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HISTORIAN ARRESTED FOR DENYING HOLOCAUST

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Dr. Jai Maharaj - 18 Nov 2005 02:22 GMT
Historian Charged With Denying Holocaust

By William J. Kole, Associated Press Writer
The Associated Press
Thursday, November 17, 2005

Vienna, Austria - Right-wing British historian David
Irving, who once famously said that Adolf Hitler knew
nothing about the systematic slaughter of 6 million Jews,
has been arrested in Austria on a warrant accusing him of
denying the Holocaust.

Irving, 67, was detained Nov. 11 in the southern province
of Styria on a warrant issued in 1989 under Austrian laws
making Holocaust denial a crime, police Maj. Rudolf
Gollia, a spokesman for the Interior Ministry, said
Thursday.

Austrian media said the charges stemmed from speeches
Irving delivered that year in Vienna and in the southern
town of Leoben.

In a statement posted on his Web site, Irving's
supporters said he was arrested while on a one-day visit
to Vienna, where they said he had been invited "by
courageous students to address an ancient university
association."

Despite precautions taken by Irving, he was arrested by
police who allegedly learned of his visit "by wiretaps or
intercepting e-mails," the statement alleged. It said
that en route to Austria, Irving had privately visited
German playwright Rolf Hochhuth, a friend he had not seen
in 20 years.

Hochhuth has gained notoriety for plays criticizing the
Allies' bombing campaigns during World War II as war
crimes and characterizing Winston Churchill as a war
criminal. Earlier this year, Hochhuth was criticized for
defending Irving as "an honorable man" and insisting he
was not a Holocaust denier.

Austrian authorities had no immediate comment on the
supporters' statement.

The Britain-based Holocaust Educational Trust
congratulated Austrian authorities on the arrest. Trust
chairman Lord Greville Janner, noting that Britain has no
such laws that make denying the Holocaust a crime,
praised the Austrians "for doing what our law should but
does not permit."

"I hope this will lead to a successful prosecution,"
Janner said.

Irving in the past has faced allegations of spreading
anti-Semitic and racist ideas. He is the author of nearly
30 books, including "Hitler's War," which challenges the
extent of the Holocaust.

Besides his assertion that Hitler knew nothing about the
Holocaust, he also has been quoted as saying there was
"not one shred of evidence" that the Nazis carried out
their "Final Solution" on such a scale.

The historian has said he does not deny that Jews were
killed by the Nazis, but he challenges the number and
manner of Jewish concentration camp deaths.

He has questioned the use of large-scale gas chambers to
exterminate the Jews and has claimed that the numbers of
those who perished are far lower than those generally
accepted. He also contends that most Jews who died at
Auschwitz did so from diseases like typhus, not gas
poisoning.

Irving remained in custody Thursday at a prison in Graz,
120 miles south of Vienna, the Austria Press Agency
reported, although that could not be confirmed.

If formally charged, tried and convicted, he could face
up to 20 years in prison, said Otto Schneider of the
public prosecutor's office.

But Schneider said it was unclear whether there were
sufficient legal grounds to continue holding Irving on
such a charge so many years after the alleged offense was
committed. A decision was expected by the end of next
week on how to proceed, Schneider said.

In March, more than 200 historians from around the world
petitioned C-SPAN to cancel a project that would have
included a speech by Irving as a counterpoint to a
lecture by Deborah Lipstadt, a renowned Holocaust expert
at Emory University.

Irving once sued Lipstadt for libel for calling him a
Holocaust denier, but his lawsuit was dismissed in 2000
by a British court, which ruled that Irving was anti-
Semitic and racist and misrepresented historical
information.

His film, "The Search for the Truth in History,"
triggered protests in Australia that led organizers of
the Melbourne Underground Film Festival to cancel a
screening.

Irving has had numerous run-ins with the law over the
years. In 1992, a judge in Germany fined him the
equivalent of $6,000 for publicly insisting the Nazi gas
chambers at Auschwitz were a hoax.

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Joe Anderson - 19 Nov 2005 11:33 GMT
My view on his arrest is that it goes against everything not being a
Nazi stands for: Free Speech.

Surely this is like the Catholic church executing people in the past
due to their scientific viewpoint.
Mysti Berry - 20 Nov 2005 19:59 GMT
> My view on his arrest is that it goes against everything not being a
> Nazi stands for: Free Speech.

Actually, the issue here would be lying your a.s off to support radical
right goals, and even in America, which, opposite the GDR, grants all
rights not named to the people (in the GDR, they are granted to the
state), you can't lie your a.s off in public and get away with it.

Austria has strong laws against things like denying the Holocaust
because so many people died there, in the Holocaust, and also, I think,
it was something required of them by the guys who won the war (Russia &
UK & US). You want to visit the "can't yell fire in a burning building"
parts of law school before waving the free speech flag.

They deported him from Austria once before for lying his a.s off in
pursuit of radical right goals.

> Surely this is like the Catholic church executing people in the past
> due to their scientific viewpoint.

No, it is like arresting a man who yells Fire in a crowded theatre. It's
like Hate Crime legislation. Saying millions of people weren't
exterminated in the very countries they were exterminated in is EXACTLY
like standing in front of a black man on an American street and shouting
racial epithets in his face. It damages the society, not just the person.

Mysti
Robert Cohen - 23 Nov 2005 01:23 GMT
re: Rolf Hochhuth

Well, well, well.

Circa mid 1960s, Rolf Hochhuth's infamous/controversial
play THE DEPUTY accused the Pope of collaboration/silence about
the mass murdering.

This World War II era
Pope is up for sainthood, and let's see what happens in the 21st
century.

So, it's velly interesting here in 2005 that the author seems to be
playing the Holocaust-denial side of the street (?).

Perhaps, Hochhuth has been having liquor/
schnaps with Finkelstein and/or Irving, re-living the good ole sixties
when he was
so publicized negatively too.

When you're old like me, you may recall that so & so was a such & such;
but today he consorts & defends the unsuch & unsuch.

My humble guess off the top of my head w/o knowing anything else:

Hocchhuth defends a Salman Rushdie or an Irving, because he's been
there/done that, as a matter of free speech (not pro-NAZIism).

If Hocchhuth has converted to fascism/nazi-shite, then that would make
an interesting play to mock--a Mel Brooks musical.

I saw THE DEPUTY, and was too young
and thus bored with the complex thing.

It wasn't as good as AUNTIE MAME which I saw when young too.

This has been another lesson of HISTORY IN MY TIME, and so
tune-in the next time for more if ya dare.

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John Gilmer - 26 Nov 2005 03:00 GMT
> > My view on his arrest is that it goes against everything not being a
> > Nazi stands for: Free Speech.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> rights not named to the people (in the GDR, they are granted to the
> state), you can't lie your a.s off in public and get away with it.

At some point the children and the grandchildren (&c) of those who actually
ordered the victims into the camps ordered and carried out the executions
will finally decide making one particular slander against the dead a VERY
serious crime is downright silly.
 
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