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Why They Bash Israel & Ignore Sudan-Darfur

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Robert Cohen - 14 Apr 2006 23:47 GMT
My humble perceptions:

It's a propaganda/morality contest that the West & Israel are losing.

Since the Moslem media generally de-emphasize reporting about the
on-going alleged cruel/outrageous massive murdering & dis-placement
being orchestrated/supported by Sudan against Darfur, the street of
Araby & Persian is being warped/conditioned and thus being
intellectually & morally insulted by the sin of reporting
omission/suppression.

And do I think they'd really hate Israel any less if Darfur were
somehow actually exposed daily to them?

No, but at the least there might be some better self-knowing or
introspection, which could lead to less regress, or perhaps it wouldn't
matter and they'd feel no shame/anger concerning the alleged genocide
by Muslims against Muslim-Animists,
reportedly sometimes accompanied with rapes & racist epithets by
Janjaweed persecutors.

Alleged quote by a candid,
insightful Middle Eastern political scientist in NY TIMES article.

"Israel is the best issue they can point to in order to mobilize their
supporters," Mr. Zeidabadi said. "Israel has occupied part of the
Islamic and Arab land and the West supports it. This way they can
question the whole Western culture and say that what the West says
about democracy and human rights are lies and therefore what we have is
right. This argument gives legitimacy to the Iranian regime," he added.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/14/world/middleeast/14cnd-tehran.html?hp&ex=11450
73600&en=48f87dcb8a269e94&ei=5094&partner=homepage

Milan - 15 Apr 2006 00:35 GMT
> My humble perceptions:
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> intellectually & morally insulted by the sin of reporting
> omission/suppression.

I wonder who do you refer to by "Moslem media"?  A quick search in the UK
and US media indicates that the Darfur massacre gets frequent coverage. The
Guardian had 36 articles on it in the last 3 and a half months. The Times
had 22. The NY Times had 91 articles on the issue. The Washington Post had
50 articles in the last two months.

regards
Milan
Robert Cohen - 15 Apr 2006 02:17 GMT
re: what is "Muslim media"

By citing the secular media in Western Europe and North America, please
tell me what you are implying:

They're "Muslim media" because of their usual slants or political
positionings(?).

Okay, I think I get that rhetorical point !

To be less ambiguous & very serious:

The "Christian media," in my definition, would be the media in
Christian nations, or where the predominant religious affiliation is of
the religion.

Take this key Persian press service:

http://www.irna.ir/en/

Search the "Islamic Republic News Service" of Iran, utilizing any
combinations of
"Darfur," "Sudan," "Chad," "genocide," "conflict," "United Nations," et
cetera.

You will also find the news media in the Arab countries are also
generally silent about Darfur.

The better-informed people--sort of an elite,
well-educated class--about Darfur are not finding-out through the
large circulation native newspapers of their own Saudi Arabia, Syria,
Egypt, etal.

I presume they may
pass around some kinds
of samizadt or newsletters or e-mails
amongst themselves, or perhaps THE GUARDIAN itself etal.

I'm now also
curious about the reporting about Darfur in the major newspapers of:

Indonesia
Malaysia
Pakistan
Turkey
Bangladesh
and in the other predominantly Muslim countries

Please let me know what you are finding.

And please debunk
what I'm herein claiming/holding as cynical reality.

AL JAZEERA is both newspaper and tv.

Around 2003, AL JAZEERA was arrested/run-out of Sudan.

Why would you think AL JAZEERA
would be treated so?

Apparently, AL JAZEERA is courageously
reporting on the internet about Darfur:

I'd like to know if they're actually
reporting about Darfur on television/radio
and also in
their street newspaper(?)

I applaud them if they are.

I also saw  a brief item from a newspaper
in Lebanon that's reporting the Darfur ugliness, "200,000-400,000" mass
murderings, as I recall the item. I'm betting it's a
Christian-population oriented
newspaper, but I'm a cynic and want you to prove me wrong in what I'm
claiming here.

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Milan - 15 Apr 2006 12:16 GMT
> re: what is "Muslim media"
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> They're "Muslim media" because of their usual slants or political
> positionings(?).

Apologies. I misintepreted your post. There have been a number of posts that
call the "liberal" Western media "Muslim media", implying that they are
pro-Muslim, anti-Israel, etc. I assumed -incorrectly- that you were doing
the same. My mistake.

regards
Milan
Bret Cahill - 15 Apr 2006 14:51 GMT
> I applaud them if they are.

That plus 89 cents will get you a cup of coffee.  Of course, you could
get the cup of coffee with just the 89 cents.

When it comes to stopping genocide applause is pretty useless.

> I also saw  a brief item from a newspaper
> in Lebanon that's reporting the Darfur ugliness, "200,000-400,000" mass
> murderings, as I recall the item. I'm betting it's a
> Christian-population oriented
> newspaper, but I'm a cynic and want you to prove me wrong in what I'm
> claiming here.

I haven't done the first key word search for "Darfur" yet I already
know it is under reported in the "Muslim" media.  I know this because
they do the exact same thing in the U. S. media -- just on different
issues.

So the problem isn't restricted to Darfur being under reported in the
Muslim media but a lack of any rational basis to any coverage anywhere.

Is there even ONE large media outlet anywhere that can state their
issue coverage philosophy, how and why they hype some issues and bury
others?

The "important" flagburner issue really IS important.  It's important
for corp. and other monied interests to keep the public discussion off
free speech on economic issues.

Bret Cahill

"I've been a civil libertarian for 18 years and things just keep
getting worse.  I've been working SOOOO hard to figger it out and I
can't figger it out.  Phew!  Please send some more money so I can spend
the next 18 years working hard at not figgering it out."

-- dubious ACLU fund raising pitch
kilgore - 16 Apr 2006 22:57 GMT
>> My humble perceptions:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> regards
> Milan

Ive never heard of it.

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"All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed,
 second it is violently opposed,  &
  third, it is accepted as self-evident."

- Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860

kilgore - 16 Apr 2006 22:57 GMT
> My humble perceptions:
>
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/14/world/middleeast/14cnd-tehran.html?hp&ex=11450
73600&en=48f87dcb8a269e94&ei=5094&partner=homepage

Because Israel sucks.

Signature

"All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed,
 second it is violently opposed,  &
  third, it is accepted as self-evident."

- Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860

Robert Cohen - 17 Apr 2006 00:08 GMT
Schopenhauer, the Dale Carneigie Pollyanna Julie Andrews enjoyer of ice
skating shows-- because they're so nordic--states:

"Ya know I really really like the way my incarnatee kilgore
felicitates."
 
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