900,000 Jews: Native Middle-Easterners
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Robert Cohen - 24 Oct 2006 21:49 GMT Many/most/some of ye are unaware that Israel also consists of "native" Middle Eastern Jews.
For instance: Baghdad is said to have had a Jewish population consisting of approximately forty percent of the overall population.
Ths HAARETZ article discusses Jews-as-refugees aspect in the phenomena of the Middle Eastern situation that has seemingly been de-emphasized.
I doubt that most anti-zionists are aware of it.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/777955.html
Topaz - 25 Oct 2006 00:45 GMT "Jews always position themselves as mediators. These nasties hold it cardinal they accredit and interpret *everything*. Nothing has worth or meaning until it's pronounced upon by a generous scoop of sh.t in a hate hat. Nothing must be expressed save in jewish terms. Invaders become undocumented workers. Queers become gays. Freakins become African-Americans. Attack on Iraq becomes defense of America. Nothing is legitimate save Big Kike stamp off on it.
BK doesn't like it when a Sheehan steps forward and foghorns facts to fodder. Instantly, like mosquitoes at twilight, a flock of bloodthirsty kikes appears, buzzing and sucking and whining. Have you ever noticed that it is impossible to criticize jews and keep your character? The jews have literally billions of enemies worldwide, yet not a single one of them is an honest man of laudable motive. It is impossible to carry off this charade without controlling the media and a hell of a lot of other things too. The minute jew-criticism appears, the ashkenazis and appeaser annies begin the smear. No one ever opposed a loving kike except invidiously. Smear campaigns are media control in action. There are other aspects of media control, but day in day out, making horrible shrieks and gurgles to keep the goyish herd away from the healthy green fields is the workaday business of the controllers. Jews determine which issues may be debated, and in what terms. Jews make up more than fifty percent of the experts on both sides of these tiny debates. A few vetted goyim are allowed through to keep up the charade of democratic discussion. The Internet is the only medium that prevents the illusion of popular conformity with jewthink being carried off. All that is necessary for jews to maintain control is to create a congenial if bogus reality through television and the main dailies, and relentlessly enforce this orthodoxy through smear campaigns against any who breach it.
The death of a son is one of the few motives strong enough to drive average goy fodder to breach etiquette and speak truth to kikes. She must be shut down. How to do that? You can see the jews' uncertainty. They attack her, at the same time, as both a lefty and a nazi. Illogical, but in time they'll settle on an approach. Sometimes just throwing sh.t and see what sticks is the best way. How dare Sheehan value her own son more than the interests of Israel?
I say my son died for LIES. George Bush LIED to us and he knew he was LYING.
And none of the thick rancid honkings Limbaugh and the freeper patriotards can gainsay it. Remember that bushy came out of manly Barbara, the wizened maw who asked why she should trouble her "beautiful mind" about the body bags coming back from Iraq. You know - the ones you never see, because they have to show you endless pictures of $440,000-compensated jews being "ethnically cleansed," sniff, yet again. Only an anti-Semite puts his own life before Israel. The jews are the one people on earth who routinely are absolved of guilt for that for which they and they alone are guilty. Isn't that odd?
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Robert Cohen - 25 Oct 2006 03:15 GMT What is remarkable about nazi-philliacs:
10. That non hang-up about gayness: There's no displacement there. 9. The creative propaganda: Repetition is a no-no. 8. Compassion for humanity: Will Rogers types. 7. Reluctance to denigrate: They luv their neighbors. 6. Get-off by ameliorating tragedy 5. Decency, kindness & sensitivity personified 4. Profound sympathy for the weak 3. Love of good, hatred of evil 2. They have good consciences & thus wouldn't execute leaders' immoral commands 1. Always with those self-effacing jokes
> "Jews always position themselves as mediators. These > nasties hold it cardinal they accredit and interpret *everything*. [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > http://www.nationalvanguard.org http://www.natvan.com > http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.ihr.org/ Bret Cahill - 25 Oct 2006 05:42 GMT > What is remarkable about nazi-philliacs: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > commands > 1. Always with those self-effacing jokes 0. Always on topic. This is probably the more important trait as it is the cause of all the others.
Bret Cahill
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Topaz - 25 Oct 2006 23:51 GMT >What is remarkable about nazi-philliacs: > >10. That non hang-up about gayness: There's no displacement there. "The text of this web page was originally published by the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum as a pamphlet titled "Homosexuals: Victims of the Nazi Era".
United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, 100 Raoul Walenberg Place SW, Washington D.C. 20024-2150.
As part of the Nazis' attempt to purify German society and propagate an "Aryan master race," they condemned homosexuals as "socially aberrant." Soon after taking office on January 30, 1933, Hitler banned all homosexual and lesbian organizations. Brownshirted storm troopers raided the institutions and gathering places of homosexuals. Greatly weakened and driven underground, this subculture had flourished in the relative freedom of the 1920s, in the pubs and cafes of Berlin, Hamburg, Munich, Bremen, and other cities." http://www.holocaust-trc.org/homosx.htm
>9. The creative propaganda: Repetition is a no-no. Here are parts of a speech by Dr. Joseph Goebbels, delivered in Nuernberg in 1934. The ending of this speech is in the film Triumph of the Will. "It is difficult to define the concept of propaganda thoroughly and precisely. This is especially true since in past decades it was subject to unfavorable definitions, particularly as the enemy defined it with regards to us Germans. First, then, we must defend it. Those abroad sometimes claim that in the past we Germans were particularly good in this area, but that unfortunately is not consistent with the facts. We learned this all too clearly during the World War. While the enemy states produced unprecedented atrocity propaganda aimed at Germany throughout the whole world, we did nothing and were completely defenseless against it. Only when enemy foreign propaganda had nearly won over the greater part of the neutral states did the German government begin to sense the enormous power of propaganda. It was too late. Just as we were militarily and economically unprepared for the war, so too with propaganda. We lost the war in this area more than in any other. The cleverest trick used in propaganda against Germany during the war was to accuse Germany of what our enemies themselves were doing. Even today large parts of world opinion are convinced that the typical characteristics of German propaganda are lying, crudeness, reversing the facts and the like. One needs only to remember the stories that were spread throughout the world at the beginning of the war about German soldiers chopping off children's hands and crucifying women to realize that Germany then was a defenseless victim of this campaign of calumny. It neither had nor used any means of defense. The concept of propaganda has undergone a fundamental transformation, particularly as the result of political practice in Germany. Throughout the world today, people are beginning to see that a modern state, whether democratic or authoritarian, cannot withstand the subterranean forces of anarchy and chaos without propaganda. It is not only a matter of doing the right thing; the people must understand that the right thing is the right thing. Propaganda includes everything that helps the people to realize this. Political propaganda in principle is active and revolutionary. It is aimed at the broad masses. It speaks the language of the people because it wants to be understood by the people. Its task is the highest creative art of putting sometimes complicated events and facts in a way simple enough to be understood by the man on the street. Its foundation is that there is nothing the people cannot understand, rather things must be put in a way that they can understand. It is a question of making it clear to him by using the proper approach, evidence and language. Propaganda is a means to an end. Its purpose is to lead the people to an understanding that will allow them to willingly and without internal resistance devote themselves to the tasks and goals of a superior leadership. If propaganda is to succeed, it must know what it wants. It must keep a clear and firm goal in mind, and seek the appropriate means and methods to reach that goal. Propaganda as such is neither good nor evil. Its moral value is determined by the the goals it seeks." "Each propaganda had a direction. The quality of this direction determines whether propaganda has a positive or negative effect. Good propaganda does not need to lie, indeed it may not lie. It has no reason to fear the truth. It is a mistake to believe that people cannot take the truth. They can. It is only a matter of presenting the truth to people in a way that they will be able to understand. A propaganda that lies proves that it has a bad cause. It cannot be successful in the long run. A good propaganda will always come along that serves a good cause. But propaganda is still necessary if a good cause is to succeed. A good idea does not win simply because it is good. It must be presented properly if it is to win. But a good idea is itself the best propaganda. Such propaganda is successful without being obnoxious. It depends on its nature, not its methods. It works without being noticed. Its goals are inherent in its nature. Since it is almost invisible, it is effective and powerful. A good cause will lose to a bad one if it depends only on its rightness, while the other side uses the methods of influencing the masses. We are for example convinced that we fought the war for a good cause, but that was not enough. The world should also have known that our cause was good. However, we lacked the effective means of mass propaganda to make that clear to the world. Marxism certainly did not fight for great ideals. Despite that, in November 1918 it overcame Kaiser, Reich and the army because it was superior in the art of mass propaganda. National Socialism learned from these two examples. It drew the correct practical conclusions from that knowledges. The ideal of a socialist national community did not remain mere theory with us, but became living reality in the thoughts and feelings of 67 million Germans. Our propaganda of word and deed created the conditions for that. Mastering them kept National Socialism from the danger of remaining the dream and longing of a few thousand. Through propaganda, it became hard, steely everyday reality." "Marxism could not be eliminated by a government decision. Its elimination was the end result of a process that began in the people. But that was only possible because our propaganda had shown people that Marxism was a danger to both the state and society. The positive national discipline of the German press would never have been possible without the compete elimination of the influence of the liberal-Jewish press. That happened only because of the years-long work of our propaganda. Today particularism in Germany is something of the past. The fact that it was eliminated by a strong central idea of the Reich is no accident, rather depended on psychological foundations that were established by our propaganda. Or consider economic policy. Does anyone believe that the idea of class struggle could have been eliminated only by a law? Is it not rather the fact that the seeds we sowed in a hundred thousand meetings resulted in a new socialist structure of labor? Today employers and workers stand together in the Labor Front. The Law on National Labor is the foundation of our economic thinking, realizing itself more and more. Are not these social achievements the result of the long and tireless labor of thousands of speakers?" "We could eliminate the Jewish danger in our culture because the people had recognized it as the result of our propaganda. Major cultural achievements such as the unique "Kraft durch Freude" are possible only with the powerful support of the people. The prerequisite was and is propaganda, which here too creates and maintains the connection to the people. The Winter Relief last year raised about 350 million Marks. This was not the result of taxation, rather many gifts of every amount. Everyone gave freely and gladly, many of whom in the past had done nothing in the face of similar need. Why? Because a broad propaganda using every modern means presented the whole nation with the need of this program of social assistance. 