States of America mmcneill@fuzzysys.com http://www.fuzzysys.com http://members.cox.net/fmmcneill ************************* Phrase of the week : "If you mixed, say, two or three-day-old rotting flesh with manure you would get pretty close." Jeremy Prentice, curator of Melbourne's Royal Botanical Gardens, describing the smell of the flowering orchid, Bulbophyllum fletcherianum (ABC News, 26 August) :-))))Snort!) ************************************** > >This is an essay by a Roger Cohen, which may be of interest to all. > > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > http://www.fuzzysys.com > http://members.cox.net/fmmcneill New York Times wants you to be a member and sign in to veiw the article, I never realized that the times was so suicidal as to push potential customers away, continue the boycott! Meanwhile the competition lets you in for free. > ************************* > Phrase of the week : > "If you mixed, say, two or three-day-old rotting flesh with manure you would get pretty close." > Jeremy Prentice, curator of Melbourne's Royal Botanical Gardens, describing the smell of the flowering orchid, Bulbophyllum fletcherianum (ABC News, 26 August) > :-))))Snort!) > ************************************** > New York Times wants you to be a member and sign in to veiw the article, It's actually a little worse than that. It appears as though simply signing-up (providing email, address,etc) will give you access. Once you do that, you find out you need to pay to belong to the service to get access. That's a little slimey > > New York Times wants you to be a member and sign in to veiw the article, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > That's a little slimey Actually its rather ignorant since there are so many news outlets that give it for free. The Wall Street Journal seems to be about the only rag worth buying online presently, but this may change. There is a media item reported that (some of?) the UN earthquake relief aid copters will be shut-down, because there is inadequate funds for fuel: I don't recall the specific source, television or wherever. Tell me it's not the ultimate in absurdism, especially if it's an accurate report. The FEMA mentality is not unique to the United States; it's trans civilizational. Bret Cahill Reportedly: Recently the leader of Iran in their annual anti-Israel rally reaffirmed Ayatollah Khomeni's anti-zionism stance. Asked to withdraw his urging of the destruction of Israel, the leader refused. A couple of very courageous Moslem leaders (of Palestine & Egypt) have criticized the Iranian leader's incendiary speech as counter-productive to the interest/betterment of all people. Israel is asking the UN to condemn the Iranian leader's speech. My reaction: It will be interesting for me to see how the UN reacts (probably diplomatically finesses with typically ambiguous language) because it will dynamically influence what I think: For instance: If the UN General Assembly votes to censure/codemn the (very implied) death-urging language in the politician's speech, then I'm for helping their Pakistan relief effort, and I hope to acknowledge it subsequently in this thread. In other words, what I'm trying herein to rationalize/separate: One may be politically for/against zionism, because there are opposing rational cases to be made; though seeking its violent erasure from the map/globe is not the same as holding a moral/political point of view against Israel in principle. I am also a relativist, pragmatist, agnostic, and utililitarian as approximately half of the Israelis seem to me to be. I myself hold a political/moral view about the Iran regime: I consider it immoral & regressive, though not totally unlike most of its similarly backward neighbors. "Terrorism is impossible," says Lacan; however, according to la Tournier, it is not so much terrorism that is impossible, but rather the futility, and eventually the stasis, of terrorism. But Debord's critique of premodern Islamic theory suggests that Islam is part of the genre of culture, but only if sexuality is distinct from truth; if that is not the case, culture is capable of truth. The main theme of von Ludwig's essay on Islam is a neomodern reality. "Society is intrinsically a terrorist fiction," says Sartre. It could be said that Derrida uses the term 'terrorist discourse' to denote the difference between sexual identity and class. The subject is contextualised into a cultural nihilism that includes consciousness as a whole. But any number of discourses concerning the role of the reader as terrorist may be discovered. The premise of terrorist discourse holds that Islam is part of the dialectic of narrativity. -Dr. Frab Timov http://timov.artshost.com/ > This is an essay by a Roger Cohen, which may be of interest to all. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > example demonstrating our ultimate inter-dependence that I'd > explicitly pursue with Moslems in mutual interest. Terrorism exists because the terrorists know that weak countries like France will fold under any pressure. As long as France exists, terrorism will exist. The Syrian leader today announced that Israel must be destroyed completely. France has said nothing. re: NY TIMES copyright The NY TIMES recently laid-off or reduced in force or whatever 500 employees according to EDITOR & PUBLISHER. Yes, they must exist here in the virtual world (or whatever cliche it is that I'm trying to convey); while they also have a profit-seeking company with employees with children's stomachs to feed. So, in the special/preferred/"select" reports they decide to now get $50 USD a year, and they throw-in the NYT archives with full access. So, I urge everyone to at least sign-up for the 14 day free trial. But if ya don't, then just please try to read the Roger Cohen essay somewhere else, such as a paper that gets the syndicated stuff, or at a decent real library branch that gets the real NY TIMES. To--Fred You miss my point. The concept of globalism is supposed to be win-win. When there is natural catastrophe, an "international community" concept can tangibly work if all parties understand that we're here on a delicate, lonely blue ball spinning in space, and/or that Allah/G-d/Buddha/deities is everybody's protector b-t-w, including "the people of the book" as is a phrase for Jews amongst some Moslems. The obvious idea is that one-world has its pragmatic reason-to-be. It's a rather obvious rational emotion for each & every person on Earth to hold. While it's not taught in every foolish fundamentalist madrassa or yeshiva or parochial school room, the Paki earthquake disaster has to be a prime example in which the facilities, supplies, logistics and advanced technologies of the West should be fully employed. But perhaps the West is supposedly "donor fatigued," and thus I perceive not doing everything it would/should be doing if we (the people of the world) better understood the necessity of mutuality. > Robert Cohen: > re: NY TIMES copyright > > The NY TIMES recently laid-off or reduced in force or whatever 500 > employees according to EDITOR & PUBLISHER. it would seem like we are in a politically busy period at the moment. so why'd you think the NY times laid off 500 people? turtoni I think it has something to do with France... < so why'd you think the NY times laid off 500 people? The fancy office tower was only affordable with the high tax Clinton economic boom. It must REALLY suck to be a writer for the _NY Times_ and know your days above the unwashed masses are numbered, yet you still must hype nonsense that undermines your own post _Times_ future. Bret Cahill A story about the storyers: http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id= 1001140229 Terrorists know GOP chickenhawks are too chicken sh-t to enlist. Terrorists read these newsgroups and see the GOP cowards dodge the question: Why won't you enlist? Bret Cahill For the last 3 years in a row, France has captured and prosecuted more terrorists than any other country (according to Jane's Intelligence Report). While the United States makes lots of noise, throws hundreds and billions of dollars around, and chases phantom WMD's in the sand dunes of Iraq, France has quietly been the most effective country at actually fighting terrorism. Thus, your French-bashing is about as sea-worthy as a wet sponge. The only difference between France and America is in France the idle scribbling blowhards in France aren't in control of the government. A large and growing majority of American agree with the majority of French. The Iraqi quagmire was a dumb idea. Bret Cahill "France is every American's second country." -- Jefferson That is not the Syrian leader Esad, but the Iranian president Ahmedinecad. You don't even know who said what. Why am i going to take you for serious? |
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