American expansionism
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Michael - 19 Feb 2006 16:14 GMT When did the USA last expand? Has the USA been shrinking? Have any USA territories or land or whatever separated from the USA in the last hundred years or so?
How much property did the USA gain in the 20th century? How much did it give up?
Rants on imperialism are welcome, of course, but that's not exactly what I have in mind.
Thank you, Michael
kilgore trout - 20 Feb 2006 03:11 GMT > When did the USA last expand? Has the USA been shrinking? Have > any USA territories or land or whatever separated from the USA in the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Thank you, Michael The US has gained innumerable Military BAses in Germany, France,JApan, England. The ones in Germany are quite active. The Hospitals there handle all Iraqi casualoties and wounds before they are shipped here. I think we have the pipeline in the MidEast pretty much sewed up with bases up and down the length.We are not really looking for wide expanses for sod busters anymore. Strategic locations on valued property, thats the ticket. Dont you think the Germans could use that land for themselves? They have a crowded country. Especially now since we have forced them to allow all of these VietNamers and other trash in. Its funny, but how come there are more Asian refugees in Germany than in Japan? The Japs take none. They do not want any races except Japanese making babies on Nippon. Its a shame we cant do that.
Robert Cohen - 20 Feb 2006 16:05 GMT re: USA expansionism, oops, not the exact answer Mr. U.S. History is giving-out A's for
10. "Manifest Destiny" versus DHL versus United Parcel vs Federal Express as in "please sign or print on the destiny"
9. James K. Polk was no polky imperialist
8. Hearst's last words,"rose-bud," have nuthing much to do with "Remember the Maine"
7. Boca Raton wants its independence from Tallahassee, and the shutting-down of that annoying fast food place,on the beach the kids use for practicing getting-bombed
6. Cuba's 99 year lease: Isn't Gitmo up for non-renewal soon?
5. The Philipinnes: Spell it correctly or it'll slide away
4. The Monroe Matic Doctrine: No Hollywood cut-out mufflers on cars at that noisy junque feed place in Boca
3.Speaking of washing away: The Gulf Coast & New Orleans
2. They sold Alaska to Seward for delicious ice box pie, ahelluva lot better than borcht,potatoes and smelly barley soup,
1. Afghanistan, believe it or not, was previously considered a State Dept in-house joke in international affairs/relations
Scaly Lizard - 21 Feb 2006 02:00 GMT >When did the USA last expand? Has the USA been shrinking? Have >any USA territories or land or whatever separated from the USA in the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Thank you, Michael In 1912, the 48 "lower" US states expanded for the last time, as the Gadsden Purchase extended Arizona and New Mexico a few miles southward. This controversial settlement of the Mexican-American War a half-century earlier was finalized when the Arizona Territory became the state of Arizona on February 14th, 1912.
In 1959, the US admitted Hawaii and Alaska to statehood.
As far as "gained property" by occupation, we've given almost all of it back.
At the start of the 20th Century, we had "gained" Cuba, the Philippines and much of the Caribbean from the Spanish- American War. We gave it all to independence movements, save Guantanamo Bay in Cuba.
From WWI, we "gained" portions of Europe by virtue of occupation, but with the Treaty Of Versailles we gave it all back.
In WWII, we "gained" Japan, Micronesia and Melanesia in the East, and in the West: half of mainland Europe and parts of North Africa. We gave it all back, save some bases in Germany, Okinawa, Oceania and the UK.
During various Asian wars, we "gained" 99% of Korea (then lost half to China), got 90% of Vietnam (then lost half to Russia and gave up on the other half), and held parts of Cambodia, Laos and Thailand briefly. Everything we conquered, we gave back.
More recently, we have "gained" Afghanistan and Iraq, and now we certainly want to give them back too (LOL!).
So the simple answer is that 1912 was the last time the USA expanded into new territory, and 1959 was the last time we expanded the republic.
The complicated answer is that 99.99% of the millions of acres the US has "gained" by conquest in the last 100+/- years has been given away to native peoples.