45 million Reich Marks of goods and services were provided. 85 million Reich Marks worth of fuel were distributed. 130 million Reich Marks worth of food were given out. Ten million Reich Marks worth of meals were provided, and 70 million Reich Marks worth of clothing. Some of these achievements were the result of donations in kind, others the result of cash donations. Street collections, donations of a part of paychecks, contributions from companies, and gifts subtracted from bank accounts resulted in cash totaling 184 million Reich Marks. 24 million marks alone were the result of "One Dish Sundays." The Reich itself added 15 million marks to the contributions of the people. The railway system provided reduced or free shipping with a value of 14 million Marks. Of our population of 65,595,000, 16,511,00 were assisted by the Winter Relief. There were 150,000 volunteers. There were only 4,474 paid workers, of whom 4,144 were in the 34 Gaue and 330 in the Reich headquarters. Propaganda and education prepared the way for the largest social assistance program in history. They were the foundation. Their success was that, over a long winter, no one in Germany went hungry or was cold. Over 40 million people approved of the Führer's decision to leave the League of Nations on 12 November 1933. That gave him the ability to speak to the world in the name of the nation, defending honor, peace and equality as the national ideals of the German people. The issues of disarmament were put on firm and clear foundations. Once again, propaganda was the foundation for the nation's unity on 12 November, and therefore of the freedom of action that the Führer had. Each situation brings new challenges. And each task requires the support of the people, which can only be gained by untiring propaganda that brings the broad masses knowledge and clarity. No area of public life can do without it. It is the never resting force behind public opinion. It must maintain an unbroken relationship between leadership and people. Every means of technology must be put in its service; the goal is to form the mass will and to give it meaning, purpose and goals that will enable us to learn from past failures and mistakes and ensure that the lead National Socialist strength has given us over other nations will never again be lost. May the bright flame of our enthusiasm never fade. It alone gives light and warmth to the creative art of modern political propaganda. Its roots are in the people. The movement gives it direction and drive. The state can only provide it with the new, wide-ranging technical means. Only a living relationship between people, movement and state can guarantee that the creative art of propaganda, which he have made ourselves the world's master, will never sink into bureaucracy and official narrow-mindedness. Creative people made it and put it in the service of our movement. We must have creative people who can use the means of the state in its service. It is also a function of the modern state. Its reach is the firm ground on which it must stand. It rises from the depths of the people, and must always return to the people to find its roots and strength. It may be good to have power based on weapons. It is better and longer lasting, however, to win and hold the heart of a nation."
>8. Compassion for humanity: Will Rogers types. Compassion for humanity is great. But tax money compassion should only be for our citizens. We should have National Socialism.
>7. Reluctance to denigrate: They luv their neighbors. Hitler said in a speech in Berlin on October 24, 1933
"Not hatred toward other peoples, but love toward the German nation."
General Leon Degrelle was the leader of the Belgian contingent of the Waffen SS. He was in 75 hand-to-hand combat actions against the Marxists. This is what he wrote:
"German racialism has been deliberately distorted. It never was "anti-other race"... National Socialist racialism was not against the other races, it was for its own race. It aimed at defending and improving its race and wished that all other races did the same for themselves. It was demonstrated when the Waffen SS enlarged its ranks to include 60,000 Islamic SS troops.
The Waffen SS respected their way of life, their customs and their religious beliefs. Each Islamic SS battalian had an iman; each company had a mullah. It was our common wish that their qualities found their highest expression... I was present when each of my Islamic comrades received a personal gift from Hitler during the new year. It was a pendant with a small Koran. He was honouring them with what was the most important aspect of their lives and their history."
>6. Get-off by ameliorating tragedy Here are quotes from a speech delivered by Dr. Joseph Goebbels at the National Socialist Party Congress, Nuernberg, 1937.
"'Spain represents the world at the cross-roads.' Thus wrote the Bolshevic press organ, Die Rundschau, in its issue dated July 22, 1937. That one sentance precisely defines the international significance of the Spanish problem. It states exactly what the Spanish problem is. Here the final decision must lie either with Bolshevism or the principle of Authority. On the one side stands ruinous anarchy and, on the other, orderly constructive development."
"Nations which in recent years have kept their eyes closed to the startling growth of the international Bolshevic menace will one day experience a terrible awakening from this moral narcosis. The fact that we, German National Socialists, as conscious and uncompromising protaganists against the Bolshevic world-front, are still condemned to play the part of a preacher in the wilderness, calling out to deaf ears--this cannot prevent us from seeing things as they are and calling them by their right names. For if the constantly increasing extension of this Bolshevic infection in Europe should cause still greater disaster, then future historians will be in a position to record the fact that we, German National Socialists, were not among those who allowed themselves to be led astray in the universal chaos of thought and mental fog purposely created as a sort of smoke-screen by an insidious epidemic of political propaganda. Nothing could make us deviate in the least from the straight road we have taken. "From the very nature of the case it is obvious that the subversive forces of International Jewry will raise a tumult of rage when we clearly and dispassionately lay bare the background of this revolutionary developement which is extending through the world. For, after all, they are the only people who are drawing profit forn the chaotic ruin which Bolshevism is bringing upon mankind. That on this account they will swamp us with a torrrent of abuse and lies and calumnies is only an honour for us and a further proof that we are right in warning Europe against this peril."
"The fight which General Franco is waging, with the support of all the constructive elements, against the Bolshevic menace to his native land is at the same time a fight for civilization."
"The Moscow Comintern never tires of impressing on public opinion thoughout the world the theory that the national movement, which on July 17, 1936, intervened in the seething developements in Spain, was a military rising oragnised by reactionary generals and that this rising was definately repudiated by the Spanish people. The truth however is that this national movement was in reality an act of self-defence on the part of the people, against the revolt which had been planned by the Spanish Communist Party for that time and was subsequently postponed to August 1936. This communist revolt had been planned in Moscow several years previously, organized from Moscow and directed from Moscow, and is still being carried out in practice from Moscow today."
"In 1935 the annual funds which Moscow contributed for the support of the Communist Party in Spain totalled several million pesetas, of which two millions were officially acknowledged as having been paid by the Comintern itself. At the 7th World Congress of the Comintern in Moscow, in 1935, Dimitroff gave instructions for the formation of a Front Populaire in Spain. Between February 16 and April 19,1936, 140 people were murdered by gangs of red revolutionaries, and 529 buildings were burned down and destroyed before the Bolshevic Revolution officially broke out."
"We can account for this baffling style of mutual admiration between Bolshevism and Western Liberalist Intellectualism only if we assume it to be some form of mental disease."
"During February and March 101 Russian Soviet aeroplanes were shipped from Reval to Spain. And on March 1st, 50 heavy guns from Soviet Russia were brought overland to Almansa. Recently one single large consignment of was material from Soviet Russia to the Reds in Spain included 100 heavy tanks, 500 medium-sized tanks, 2000 light tanks, 4000 heavy machine guns, 6000 light machine guns and 300 aeroplanes, with their pilots."
"I shall now deal with some instances which will help to give an idea of the extent to which World Liberalism goes in its moral support of the Reds in Spain. I have already emphasized the fact that the marriage between Bolshevism and Democracy presents some uncanny features; indeed one might call them downright perverse. In the historical developement of its activities Democracy has more and more become the political facade of World Capitalism. Bolshevism now carries the democratic principle to its ultimate logical application. We may call it the Democracy of Terror. It increases the pace of that sanguinary and pitiless developement of which Liberalism had already mapped out the path. I might illustrate this point by a rather drastic comparison. In democracy leading heads were out-voted by the counting of heads. In Bolshevism the same result is obtained by chopping off heads with the guillotine. The result in both cases is the same. The heads are wanting. The masses are robbed of their natural leaders and left prey to international Jews, who are now free to exercise their dictatorship by the employment of terrorization and money."
"Pleasing catchwords were used to win the favour of the workers but when the communist leaders came into power social terror became the rule of the day. Among the workers and peasant classes hunger prevailed, as symbol and sign of the Bolshevic rule."
"In keeping with the Soviet Russian pettern, family life and the instituton of marriage are being ruined by this world plague. Degradation of married women, the socialization of women, the martyrdom of children--these are the principles which are in vogue here."
"According to the 'Daily Mail' of August 22, 1936, Twenty-eight nuns from the convent of Santa Clara "were subjected to inconceivable tortures by relays of red maniacs."
"But Bolshevism in practice is nothing better than the most frightful find of barbarism. It is the outward expression of the hatred of the underworld agianst all those who are representative of Western civilization and a cultural level to which Bolshevism can never hope to attain."
"Among the 20,000 churches and monasteries which the Reds have plundered and destroyed many were of historical and architectual significance which cannot be replaced."
