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shoemakerted@yahoo.com - 29 Jul 2006 01:05 GMT
Anybody care to recommend movies that deal with historical people and
events?

The movies can deal with any topic, any place in the world, any period
of history, any viewpoint.

To be more specific, I don't want Monty Python nor The Emperor's New
Groove, but rather something that is "reliable".  If my kids ages 11-16
watch the movies, they would not go wrong assuming that them to be
close approximations of what happened.

It wouldn't hurt for them to be interesting, either.

Thank you very much!

Ted Shoemaker
Bytes - 29 Jul 2006 01:19 GMT
Here's a list of about 300 critically acclaimed history films:
http://www.films101.com/historyr.htm

>Anybody care to recommend movies that deal with historical people and
>events?
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>Ted Shoemaker
Robert Cohen - 29 Jul 2006 02:28 GMT
These are my off-top-of-my-head comments, not intended as
professional-authoritative, please.

I do not know what I'm talking about, though as I re-read it, I note
that I may imply otherwise.

Most of the listed movies I frankly have not seen.

Confession: I am not the renaissance/all-around history buff I seem to
pretend here to try to be.

For instance: I never saw that Elizabeth Taylor CLEOPATRA overly-hyped
thing, and if it were on my Home Box Office tonight, I doubt I would
make the effort.

Everybody here I suppose realizes Hollywood depictions are  generally
scoffed-at, particularly by the scholars who aren't the well-paid
consultants of the film < gratuitous cynicism>.

I nevertheless respect y'all whom have seen so many of 'em.

So long as you can also spot some
lies/distortions/flaws/contradictions that is.

The big non-secret: The goal of a commercial Hollywood movie is neither
scholarship nor accuracy.

It's about presentation for box office & popcorn  renumeration.

Enjoying Johnny Depp's pirate impression  doesn't make ya a bad person,
so long as you're aware that you're probably being had/manipulated.

That''s why reading critical reviews ad nauseam has to be a prime
requisite for those trying to ascertain reality over fantasy.

"Entertaining historically accurate film" is not necessarily an
oxymoron, but is seemingly close damne enough.

Ted Turner's Civil War movie flopped ratings-wise, mainly because Ted
is not a cynical movie maker: They say he's a true Civil War buff, and
thus would not distort/over-simplify/lie.

Am I right or wrong? His film was "boring" though considered  fauirly
accurate stuff, or am I giving him too much credit?

I didn't watch it--sorry, I am not a big Civil War student:

It is such sadness, so why dwell in it?

The/a prophet of the electronic wired world--also known as the "Global
Village"--is Marshal McLuhan, a Canadian professor of ...something or
other.

He sort of predicts the end of "linear reading" or books.

Perhaps, perhaps.

Someday it'll mostly be internet digital 'education" and
"entertainment" reality, I suppose.

I suppose today that Hollywood movies still complement, supplement, and
enrich the conventional studies of histories.

There are some nevertheless fine  & scholarly "educational movies" not
listed on the list:

First comes to my mind is the Alistar Cooke series about the U.S.A.

> Here's a list of about 300 critically acclaimed history films:
> http://www.films101.com/historyr.htm
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> >Ted Shoemaker
William Black - 29 Jul 2006 10:16 GMT
> Anybody care to recommend movies that deal with historical people and
> events?
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>
> Thank you very much!

In fact 'Monty Python and the Holy Grail' was made by two highly qualified
medievalists,  one of whom has a couple of rather serious books in print.

It has all the good 'medieval jokes' in it and you do actually need to know
a reasonable amount of history to appreciate them.

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William Black

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

shoemakerted@yahoo.com - 29 Jul 2006 20:26 GMT
> In fact 'Monty Python and the Holy Grail' was made by two highly qualified
> medievalists,  one of whom has a couple of rather serious books in print.

Oh no.  You mean that people really smacked their heads with religious
books?  ;)
I'm only having fun here -- yes, there were many valid details in Holy
Grail, but at the same time it was so absurd.  Just don't tell me that
The Emperor's New Groove was made by a precolumbian expert.

Seriously -- thank you for your thoughtful responses.

Ted Shoemaker
Les Cargill - 29 Jul 2006 21:26 GMT
>>In fact 'Monty Python and the Holy Grail' was made by two highly qualified
>>medievalists,  one of whom has a couple of rather serious books in print.
>
> Oh no.  You mean that people really smacked their heads with religious
> books?  ;)

No, but people flagellated themselves. It's an absurdist
version of that.

> I'm only having fun here -- yes, there were many valid details in Holy
> Grail, but at the same time it was so absurd.

Right. But the Pythons surely were being more like
symbolist painters, ur surrealists. The movie itself
is more like "A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court" -
if nothing else, it shows how ridiculous some
of the more persistent myths were. It takes Le Morte d'Arthur
completely apart.

It may be a funny movie, but its central point
is deadly serious. In the companion disc
on the DVD, I beleive they said they worked for
five years on the script.

>  Just don't tell me that
> The Emperor's New Groove was made by a precolumbian expert.

Disney material is *overtly* commercialized, anthropomorphic
and usually pretty content free.

> Seriously -- thank you for your thoughtful responses.
>
> Ted Shoemaker

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Les Cargill
 
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