The list of countries we "owned" is large:
Panama, Grenada, Cuba, Haiti, Dominica, Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico, Liberia, Algeria, Libya, Egypt, Italy, France (twice), Germany (twice), Netherlands, Belgium, Lichtenstein, Luxembourg, Monaco, Denmark, Norway, Greenland, San Marino, Croatia, Bosnia, Iraq, Lebanon, Kuwait, Afghanistan, Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam, Korea, Japan, Micronesia, Melanesia, Oceania, Samoa, Okinawa, Taiwan, Phillippines, Matsu, Hawaii, Alaska, et cetera.
All have been given back, except Hawaii and Alaska, Samoa, VI, and Puerto Rico. And we left some bases in other places to make sure we wouldn't have to fight wars there again.
Of the ones we still own, Puerto Rico has to make a choice that it has been reticent to make: statehood, independence or protectorate?
SL
Michael - 21 Feb 2006 11:36 GMT Scaly Lizard,
Thank you for taking the time to answer my post. Without covering hundreds of pages of history text, it would have been impossible for me to come up it.
Again, thank you.
Michael
Robert Cohen - 22 Feb 2006 02:59 GMT re: Scaly Makes An Overwhelming Case Regarding Traditional Imperialism--though may I humbly add this qualification/: caveat?
As I interpret the negative criticism of the left/the Noam Chomsky interpretation of reality regarding U.S.imperialism:
THE NATION etal would seemingly hold "neo-imperialism" as a kind of modern,post 1950s subtle version of what regular or traditional imperialism had bluntly been.
The favorite word/rhetoric of the Left today seems to be "corporatism" or "corporationism."
To gain insight/understand the argument:
The student might visit:
IN THESE TIMES THE PROGRESSIVE Alexander Cockburn's publication (nasty anti-zionist merde)
In the meantime, my reader, here's my unwashed slant.
The USA is perhaps something of a CONSUMER colony...
a ..."colony" of mainland China and of OPEC in that the theory/practice of "mutual advantage" for global trade is "win-win" in its most ideal form, but:
When China refuses to up-value its currency to a "fair" figure, then....a monkey wrench is being thrown into the ideal of world trade.
Tom & Milton Friedman could not acknowledge the emperor as naked truth, but I am.
So far as OPEC: Unless there is much more COMPETITION in fuel & energy, the U.S. is to be at the social-political-economic mercy of the oil exporters.
I suppose it's too far gone & late in the game now.
Efforts since 1973 amount to tokenism, b.s., and much charade imho.
Our U.S. leadership's in understanding/solving the oil petrol-dollar interdependency catch 22 has been mal-adaptive.
The example of today's Iranian culture and politics sort of make a COLONIAL-IN-REVERSE reality of fact imho.
If I distort & exaggerate, which I hopefully probably do, then please ask me to explain a little further my very harsh/tragic/pessimistic hypothesis about the oil--U.S. dollar interdependence catch 22.
Michael - 24 Feb 2006 01:52 GMT If I distort & exaggerate, which I hopefully probably do, then please ask me to explain a little further my very harsh/tragic/pessimistic hypothesis about the oil--U.S. dollar interdependence catch 22.
******************* Not at all distorted or exaggerated, Robert. It's rare and refreshing to find a voice of moderation and reason on the subject.
And yes, you correctly guessed my reason for asking. You devil.
Michael
Scaly Lizard - 22 Feb 2006 08:09 GMT >Scaly Lizard, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Michael Glad to help, but please don't rely on me as an "expert". I make my share of mistakes, so i'm just yakkin', ya know?
SL
steveo - 24 Feb 2006 06:52 GMT >>Scaly Lizard, >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Glad to help, but please don't rely on me as an "expert". > I make my share of mistakes, so i'm just yakkin', ya know? If you need a little more detailed info, I ran across this site which may be helpful. http://geography.about.com/od/politicalgeography/a/usboundary.htm It only details up to 1925.
From the CIA World Fact Book: http://www.odci.gov/cia/publications/factbook/fields/2068.html This lists all current US territorial possessions and associations.
steveo
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