"But the churches of the world remain passive to it all and do not seem to have the least suspicion as to the deadly menace that threatens them. This is where Bolshevism shows itself again as the incarnation of evil. Its destructive influence on the popular religious instinct goes to the very roots of that instinct itself. And this ruthless atheistic campaign spares nothing whatsoever which might serve to remind the people of God and religion. The one fact alone that the Fuerer has saved the German churches from this fate should be enough to make them feel bound to remain eternally thankful to him. But instead of this they never tire of going beyond the sphere of their religious duties, interfering in political matters and making their influence felt in a way that has no connection whatsoever with their duties or their divine calling."
"According to indisputable figures based exclusively on Bolshevic statistics, 42,000 priests have been murdered in Russia. Up to February 2,1937, approximately 17,000 priests and monks and eleven bishops were murdered in Spain."
"A Swedish refugee stated, on November 10, 1936: 'I have seen churches on the walls of which the murdered bodies of women were hung, nuns that had been beheaded or burned and whose bodies had been nailed in rows to the church walls."
"The Strassburg paper, 'Der Elsasser', in its issue of February 27, 1937 published the staggering fact that '50,000 Spanish children are at the present moment wandering through Spanish provinces, abandoned and in rags. All public activities for the welfare of the youth have been abolished. And so the youngsters, very often no more than four or five years old, are left no alternative. They stagger along the road in swarms, shivering with cold and are nothing more than wandering skeletons.'"
"One shudders to think what might happen to humanity if this system became universal throughout the world."
"Bolshevism and its 'friendly press' throughout the world lose no opportunity of pointing an accusing finger at the alleged use of terror in countries which are governed according to the principles of authority. The whole world gives a cry of agonizing sympathy when, for example, a Jew in Germany receives a well-earned box on the ears. But what is this when compared with the terror that disrupts whole nations"
"Lenin himself, when asked at the 12th Congress of the Red Party, what were the principles on which Communism relied, answered: 'Murder, destruction, not a stone to be left in place if its removal should be to the advantage of the Revolution.'"
"The Jewish Soviet Ambassador in London finds it convenient to express his moral indignation before the Non-Intervention Committee in London. The world and the League of Nations are hypocritically appealed to. Before these tribunals the Jew Litwinow-Finkelstein plays the part of the civilised philistine and fills Europe with cries of protest."
"The Intenational Brigades which are sent into action on the Red Spanish front are commanded by Soviet officers. Their commander was the Jew, General Kleber."
"We shall not be deterred from pointing to the Jew as the inspirer, the instigator and the beneficiary of the dreadful catastrophe."
"At Barcelona he sits, in the person of Wladimer Bischitzki as director of the international oragnization for the smuggling of arms and munitions, comrades Lurje and Fuchs, of his own racial breed, sitting by his side. His Paris agents are his racial compatriots, Fratkin, Rosenfeld and Schapiro. At Hirtenberg in Austria their collaborator is the Jew, Mandl. In Amsterdam the Jew, Wolf. In Rotteerdam the Jews, Cohen, Gruenfeld, Kirsch, and Simon. In Denmark the Jew, Moses Israel Diamant. In Prague the Jews, Kindler, Kahn, Abter and Hithner. We know them all and we know them well."
"The fact that Western Liberalism closes its eyes to this evil portent is only a sign of its almost childish naivety."
"A struggle for native land and liberty, for honour and family and God and religion, for wife and child, for school and upbringing, for order, moral principle, culture and civilization, for our lives and our daily bread , has begun. In Germany it has already been brought to a triumphant issue."
>5. Decency, kindness & sensitivity personified By Dr. William Pierce http://www.natvan.com
"The Jews were very influential in Germany after the First World War. They were strongly entrenched in the legal profession, in banking, in advertising and merchandising, in show business, in organized vice, in publishing and other media. They were trying hard to change the spirit of Germany. They were pushing modernism in art, music, and literature. They were pushing for "diversity" and "tolerance." They were ridiculing German tradition and culture and morality and the German sense of personal honor, trying hard to make young Germans believe that it was "cool" to be rootless and cosmopolitan. They were promoting the same culture of lies that they have been promoting here.
That was the so-called "Weimar" period, because right after the First World War some important government business, including the ratification of a new German constitution, took place in the city of Weimar. The Jews loved the Weimar period, but it was, in fact, the most degenerate period in Germany's history. The Jews, of course, didn't think of it as degenerate. They thought of it as "modern" and "progressive" and "cool." Really, it was a very Jewish period, where lying was considered a virtue. The Jews were riding high. Many books have been written by Jews in America about Weimar Germany, all praising it to the skies and looking back on it with nostalgia. Even without the so-called "Holocaust," they never have forgiven the Nazis for bringing an end to the Weimar period.
There was a Hollywood film made 30 years ago, in 1972, about Weimar Germany. The film was called Cabaret, and it starred Liza Minelli. It depicted Berlin night life, with all its degeneracy, including the flourishing of homosexuality, and also depicted the fight between the communists and the Jews and the other proponents of modernism on the one hand and the Nazis on the other hand. The Hollywood filmmakers, of course, were solidly on the side of the degenerates and portrayed the Nazis as the bad guys, but this film is another example of the Jews outsmarting themselves. The Jews who made the film saw everything from their viewpoint, through their own eyes, and the degenerate Gentiles under their spell also saw things from the Jewish viewpoint, but the Jews apparently didn't stop to think -- or didn't care -- that a normal, healthy White person would view things differently. Check it out for yourself. Cabaret is still available in video stores.
The point I am making is this: In the 1920s, after the First World War, the Jews were trying to do to Germany what they began doing to America after the Second World War, in the 1960s. Many Germans, the healthiest elements in Germany, resisted the Jews' efforts, just as many Americans have resisted the Jews' efforts in America. In Germany the Jews were a bit premature. Although they had much of the media under their control, they didn't control all of the media. They tried to move too fast. The healthiest Germans resisted and beat them.
In America, in the 1960s, the Jews had almost total media control before they began their big push, and they proceeded more carefully. In America they are winning. The culture of lies has prevailed in America. It's still possible for Americans to win, but it's going to be a lot tougher this time. We'd better get started. The first step is to regain at least partial control of our media, so that we can begin contradicting the lies. This American Dissident Voices broadcast is a part of that first step."
>4. Profound sympathy for the weak Douglas Reed wrote:
"Germans in their country are not less well cared for than the English in theirs, but better. You are faced with a country immensely strong in arms and immensely strong in real wealth - not in gold bars in a vault of the national bank, but industry, agriculture, the thrift and energy of the work people, the conditions of life they enjoy. Their engineers and social workers and artists go into the factories and see what needs to be done. They say that a shower room, recreation room, a restaurant, a medical clinic, a dental clinic is needed and these are provided. They have a civic sense, a social conscience, a feeling of the community of German mankind which you lack."
About Douglas Reed: "I have dealt with the once world famous foreign correspondent and author, Douglas Reed, who went from being widely known and respected before, during and after the II.nd World War to becoming an expelled and completely forgotten person. Why was he "forgotten"? It was simply because he wrote about "The Jewish Question!" International Jewry responded to his frank description of the problem with total censorship, so that his new books could no longer be printed and the old ones would disappear gradually from the bookstores and even from the library shelves. After a short period of slandering he was no longer mentioned at all in the world's media. As the author Ivor Benson (who has himself written a book on this subject: The Zionist Factor) says in the foreword to Douglas Reeds masterpiece The Controversy of Zion, which had to wait 22 years before it could be published, "the adversity, which Reed encountered, would have made a lesser personality give up. But not he"." Knud Eriksen
>3. Love of good, hatred of evil Here is part of a speech by Dr. Joseph Goebbels, delivered in Nuernberg on September 13th, 1935 at the Seventh National-Socialist Party Congress:
"Almost without exception, the intellectual leaders of Marxist atheism in Germany were Jews, among them being Erich Weinert, Felix Abraham, Dr. Levy-Lenz and others. At regular meetings, held in the presence of a notary public, members were requested to register their declaration of withdrawal from their church for a fee of 2 Marks. And this the fight for atheism was carried on. Between 1918 and 1933 the withdrawals from the German Evangelical Churches alone amounted to two-and-a-half million persons in Germany. The programme which these atheistic societies laid down in regard to sexual matters is amply charcterized in the following demands publicly expressed at meetings and distributed in leaflet form:
1) The complete abrogation of the paragraphs of the law dealing with the crime of abortion, and the right to have abortion procured free of charge in State Hospitals.
2) Non-interference with prostitution.
3) The abrogation of all bourgeois-capitalistic regulations in regard to marriage and divorce.
4) Official registration to be optional and the children to be educated by the community.
5) Abrogation of all penalties for sexual perversities and amnesty to be granted to all persons condemned as 'sexual criminals'.
"Truly a case of methodical insanity, which has for its aim the wilful destruction of the nations and their civilization and the substitute of barbarism as a fundamental principle of public life.
"Where are the men behind the scenes of this virulent world movement? Who are the inventors of all this madness? Who transplanted this ensemble into Russia and is today making the attempt to have it prevail in other countries? The answer to these question discloses the actual secret of our anti-Jewish policy and our uncomromising fight against Jewry; for the Bolshevic International is in reality nothing less than a Jewish International."
>2. They have good consciences & thus wouldn't execute leaders' immoral >commands Here are some quotes from the German pamphlet "How they Lie" from 1940. The pamphlet has many pictures but the words alone are interesting enough: "For example, what would you say if a colleague of yours, whom you regarded as a rival and who disliked you, were to spread the rumor that your household is in disorder, that you murder small children and rape defenseless women? Rest assured that in our country such a person would soon be behind bars. But the international politicians and journalists who slander entire peoples in a shameless manner not only run around freely, they impudently put on airs as the saviors of human culture. No lie is too crude for them, no slander too vulgar-they understand their craft. Even in World War I they knew how to incite hate with the help of atrocity propaganda. We all recall those daily lies of the "German barbarian" who, "like a wild beast rages over the earth and destroys everything in hate and the fury of annihilation, who tortures children and delights in the tears of mothers," as a foreign paper once wrote. In war, man stands against man. Each serves the Fatherland in his own way, and no soldier will deny the knightly convictions of a noble opponent. Today, however, a cowardly gang of professional agitators daily invents new lies and pictures from the safety of their desks. How was the German soldier once depicted by enemy atrocity propaganda? We all know them, for we had fathers, brothers, sons, and men out there. For instance, on 20 March 1915, the newspaper "Le Rire Rouge" published the following picture of the good German soldier: A bloodthirsty murderer of women and children, a robber and plunderer, who nourishes himself with sausages made from human flesh-that was how it saw the brave and loyal German soldier. Each of us knows what a crude and baseless lie this is. Every decent person in the world should have known this. And yet: "Some of it will always be believed, the stupid and gullible will never see through it all" - so hope the political liars and slanderers. We know what to think about this flood of slander flowing over the German people. We heard the same things between 1914 and 1918. Then as now, they are attempting to drive a wedge between leaders and people. The goal of this propaganda is always the annihilation of Germany. We are also familiar with the old lie about the desecration of churches and shrines, which are once again in fashion with our enemies. This is the undamaged cathedral of Tschenstochau. The picture of the Polish shrine of the Black Madonna, with the German soldiers in the foreground, was taken after its alleged destruction by German bombers. While the lying and yellow press of the entire world and the enemy transmitters were inventing hypocritical stories about the presumed destruction of the holy shrine, the Prior of Tschenstochau wrote the above letter to the German military authorities that clearly testifies that the monastery and holy shrine were untouched. Thus the lie regarding supposed German attack could be immediately exposed. The English Ministry of Advertising has had nothing to say since. In reality, these lies are ancient. Our enemies always babble about violated sanctuaries, persecuted priests, murdered children and tortured women in order to prejudice the world against Germany and to arouse the impression that the world must be defended against "the barbarians who are threatening human culture." The picture above is taken from a leafet dated 19 August 1914. The same lie was used back then. Supposedly the Germans had attacked the monastery at Jasno-Gora. They always lied, they lie today, they lie, they lie. There were countless numbers of these malicious pictures in World War I. Today we see the new versions of this crude charge. Enemy radio reports reports of drugged candy and poison gas-filled children's balloons, with which German troops allegedly killed Polish children. And our enemies decided to spread this vile slander in the exact moment that the world heard from neutral journalists about the unimaginable crimes perpetrated by the Polish on fellow German countrymen. All of these neutral independent reporters saw and corroborated the terrible atrocities against Germans with their own eyes. In light of these proven facts, the shameless enemy presumes to turn the tables and pin these murders on the Germans, declaring that the murdered, whose names and addresses are known, are Poles. They hate the Führer, because he exposes their lies and crimes. They hate him, because he rescued the hard-working German people from eploitation. How happy they would be to see the Führer and the entire German people delivered into the dark machinations of the world Jewry! It shows the impotence of the Jews, since all they can do is drag a straw man through the streets and burn it. What do these subhumans know about the joy of a genuine national community? These warmongers are hard at work rousing the world against Germany. How little they know about the indisoluble bond between Führer and people that is so overwhelmingly clear in this picture: The Führer speaks with German workers. He knows that he can trust them, and they know that our cause is in his good hands. The enemy countries, who are so worried about the fate of the German people, also worry about the S. A. We have often seen them; we know how these men look. They are our comrades, our colleagues in the workplace, our fathers, brothers, sons and men. Do they look like this? Since when are these imagined daggers the true symbol of the S. A.? Once again some professional liar has taken his pen in his hand. They lie, they lie.... German men from all regions and occupations use their free time and energy in regular practice, so they can be ready to serve the community. When in the summer of 1939 the agricultural labor force was too small to bring in the rich harvest, these men freely joined in to help with the harvest, serving the homeland on peaceful fields. Why does the enemy press, which loves to speak of its objective reporting, never carry such pictures of Germany? The more one examines their endless scribbling and radio news, the clearer one sees that these expert liars have never spoken the truth, not even once. This time a newspaper really outdid itself. Here we see how a German holiday is libeled. Christmas and Nazi Winter Relief We all know this picture. It is the Christmas celebration of a German family that did not have the means by itself to celebrate this holiday of love in the way the Führer wishes, in the way that every German family should experience. The NSV got involved. Helpers, men and women, walked upstairs and downstairs, heard the wishes of the needy, and provided gifts. We all know the results. In any case, the 80 million people of the greater German Reich know that the liar who drew the picture on the previous page of an alleged German Christmas is not only a liar but also an idiot. If the gentlemen wanted to lie, they should have at least started out more intelligently, so that they were not found out immediately. What National Socialist Germany has done and continues to do for working people is unique in the entire world. The foreign plutocratic countries that are dominated by high finance viewed this new and happy life with envy and ill-will. They never ceased in their endeavor to compel this new Germany into war, to keep it in the same miserable state it was in after the Treaty of Versailles. But Germany knows what it has to lose. And because it is stronger than the rest of the world, it will end this struggle victoriously. Mr. Churchill, English warmonger, First Lord of the Admiralty, architect of the encirclement campaign had it easy in the fall of 1939. When he decided to wage war against Germany, he selected four English passenger ships that were sailing to America. Then he sent the above telegram, dated 28 August 1939, to Cunard White Star Lines, compelling them to turn German passengers away from these ships, as they would be uncomfortable eyewitnesses. See the accompanying letter from the shipping company, dated 29 August 1939. Churchill then sent suitable "rescue ships" to be "coincidentally" on the course of these ships, which were now loaded with Americans. The Athenia was torpedoed and sunk. If the affair with the "Athenia" not worked, then one of the other three ships would have been sunk,so that Mr. Churchill would have more stories for the English Ministry of Lies. We know the rest. The yellow press of the world blows Churchill's lying horn obediently: a German submarine allegedly sank the "Athenia." But the evil, criminal escapade failed. Germany got hold of the documents and exposed the criminals. Once again, one of the vilest and most base of the English lies is exposed. The following story is perhaps the best way of showing the reality of moneybags journalism, and how decent foreign journalists are forced to invent lie afer lie. A couple of months ago, a foreign journalist whose name we must hide in order to protect his job, came to Germany. He wanted to see the alleged "Nazi hell" with his own eyes, in order to give an eyewitness account. He saw workers who had jobs. He saw workers taking vacations with the KdF. And he saw workers going to the theater. He saw the NSV's charity for the poor. He saw and was amazed. He had not expected to see that! How could he, knowing the truth, continue to write lies and false atrocity stories about Germany, like the financiers of his newspaper want it?... In German camps, criminals and misfits live in clean and orderly accommodations, receive sufficient nourishment and have enough time for both work and play. The foreign press reporter visited one of these camps. The officials of the German concentration camp were outraged when they later read his article. The article talked about piles of corpses over which the poor reporter had to climb, of moaning people in dark dungeons, of caning orgies and other such imaginary atrocities. The man had seemed so honest. How could he lie like that? What had happened? The journalist wrote a letter to explain. He had written a truthful account of what he had seen at the concentration camp. But the owner of the newspaper switched everything around. Naturally there are decent foreign papers that would never falsify the facts like that, but we are not talking about them here. The newspaperman begged the Germans not to take action against his paper or the publisher who falsified the report, because then he would lose his job. That is how freedom of the press looks like in other countries; that is how the lies and fairy tales come to be. The Führer spoke about the criminal newspaper Jews and the war profiteers, in his speech on 6 October. They order the journalists and radio reporters around like schoolboys. These "servants of public opinion" are not allowed to have convictions or express their true opinions, and only a very few exceptions prove this rule. They must lie and slander and blacken Germany and its Führer to keep the gentlemen behind the plutocratic, moneybag policies in business. But why do these newspaper moneybags lie so crudely, so stupidly, so impudently? Why do they spread their slander all over Germany of all places? They lie because they are weak and Germany is strong. They lie because they want to make money by going to war against Germany, even though the people do not want to go to war and are scared to go to war against a strong Germany... Things are a thousand times better here. Things are more honest and fair here than anywhere in the entire world. Here we recognize the honor of the worker. Here there is a right to work. Here the moneybags are not in control... In conclusion: We will not be confused by the lies of the foreign countries! We know what we are fighting for!
>1. Always with those self-effacing jokes "We take a break at a shady spot to eat. It had not been possible to buy a meal in a restaurant in Angouleme. We did buy some canned goods, bread and wine. We sit by the roadside and eat our bread and sardines and drink a light red wine. As we sit and eat, a young man comes along in a gray suit with no hat and a large bundle over his shoulder. Seeing us sitting next to our car and eating so comfortably, he sits down in the grass on the other side of the road and stares at us. After a while I call over to him in French: "Are you hungry?" He eagerly says yes, and comes on over. I look at him in some surprise as my companion slices some bread and opens a can of sardines and I open a small bottle of wine for him. He is of average height and slender, somewhat ragged, but wearing a good pair of shoes. He is tanned by the sun and has dark black, wavy hair. But that is not all that strikes me-the shape of his face is unusual. His eyebrows, his lips, his nose make me wonder where this refugee comes from. At first I say nothing, and he speaks vaguely. He is going to a farmer to look for work, he has no money any longer and comes from Paris. He fled from the Germans. He sits and looks toward the sun. I quietly say to my companion in German: "Is the boy from the colonies? Look at his face." His mouth drops and he runs his hand over his eyes as if he were trying to wipe away some ghostly phenomenon. "You are German?", he asks in German. Now we are surprised. I answer cautiously: "Yes, we are German," but say no more. After a while my comrade asks: "Where are you from?" The lad answers with an unmistakable accent that proves the truth of his words: "Dresden." He continues immediately: "You still have a car? Didn't they seize it? Didn't they lock you up?" We both look at him in astonishment. We suddenly realize that he is an émigré German Jew, and that he thinks we too are émigré German Jews. We give each other a quick glance and are instantly agreed. We will not tell him who we are. We will take advantage of the fact that we are in civilian clothing and are driving a French car. I say hesitantly: "No, they did not catch us." The young man fishes a sardine out of the can and puts it on a slice of bread. He drinks some wine and, with his mouth full says: "You are clever boys." We both nod. We are willing to admit that we are clever boys. We have a lively conversation with the young man, at the beginning of which we have to dodge his questions. He wants to know what sort of passports we have, how we got out of Paris, why we had not been arrested by the Paris police, why the French army had not seized our car, whether we are going to Spain, whether we believe the Germans would let us through, whether we think the Spaniards will let us cross the border. All this he asks quickly and curiously. I put an end to his chatter by saying that clever boys have to keep silent, or else they would not be clever. That enlightens him somewhat and we cautiously begin asking questions. How are things going for him? Ah, not well at all. Then he begins a long self-history, full of complaints and self-pity. He left Germany with his parents in 1934. His father had an antique shop in Dresden and moved it to Paris. The antique business did not go well in Paris. Why not? First, there were too many antique shops in Paris, and second the people in Paris understood too much about antiques. He looked at us to let us know that it was to his father's advantage that people in Dresden knew less about antiques than people in Paris. After learning this, his parents moved the business to London, but he, the son, stayed in Paris. What did you learn to do? Learn to do? Nothing. I worked for a printing firm. Next he shows us his passport, his German passport, probably in the hope that we would do the same. The passport was issued in 1934 and has expired. I ask him: Couldn't you become a French citizen? He nods, still chewing away, and says that he had several chances to become a French citizen. Why didn't he do it? He smiles at us and says: "Then I would have had to serve in the army. I might be dead by now, since one can't always shirk." My comrade says: "I don't completely understand you. You would have had a new fatherland, after all. Or did they want to send you to the Foreign Legion?" He makes a contemptuous gesture. "No, I could join the regular army, If I volunteered, I would immediately become a French citizen. I could have joined the Foreign Legion at any time. But you know, a soldier is a soldier. It made no sense." "Well," I say, "things apparently did not go well for you in Paris. Why didn't you move with your parents to London?" "You don't seem to know very much," he answers. "Our friends in London told me that if I went to England, I would have to serve in the army there too. I would have had to be a soldier, and didn't want to do that." "Hold on, though," I say, and look for a way to speak cautiously so as not to make the young lad suspicious. "If you live in France or England and want to stay there, if you enjoy all the benefits of the country, when you want to have all the advantages, you have to understand that these countries may want you to help defend their borders." He replies in an annoyed tone: "What do you think about me? I have no borders to defend. I am not French, I am not English, I am not German, I am a Jew." My comrade says: "OK, but what was the trouble in Paris? You said that things had not gone well." The young lad picks up a stone and tosses it across the road. "You seem to have had things good. Or weren't you in Paris when things fell apart?" We shake our heads to indicate that we had not been in Paris. "You probably were hiding in the countryside. Well, I'll stop asking questions. You can take me along for a while. Maybe you can help me out a bit, since you seem to have a lot of money. I could live a good life for a while after the miseries of Paris." Now he speaks softly, as if the wheat and the grass around us had ears. "These French are nasty. Things were OK when we got to Paris. But it got worse, and the other workers in the printing firm were unfriendly from the start. I always said that 'France is the land of human rights,' and they laughed and said 'France is the land of the French. You are taking someone else's job. You are here only because the owner is a Jew.' People in Germany always told me that there was no anti-Semitism in France. But they always pestered me and the bureaucrats were always after me when they found out that I did not want to be a soldier. I lived like a dog. And when the Germans attacked they hauled me out of bed early in the morning and locked me up. There were thousands and thousands of our people and it was all over with jobs and freedom, and only those who volunteered for the Foreign Legion were released. I said I would join the regular army, but had to be trained first. I couldn't join the war before that. I told myself that by that time the war would be over and the French would be in Berlin. But they probably saw through me and said: 'No, little Jew, we can no longer use you in the regular French army.' I could not sleep at night with everyone around me howling that they wanted to talk with Minister Mandel. And the guards spit and said tough luck. I no longer knew if it was Thursday or Monday, or how long we had been there. We did not know much about what was happening outside, only that the Germans were coming closer. Many of us negotiated and begged and cried to the guards that they should let us out, but they were tough chaps, these guards. They always ran their finger across the neck to show us that the Germans would hang us all. We heard the guards calling every two hours during the night and I woke up every time. One night I wake up. The guards aren't shouting, and it is quiet. All of our people are sleeping, but I stand up. I can see everything, since there are a few lights. The rest are laying on their stomachs or backs or sides and snoring. I go to the door and open it a bit. I can do that, since the bathroom is just outside. But when I open the door, I see that there are no more guards, and that the gate is open. I go back quietly, get my sack and tie it shut and leave the camp and the city. I do not talk with anyone, or they might catch us all again. I keep going, and ride a stretch on a truck with some soldiers. I said I was a recruit and was ordered to go to Bordeaux. Later they figure out it was untrue and kick me off. I laugh and kept going. And now you will take me along for a while, yes? Tell me where you were hiding when all of us were arrested in Paris. You will take me along, yes?" Now he goes over to clean his knife in the grass. He see the car's radiator, asks what kind of car it is, and steps back. I know that he has seen the small WH on the car. He closes his knife, looks past and speaks into the air: "Thanks" and then softly, "So that's why." He picks up his sack, crosses the road and slowly puts one foot in front of the other, leaving a small dust cloud behind him that drifts over a path."
http://www.nationalvanguard.org http://www.natvan.com http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.ihr.org/
chazwin - 02 Nov 2006 18:57 GMT > What is remarkable about nazi-philliacs: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > commands > 1. Always with those self-effacing jokes Complete gibberish!
> > "Jews always position themselves as mediators. These > > nasties hold it cardinal they accredit and interpret *everything*. [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > http://www.nationalvanguard.org http://www.natvan.com > > http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.ihr.org/ nosugarintea@yahoo.com - 03 Nov 2006 02:05 GMT all true. thank you.
> "Jews always position themselves as mediators. These > nasties hold it cardinal they accredit and interpret *everything*. [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > http://www.nationalvanguard.org http://www.natvan.com > http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.ihr.org/ Immortalist - 25 Oct 2006 18:17 GMT > Many/most/some of ye > are unaware that Israel also consists of "native" > Middle Eastern Jews. During the first Iraq war this was pointed out by the kooky medias.
The Jewish diaspora (Hebrew: Tefutzah, "scattered", or Galut "exile") is the dispersion of the Jewish people throughout Babylonia and the Roman Empire. It later spread throughout the world by either migration or conversion. The diaspora is commonly accepted to have begun with the 8th-6th century BCE conquests of the ancient Jewish kingdoms and expulsions of enslaved Jewish population. A number of Middle Eastern Jewish communities were established then as a result of tolerant policies and remained notable centers of Torah life and Judaism for centuries to come. The defeat of the Great Jewish Revolt in the year 70 and of Bar Kokhba's revolt in 135 against the Roman Empire notably contributed to the numbers and geography of the diaspora, as many Jews were scattered after losing their state Judea or were sold to slavery throughout the empire.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_diaspora
The Jewish state comes to an end in 70 AD, when the Romans begin to actively drive Jews from the home they had lived in for over a millennium. But the Jewish Diaspora ("diaspora" ="dispersion, scattering") had begun long before the Romans had even dreamed of Judaea. When the Assyrians conquered Israel in 722, the Hebrew inhabitants were scattered all over the Middle East; these early victims of the dispersion disappeared utterly from the pages of history. However, when Nebuchadnezzar deported the Judaeans in 597 and 586 BC, he allowed them to remain in a unified community in Babylon. Another group of Judaeans fled to...
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/Diaspora.html
http://classes.maxwell.syr.edu/his301-001/jeishh_diaspora_in_greece.htm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/events/israel_at_50/israel_today/80978.stm
http://www.usm.maine.edu/maps/exhibit10/10-02.html
> For instance: > Baghdad is said to have had [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/777955.html kilgore trout - 23 Nov 2006 21:22 GMT >> Many/most/some of ye >> are unaware that Israel also consists of "native" [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] >> >> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/777955.html On the contrary, I doubt whether many Zionists "gave a sh.t". Many Iraqi Jews wish they could have stayed, but Israel and the Americans have made that untenable. The Jewish colony of Baghdad was very large and quite prolific. The Ashkenazi Jews however never came from Palestine. They cant pass a simple DNA test which they refuse anyway. They are missing all the genetic markers that Sephardis and Arabs have in common. They are not SEMITES. They are crooks, swindlers, liars, and white slavers.
 Signature What a cruel thing is war...to fill our hearts with hatred instead of love for our neighbors, and to devastate the fair face of this beautiful world. – Robert E. Lee
Robert Cohen - 23 Nov 2006 21:31 GMT happy turkey day, turkey
http://www.aish.com/societywork/sciencenature/the_cohanim_-_dna_connection.asp
> >> Many/most/some of ye > >> are unaware that Israel also consists of "native" [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > neighbors, and to devastate the fair face of this beautiful world. > - Robert E. Lee Dan Barkye - 02 Nov 2006 18:42 GMT > Many/most/some of ye > are unaware that Israel also consists of "native" [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/777955.html -- Most people don't know that Jews lived in Israel in great numbers, relatively, ever since the exile, for not all were exiled due to different reasons and b/c some hid, maybe, from the expelling Romans.
The fact is that all through the centuries from 70 AD on, Jews were there, continuing the Jewish presence and life in their homeland.
This number reached appr. 500.000 Jewish residents during the Byzantine occupation era.
So the fact is that Jews lived not only in the Mid East but in their own country forever, in numbers big and small, until the time of the Jewish return to their Homeland in the end of the 19th cent..
If one adds to that the fact that the Arab population, which includes Palestinians and Bedouins, doubled, probably, since the time of the big Jewish return to Israel, that is since appr. 1880-1890, then it's obvious that Israel is the Jewish Nation's legitimate claim and place of continued presence. Distortions of history and facts serve the greedy true occupiers of Israel land, the Palestinians, and are a sad witnessing instance to the lengths to which they will go to hold Jerusalem in their hands, for this is the real crux of the matter in the Isr-Pal conflict.
Dan
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chazwin - 02 Nov 2006 19:10 GMT Jews have no legitimate claim to Palestine. Such a claim is ridiculous. There has never been a legitimate Jewish state. The Jews ruled the area for a brief time between their genesis from Egypt until conquest by the Roman Empire who maintained a puppet Kingdom of Agrippa. From the time of Hadrian till 1948, there was no Jewish state in Palestine. If it makes sense to rejuvenate national boundaries that have lain dormant for 1850 years then perhaps we should look at a few other potential claims. Perahps the Scots and the Welsh should carve up Great Britian and push all the English behind a great concrete wall? How about the Souix and the Moari, surely there claims only date back about 200-250 years? Lets look to South America, East Timor, Sri Lanka, Tibet - surely all their claims are more recent. In fact the claim to the Jewish state is utterly unprecedented. Perhaps someone can enlighten me as to why we should be in support of this rather unique situation when we so studiously ignore the plight of the Kurds and Basque peoples' claims to self determination ?
> If one adds to that the fact that the Arab population, which includes > Palestinians and Bedouins, doubled, probably, since the time of the big [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Dan Robert Cohen - 02 Nov 2006 23:45 GMT Anybody whom glances at my numerous posts knows I'm a relativist.
I can not completely deny what the Palestinians claim as injustice.
Meanwhile: This essay discusses the plight of a Middle Eastern Jew circa 1940s.
Some 900,000 native Middle Easternm Jews have experienced injustice.
I doubt if this figure/claim is acknowledged in the usual anti-zionist circles.
That's why I posted the topic.
I'd like the President of Iran and others to acknowledge the reality of the 900,000.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/03/06/INGM2BJH7U1.DTL
> Jews have no legitimate claim to Palestine. > Such a claim is ridiculous. There has never been a legitimate Jewish [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > > > Dan chazwin - 03 Nov 2006 00:37 GMT > Anybody whom glances at my numerous posts knows I'm a relativist. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I doubt if this figure/claim is acknowledged in the usual anti-zionist > circles. I hope you are not implying that I am anti-zionist. The fact that there were so many Jews in Palestine does not improve the claim of the state of Israel to exist anymore that the fact that 99.9% of Moaris live in new Zealand should give them a greater claim to self determination, othe fact that 90% of the inhabitants of Wales are Welsh.
> That's why I posted the topic. > > I'd like the President of Iran and others to acknowledge the reality of > the 900,000. But Zionists should also acknowledge the peculiar and miraculous birth of the state of Israel in 1948 and be able to reflect on how unusual is such a state of affairs.
> > Jews have no legitimate claim to Palestine. > > Such a claim is ridiculous. There has never been a legitimate Jewish [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > 200-250 years? Lets look to South America, East Timor, Sri Lanka, Tibet > > - surely all their claims are more recent..
> > In fact the claim to the Jewish state is utterly unprecedented. Perhaps > > someone can enlighten me as to why we should be in support of this > > rather unique situation when we so studiously ignore the plight of the > > Kurds and Basque peoples' claims to self determination ? Robert Cohen - 03 Nov 2006 02:07 GMT Jews/Hebrews have lived in the Middle East for at least 3,000 Sun years or 5000+ Moon years.
I would bet the madras nearest you does not acknowledge such in its Saudi-funded/Wahabi curriculum.
I doubt if the madras students are aware of the alleged on-going Darfur genocide.
It would be interesting to know what they know/think--if anything--about Sudan-Darfur b-t-w.
The same students are aware that European Jews live in an "entity," and allegedly commit genocide upon Palestinians.
> > Anybody whom glances at my numerous posts knows I'm a relativist. > > [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > > rather unique situation when we so studiously ignore the plight of the > > > Kurds and Basque peoples' claims to self determination ? Topaz - 04 Nov 2006 00:39 GMT September 10, 2005 Israel's Successful Use of the Art of Realpolitik
by Ramzy Baroud
Many lessons can be drawn from the observation of Israeli dominion over the Palestinians in the past fifty-five years, most notably the audacious mandate of institutionalized violence.
Even more alarming than the crimes themselves is the fact that even after blatantly violating international law, Israel manages to remain in the safety of the fold of the international community. Perhaps the Sharon government gleaned its wisdom from Niccolo Machiavelli's treatise, The Prince, rather than the Geneva Conventions. Consider the following scenario as a paradigm of the Machiavellian philosophy applied to the "Palestinian problem":
The fall of the classic theory and practice of imperialism compels us modern imperialists, who are keenly interested in maintaining control of our remaining settlements, to develop an advanced strategy that will protect our interests. Consolidating our power over indigenous populations may be difficult, but if done the right way, the Israeli way, that is, our settlements can be successfully sustained while our subjects are effectively subdued.
An important factor in institutionalizing oppression is through the utilization of the legal system. Israel has successfully passed laws, such as the Law of Return, which allow Jews and only Jews, to immigrate to Israel based on their race, while Palestinians are denied the right to live in their homeland and on their own property because they don't fit into this category.
Moreover, the Absentee Law allows the state to confiscate the property of dispossessed Palestinians and claim it as state property. These laws have proved quite successful, since they make race the determining factor in attaining rights in Israel, with Jews as first class citizens and Arabs second class. They also rid Israel of some five million refugees, scattered elsewhere.
Another important element of institutionalized oppression is military occupation. Israel has occupied Palestine and other Arab lands for decades. This way, although condemned by futile United Nations resolutions, Israel has successfully achieved the upper hand over its subjects.
The modern imperialist must understand that a strong army remains essential in controlling the settlements and their people. Thanks to the sheer strength of Israel's invincible army, Palestinian rebellions have been suppressed through massive applications of force. It doesn't matter whether force is used against armed or unarmed individuals, children, women or the elderly. What matters most is conveying a message that subjects have no chance of gaining the rights for which they fight, and if they want to live, they must surrender to whatever the State demands.
Today's imperialists must use the mass media, for it is unquestionably the most effective tool in winning today's wars. It is important that the message conveyed through the media highlights the losses of the colonialist, not the colonized. The media must portray us as civilized and our enemies as savage; it must show us as righteous and our enemies as wicked; it must show us as peaceful and our enemies as terrorists.
If the media is tightly controlled, we can fashion our own reality. We can cause the world to blame our enemy when we kill their children, and we can make our soldiers heroes while their fighters are branded as criminals. Israel has indeed mastered the art of media control, to the point that we can even blame Palestinian parents for sending their children to be killed to grab media attention. Interestingly enough, many believe us.
Killing your enemies, torturing prisoners, occupying land and confiscating properties are very important, but not enough. You must humble the enemy while you carry out your policies. The tactic of humiliation is indeed a winning stratagem, for through its employment, you can destroy the spirit of your enemy. Yes you can kill a man, but slaying him as his family watches and then stealing his dead body is more effective.
You can beat a defiant young man who refuses to plead for mercy, but if you strip him naked first, you will certainly break his defiant spirit and make him wish for death. Yes you can torture a prisoner by beating him, but imagine how successful it will be if you threaten to rape, or if you do in fact rape, his wife or sister. We've done it, and it was often quite successful.
If your subjects submit, reward them with partial freedom and allow them to get menial jobs. But if they defy you, clamp down and have no mercy. Otherwise they will rebel too often. If you push them until they rise up against you, don't back down. Fight back. Close down their schools, uproot their trees, burn down their farms, block their streets, isolate their cities, demolish their homes, throw them in jail, keep them under curfew for weeks, deny them clean water, electricity and basic supplies.
If they increase their defiance by using firearms, then feel free to do all that can be done. In Israel, for example, we are using our best high-tech weapons against them: F-15s, F-16s, Apache helicopters, missiles and more.
Destroy their symbols and deny them an identity. In Israel we have destroyed numerous mosques and have attacked and desecrated many churches. Imagine what that made them feel? Even God cannot protect them now.
If you issue them with identification cards, designate their nationality as "undefined." Burn their flags, ban their books, forbid them from learning their own history; call their intellectuals "militants" and their leaders "fanatics." Make them feel trapped with nowhere to escape.
Besiege their land, their air and water. Make them feel like a wild animal trapped in a net. Terrorize them. Give them ultimatums. Force them to accept their fate, which of course you ordain.
Turn them against each other whenever possible. Some of them might be weak, easy to manipulate. Use these to spy on the others. If such traitors become known, they'll be jailed or even executed. That's good, because then, like we do here in Israel, you can tell the world that your enemies violate human rights. You win both ways.
Build trenches and enormous walls around their fertile land, towns and villages, as we have done throughout the West Bank with our famous security fence. We said it was a security measure. The world believed us, and the people lost thousands of hectares of fertile land that is now in our hands, free of its inhabitants, whose high numbers have threatened our racial supremacy for generations.
Eradicate their forests and woodlands. Dump your toxic waste in their land and destroy their environment. In short, imprison their men, rape their land, murder their youth and push them to the brink of desperation, to the point of suicide, literally. You will then have succeeded in the complete dehumanization and defeat of your enemy, while through the media you will have convinced the world you are actually the victim.
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Dan Barkye - 03 Nov 2006 04:25 GMT >> Anybody whom glances at my numerous posts knows I'm a relativist. >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > I hope you are not implying that I am anti-zionist. -- Isn't thsi sttaement of yours contradictory to what follows?
The fact that there
> were so many Jews in Palestine does not improve the claim of the state > of Israel to exist anymore that the fact that 99.9% of Moaris live in > new Zealand should give them a greater claim to self determination, > othe fact that 90% of the inhabitants of Wales are Welsh. -- This is absolutely the most reactionary post re self-determination and liberation of opressed nations. I'm appalled, truly outraged, dismayed and appaled.
>> That's why I posted the topic. >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > is > such a state of affairs. -- Why unusual? Didn't you hear about struggles of liberation since the dawn of history? Did you ever hear of any nation which was willing to forego its rights to its craddle of birth? You recognize yourself that the Kurds and the Basques and the scotts and the Welsh, etc., make the same claim, so it's not unusual, right?
Esp when half of the Arabs (Pals and Bedouins) living in Israel now came there only at the end of the 19th cent. on the wake of the economic development that the rightful and legitimate Jewish return brought about (and that's a fact). So much so that the UN Refugee Body changed the definition of the "Palestinian Refugee" to one who came to israel two, repeat, two, years before 1948, the Jewish War of Independence. I bet you didn't know that. [...]
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chazwin - 03 Nov 2006 17:28 GMT > >> Anybody whom glances at my numerous posts knows I'm a relativist. > >> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > and liberation of opressed nations. I'm appalled, truly outraged, > dismayed and appaled. You are only appalled because you have no sense of irony. The point I am making is that the situation in Israel is unique and unprecendented not because the Jews are an oppressed people or, that they like many other nations on earth, have struggled for independance: it is bizzarre because they have been GRANTED their state when so many other cultures nation wide have more cogent and recent claims but are NOT supported by anyone especially not Jews! Have you considered the dispossessed of Palestine?
> >> That's why I posted the topic. > >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > dawn of history? Did you ever hear of any nation which was willing to > forego its rights to its craddle of birth? Israel is NOT the craddle of its birth. The Jews came from Egypt and took the land of Israel from others c.3000 years ago - Have you never read the book of Exodus? The jews were a heretical new religious movement from Egypt and were expelled by the pharoah.
You recognize yourself that
> the Kurds and the Basques and the scotts and the Welsh, etc., make the > same claim, so it's not unusual, right? See above! How many Jews are actively in support of Kurdish independance? Absolutely right yes!!! Look up irony! Oh don't forget Palestinians too!
> Esp when half of the Arabs (Pals and Bedouins) living in Israel now came > there only at the end of the 19th cent. on the wake of the economic [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Dan Dan Barkye - 03 Nov 2006 21:33 GMT >> >> Anybody whom glances at my numerous posts knows I'm a relativist. >> >> [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > bizzarre > because they have been GRANTED their state -- I understand now what you tried to say.
when so many other cultures
> nation wide have more cogent and recent claims but are NOT supported > by > anyone especially not Jews! -- That's untrue. Frex, the Israelis supported the Kurds at the time, sometime in the 60's I believe, quite actively, w arms, advisers, doctors, etc.
Have you considered the dispossessed of
> Palestine? -- I had and so had the early Zionists, who considered this issue of the residing Arabs. This is why we, the Israelis, in our majority, accept the Arab minority among us w full equal rights, including Parliament reps, ambassadors and consuls, and even Cabinet members in some more junior capacities. To hear them speaking in the Knesset, teh Isr Parliament, you'd think that the PLO and Hamas have representatives there, it's a true Fifth Column in our midst. Which other country do you know that allows its avowed enemies to behave w such freedom in its midst?
There is much to be done re the Arab minority, but this is true w every part of the Isr society as in any other country saying that they don't get enough or that they're overlooked and forgotten and so on, but they are absolutely a part of the Israel's social fabric. There are even Arab soldiers (a few, only, even some girls; for them service is not mandatory) in the IDF, and Bedouins soldiers started to serve voluntarily in the IDF much earlier than the Arabs, mostly as reconoiters w some reaching high ranks, like colonels. Druzes serve in the army and they reached the various general ranks.
To counteract your question, did you know that the Palestinians destroy purposefully any Jewish and Israeli archeological vestiges in the territory under their control? Did you know that any Israeli caught in one of their cities will be lynched on the spot, literally (and it happened w the most excessive, gory, savage, abominable results, of which I spare you) or kidnapped?
Did you know that the Christian communities in all of Israel are dwindling now b/c of the agressive Muslim attitude and behavior, esp in the Pal Auth. territory, like Betlehem? In Nazareth Christians were 80% a decade ago, now the are only 30%. Same in Lebanon to some extent.
So there...
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Dan Barkye - 03 Nov 2006 04:15 GMT > Jews have no legitimate claim to Palestine. -- Indeed? As I mentioned, Jews were in israel for all times, it was just that they were opressed by the various occupants of the country. The Spaniards did claim and fought for 800 (eight hundred, not less) years for the liberation of their homeland from the yoke of the Arabs. The Jewish claim and struggle is similar to the minutest detail.
> Such a claim is ridiculous. -- Your statement is ridiculous to the pt of being insolent. Everyone has the right to claim his homeland no matter how long time has passed, esp when the presence of his ancestors in the claimed land is a fact. Take the Serbs, they claim Kosovo b/c it's their craddle, even if it was taken by force 300 yrs ago, and it's a legitimate claim. Etc., etc., etc.
There has never been a legitimate Jewish
> state. -- Go get a life, man, really, go get a life. Yours is yet another lie, falsehood conspiratorial distortion perpetrated against the Jewish Nation w/o any logical base.
> The Jews ruled the area for a brief time between their genesis from > Egypt until conquest by the Roman Empire who maintained a puppet > Kingdom of Agrippa. From the time of Hadrian till 1948, there was no > Jewish state in Palestine. -- Of course there wasn't, it was occupied by various foreign entities, but the Jews never, ever, never, gave up their right to the land, to witness, their constant reminders of loyalty and deep confidence - that in the end the State of Israel will be restored, as it was indeed - to Israel and Jerusalem in their prayers, among many other things, that point to the eternal connection between the Jewish Nation and their homeland; this w/o any tie to the Bible, mind you, just a sociological proof to this connection.
> If it makes sense to rejuvenate national boundaries that have lain > dormant for 1850 years then perhaps we should look at a few other > potential claims. Perahps the Scots and the Welsh should carve up Great > Britian and push all the English behind a great concrete wall? -- We should indeed, and the Scotch/Welsh Liberation Front, or however they are called, are proof to this, for they are living and active.
How about the Souix and the Moari, surely there claims only date back about
> 200-250 years? Lets look to South America, East Timor, Sri Lanka, > Tibet > - surely all their claims are more recent. -- True and living words of truth and logic. When teh Queen of England visited NZ, a Maori showed his abre botoom to her, a sign of deep detest, witnessing their wish to be free in their own homeland. In fact, not recognizing the right of the Jewish Nation to its ancestral homeland makes a mockery of all the other national entities claims that are the same as the Jewish claim.
> In fact the claim to the Jewish state is utterly unprecedented. -- Really??? Maybe you should read some history, man, just a bit, and enlighten yoruself about the eternal will of displaced peoples to return to their homelands or to reestablish it. Frex, the Tatars that came back from their exile that Stalin enforced after WWII, the Chechens, all the Caucasus peoples, all the Baltic peoples, etc., etc., etc..
Perhaps someone can enlighten me as to why we should be in support of this
> rather unique situation when we so studiously ignore the plight of the > Kurds and Basque peoples' claims to self determination ? -- I will enlighten you: Support the Kurds and Basque claim and you will find yourself on the side of the righteous, the courageous, the self-respecting individuals, communities, and nations, how'bout that?
>> If one adds to that the fact that the Arab population, which includes >> Palestinians and Bedouins, doubled, probably, since the time of the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> this >> is the real crux of the matter in the Isr-Pal conflict. Dan
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Topaz - 04 Nov 2006 00:41 GMT Here is part of an article titled Zionism, by Arno Schickedanz. It was in Der Schulungsbrief, which was one of the most widely circulated periodicals in National Socialist Germany:
"Non-Jewish observers and writers on Zionism who see political Zionism only as an attempt at "national renewal" rather than an effort to establish a unified Jewish leadership as well as Jewish rule over the world, are therefore incorrect. The confusion of political Zionism with Palestine can be understood only through the Jewish prophecies in which Jewry is assured of control over all the goods of this world. Knowing that the time was near, and would culminate in taking possession of Palestine, Zionism developed the nonsensical notion of an "historic claim" to the "promised land," to which Jews "without any outside pressure" would gradually immigrate. In the ideology of political Zionism, Palestine fulfilled the role of an indispensable part of prophecy, just as certain rules are the guarantee for success of the magical ceremonies of primitive peoples. Political Zionism never intended Palestine to be the destination of all Jews, rather it merely wants to make Palestine the center of Jewish world policy. That must naturally be protected by a strong Jewish population. The Zionist publication Jüdische Rundschau wrote: "No one at any time has proposed that all Jews today should emigrate to Palestine." Nabum Sokolow, Weizmann's colleague and current chairman of the Zionist Committee, said it clearly in 1921: "The Jewish people wants to return to Palestine, the Jewish people will have its center in Palestine. Large parts of Jewry will live as a Jewish periphery in the world. They must be cared for, their dignity and their national rights must be assured.""
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nosugarintea@yahoo.com - 03 Nov 2006 02:10 GMT Maybe we should make north america a north american state and let asians from all over the world migrate to north america. The jews are a dispossessed people. They have no land and should not exist. they cause trouble in every country they parasite off. gas them.
> > Many/most/some of ye > > are unaware that Israel also consists of "native" [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > Dan Robert Cohen - 03 Nov 2006 02:16 GMT Manifestly/ipso facto perversely argues the case for the existence of Israel.
nosugarin...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Maybe we should make north america a north american state and let > asians from all over the world migrate to north america. The jews are a [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > > > Dan nosugarintea@yahoo.com - 03 Nov 2006 02:28 GMT Stop being a fucken jew. Every one hates you. You losers just dont get it. History always repeats itself because money grubbers like you will never learn.
> Manifestly/ipso facto perversely argues the case for the existence of > Israel. [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > > > > > Dan Robert Cohen - 03 Nov 2006 02:33 GMT Exactly the point.
And you're not doing shtik either, are you?
nosugarin...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Stop being a fucken jew. Every one hates you. You losers just dont get > it. History always repeats itself because money grubbers like you will [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > > > > > > > Dan Dan Barkye - 03 Nov 2006 04:30 GMT > Stop being a fucken jew. Stop being a fucken idiot hater.
>Every one hates you. Every one hates you, YOU, little pisser.
> You losers just dont get it. The loser is you, b/c we, the caravan, passes by, and you, the dog, is barking, think about it.
> History always repeats itself because money grubbers like you will > never learn. I thought Enron and all the other money grubbers were gentiles, maybe your cousins, eh? But you never learn how to be a true human being, you stinky rotten vermin.
Topaz - 04 Nov 2006 00:44 GMT http://www.solarcross.com/behindcom.htm Expelled The Fourth Lateran Council restricted Jewish commercial advantage but it did not end the Jewish problem. Beginning in the latter part of the 13th century, one European country after another expelled its Jewish population as the only final solution to the problem. First to take the step was England which banned them in 1290. Fifteen years later in 1306 the French followed suit. In steady succession the various states of Europe emulated this example with Spain being one of the last to enforce the ban in 1492. The situation in Spain is worth noting. Says Encyclopedia Britannica: [page 57, vol. 13 - 1947]: "... The 14th century was the golden age of their history in Spain. In 1391 the preaching of a priest of Seville, Fernando Martinez, led to the first general massacre of the Jews who were envied for their prosperity and hated because they were the king's tax collectors." Ferdinand and Isabella, after uniting Spain and driving out the Moors turned their attention to the Jewish problem, with the result that they were evicted completely in 1492. In 1498 Portugal evicted its Jewish population also. The Exploiters A great deal has been said about the "persecution" of the Jews in Europe and elsewhere, and they have pretty well convinced the world (or at least Americans) that these hardships were inflicted on an innocent people. But these rich Spanish Jews we see being evicted in 1492 were not down-trodden folk. They were the wealthy, the privileged, the exploiters: they were the well-fed merchants and the gouging tax collectors ... So it was in Portugal; in that country we find that the deportation of the Jews ... "deprived Portugal of its middle class and its most scientific traders and financiers." [Encyclopedia Britannica, page 279, vol. 18 - 1947.] Undeniably this class of traders and financiers was put to hardship by this banishment, but it does not follow that they were victims of discrimination in the accepted sense, nor were they underprivileged in any way. Rather we see a wealthy merchant group being ousted from its seat of vested privilege by a thoroughly outraged, and a thoroughly exploited Christian society ... The situation in England was similar. The Jews had come to England in the wake of the Norman conquest and had quickly gained a position of wealth and prosperity. Says Valentine's Jewish Encyclopedia of this period: "Their numbers and prosperity increased, Aaron of Lincoln being the wealthiest man in England in his time ... his financial transactions covering the whole country and concerning many of the leading nobles and churchmen ... On his death his property passed to the crown and a special branch of the exchequer had to be created to deal with it." England England, ironically enough, was the last country to be invaded by the Jews and the first to evict them. After the Fourth Lateran Council the Jews had become increasingly difficult to deal with and there were a number of anti-Jewish riots. Perplexed by the problem posed by this alien minority which seemed well on its way to corralling the kingdom's wealth, and failing in an attempt to force its assimilation. Edward I confiscated all Jewish wealth and evicted them permanently in 1290. Not until 1655 was a Jew legally permitted to re-enter England. Britain thus established the precedent for the later eviction which soon followed on the continent. France In France too the Jews were dominant in trade and finance and had been since before Charlemagne's time. Under Philip the Fair (1285-1314) one of the last, and certainly one of the greatest of the Capetian line, France had become the greatest power in Europe. It was Philip's need for money which led him to seize Jewish wealth and drive them from the country. He had already before 1306 taken desperate measures to raise money, which was in short supply, by forbidding the export of gold and silver from France. The same need for money brought him into conflict with the Templars, whose wealth he also seized. But it was the Jews who controlled the greatest supply of floating wealth. In 1306 Philip solved his financial problem-and France's Jewish problem-by expropriating their wealth and evicting them. Thus ended the centuries-long commercial dominance of the Jew in France. Later a few were permitted to return and these were in turn ejected in 1394. RETURN TO THE EAST The Evictions Space does not permit a detailed discussion of the other evictions which followed and which resulted in the banishment of the Jews from virtually every country in Western Europe in the succeeding centuries but here in chronological order is a list of the evictions: ENGLAND: Jews expelled in 1290 by Edward I. Not permitted to re-enter till 1655. FRANCE: Expelled in 1306 by Philip the Fair. A few were permitted to return but were again evicted in 1394. Jewish settlements remained in Bordeaux, Avignon, Marseilles, (from where they were evicted in 1682) and in the northern province of Alsace. SAXONY: Expelled in 1349. HUNGARY: By 1092 the Jews were in control of Hungary's tax collections. In 1360 they were expelled but later returned. In 1582 they were again expelled from the Christian part of Hungary. BELGIUM: Expelled in 1370. A few settled there again in 1450, but no large numbers came till 1700. SLOVAKIA: Ousted from Prague in 1380. Many settled there again after 1562. In 1744 Marie Theresa expelled them again. AUSTRIA: Expelled in 1420 by Albrecht V. NETHERLANDS: Expelled from Utrecht in 1444. SPAIN: Expelled in 1492. LITHUANIA: Expelled in 1495 by Grand Duke Alexander. They later returned. PORTUGAL: Expelled in 1498. PRUSSIA: Expelled in 1510. ITALY: Expelled from Kingdom of Naples and Sardinia in 1540. BAVARIA: Banned permanently in 1551. Jews were not permitted to enter Sweden until 1782. None were permitted to enter Denmark before the 17th century and they were not allowed in Norway after 1814. Today only a handful reside in all Scandinavia. Back to Poland By 1500 all of Western Europe except northern Italy, parts of Germany, and the Papal possessions around Avignon, had been rid of the Jewish invasion. For a while, at least, Europe was free of the Jews; not until 1650 did they return in any numbers. Says Encyclopedia Britannica: [page 57-58, vol. 13 - 1947.] "The great mass of the Jewish people were thus to be found once more in the East, in the Polish and Turkish empires . . The few communities suffered to remain in western Europe were meanwhile subjected at last to all the restrictions which earlier ages had usually allowed to remain as an ideal; so that in a sense, the Jewish dark ages may be said to begin with the Renaissance." THE RENAISSANCE As the Jew Departed ... The period marked by the evictions-1300 to 1650-also marks the period of the Renaissance which broke over Europe as the Jews departed. Starting at first in the trading cities of northern Italy in about 1300, there began a great rebirth of culture and learning which at first was based almost entirely on the writings of the ancient Greeks and Romans. Very quickly this renascent culture spread over Europe and when the age had ended, in about 1650, Europe was by comparison with her former status, enlightened and civilized. Quite obviously all this could not have taken place had it not been for a great upsurge of commercial activity which occurred simultaneously with, and as an adjunct of, the Renaissance. Not until the nations of Europe had wrested commercial control from the ghetto did this rebirth of western civilization occur.
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Dan Barkye - 03 Nov 2006 21:35 GMT > Manifestly/ipso facto perversely argues the case for the existence of > Israel. ABSOLUTELY!!!
Dan Barkye - 03 Nov 2006 04:26 GMT > Maybe we should make north america a north american state and let > asians from all over the world migrate to north america. The jews are > a > dispossessed people. They have no land and should not exist. they > cause > trouble in every country they parasite off. gas them. GAS YOU, parasite of the mind and of the spirit and cancer in the human society!!!
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