CBS's mishistory of Reagan
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Steve Dufour - 27 Oct 2003 21:53 GMT 'Reagan' viewer warning
By R. Emmett Tyrrell Jr.
Sir Martin Gilbert, the official biographer of Winston Churchill, is in Washington, lecturing and writing. Tapped after the death of Churchill's son, Randolph, to write the authorized biography of this colossal figure, Mr. Gilbert produced eight volumes (not counting three volumes of documents), and he has written other books on Churchill, Napoleon, the Holocaust and other matters. He is among the most illustrious scholars of the day; and the British historian, Paul Johnson, calls him the most "industrious" and exact of historians. A few days back, over dinner, the question came up of Churchill's actual life as opposed to the legends that people, often revisionist writers, tack onto his life. In the train of a great figure such as Churchill, there will always follow fabulists and ignoramuses creating legends about him, believing absurdities about him, building up a debris of myths around the monument's feet. Even after Mr. Gilbert has devoted decades to chronicling with the utmost precision the life of Churchill, the biographer's work with Churchill is not finished. Over dinner someone observed that Mr. Gilbert will naturally have to continue for the rest of his life to assess the accuracy of new interpretations of Churchill, paying always close attention to the evidence. Ah, yes, the evidence of a historic life or, for that matter, a historic event that is to say the relevant documents, the established facts, interviews, diaries, other historical writing these are the materials with which history establishes an accurate image of historic figures large and small. I thought about "the evidence" this week when I read CBS is about to broadcast a two-part "miniseries," "The Reagans." It depicts happenings and conversations in Ronald Reagan's life that never took place. The producers of "The Reagans" do not deny that. They present one of the great presidents of the 20th century as a dope and not always a very nice dope. One of the complaints already raised against "The Reagans" is that it is the creation of liberal Hollywood. Oh, the Hollywood artistes involved in creating this miniseries deny their politics matter. Whether or not they do, despite historians' rising esteem for the 40th president and despite the evidence Mr. Reagan reversed America's economic decline to trigger its longest period of economic recovery simultaneous with winning the Cold War, Hollywood's recollection of Mr. Reagan as a dunce endures. He still awaits his Sir Martin Gilbert. Mr. Reagan's momentous eight-year presidency covering a near-death assassination attempt, his enormous arms build-up, his diplomatic demarche with Moscow, his reformation of economic policy, his re-election, two off-year elections, and attending to guerrilla wars and terrorism worldwide, all pale in the mind of the Hollywood dramatist in comparison with these gigantic matters: Mr. Reagan was inattentive to his staff, had a bossy wife, and was supposedly hardhearted and neglectful of the inchoate AIDS epidemic. These are major themes in "The Reagans." Interestingly President Franklin Roosevelt suffered the same slurs and still does, though pro-Roosevelt historians have put a sunny face on the first two slurs. The famed disorganization of the New Deal staff was a stroke of genius by Roosevelt. His impetuous wife was a liberal exemplar. As for Roosevelt's neglect of certain contemporary problems dealing with Adolf Hitler's Final Solution is the one most frequently mentioned nowadays even the pro-Roosevelt historians are critical, sounding like those now criticizing Mr. Reagan's neglect of AIDS. I would defend both Roosevelt and Reagan with the same response. They had their hands full with war and the economy. To dramatize Mr. Reagan's alleged neglect of AIDS, "The Reagans" depict the president making a moralistic statement about AIDS victims that he never made. Even the scriptwriter admits the statement was a fiction. An even more contemptible slur included in this miniseries about a man who at the age when most are in retirement ran the largest corporation on Earth is the stress the Hollywoodians put on Mr. Reagan's supposed forgetfulness. This is high drama for a Hollywood scriptwriter; for, you see, Mr. Reagan now ekes out his daily life through the fog of Alzheimer's disease. Actually, whenever I was around Mr. Reagan his forgetfulness was no greater than that of most busy adults. A best-selling book of his lifetime correspondence, "Reagan: A Life in Letters," shows a sharp mind at work right up to retirement. Yet the 92-year-old former president does have Alzheimer's disease. His wife, family, and friends live with great sadness, and for Mrs. Reagan grave burdens. So what can we say in the end of CBS' broadcast just now of this anti-historical life of a great man? We can say (A) the childlike mind of the Hollywood artistes ignored "the evidence," and (B) CBS and the producers of "The Reagans" have publicly committed an act of remarkable cruelty. It is on a par with claiming Roosevelt's paralysis somehow impaired his performance in office. Don't wince. In point of fact, there were primitives who made this claim about Roosevelt, and it is not surprising that the creators of "The Reagans" should come off as so many Roosevelt haters. They are philistines and ignoramuses, and haters of the first rank. R. Emmett Tyrrell Jr. is the editor in chief of the American Spectator, a contributing editor to the New York Sun, and an adjunct fellow at the Hudson Institute.
that bloke - 27 Oct 2003 22:21 GMT How much time was Ronny actually awake during his second term?
Historians tend to agree that Bush senior was the de facto Prez at the time.
I love these so called "articles" such as yours. A whole lot of words used to try to sell a lie such as "Don't trust these people, they're lying".
Maybe if right wing brown-nosers like yourself would start to ask why so may have died in the name of G.W.Bush, you could actually do some good in the world.
Wbarwell - 28 Oct 2003 01:20 GMT > How much time was Ronny actually awake during his second term? > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > may have died in the name of G.W.Bush, you could actually do some good in > the world. He was awake enough to support genocidal regimes like Pol Pot, Rios Montt of Guatemala,, D'Aubisson of El Salvador, Saddam Hussien and other scum, not to mention getting involved in Iranscam and Contragate. Why should I trust people who do not remeber these nasty things and worship the old bastard despite that to know any real history of teh Reagan years?
Anybody who KNEW something about Reagan then knew he was scum and despised him for supporting murdering thugs like those mentioned above.
Those who didn't notice have no right criticizing those of us who knew just what scum Reagan really was.
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that bloke - 28 Oct 2003 23:18 GMT > He was awake enough to support genocidal regimes like Pol Pot, Rios Montt > of Guatemala,, D'Aubisson of El Salvador, Saddam Hussien and other scum, > not to mention getting involved in Iranscam and Contragate. Don't these things have more a "Bush Senior" flavour to them, although Reagan was prolly given a nudge when a signature was needed.
> Why should I trust people who do not remeber these nasty things and > worship the old bastard despite that to know any real history of teh Reagan [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Those who didn't notice have no right criticizing those of us who knew just > what scum Reagan really was. The problem is, the people who notice, just like in the present time, have to wait 50 years until the truth becomes generally acknowledged.
Wbarwell - 29 Oct 2003 04:02 GMT >> He was awake enough to support genocidal regimes like Pol Pot, Rios Montt >> of Guatemala,, D'Aubisson of El Salvador, Saddam Hussien and other scum, >> not to mention getting involved in Iranscam and Contragate. > > Don't these things have more a "Bush Senior" flavour to them, although > Reagan was prolly given a nudge when a signature was needed. No. Example, Reagan came to office as the Guatemalan massacres were front page news. The Democrats attempted to cut aid to the genocidal Rios Montt regime and the scumbags GOP fought them bitterly with Reagan leading the charge. Copious information was available from the CIA and State Department so there was no argument that atrocities were going on. At the heigth of this, Reagan was very publicallt voacl and even made a personal propaganda trip down to Guatemala to appear on a stage with Montt and publically lie that Montt was getting a "bum rap" from the media and Democrats.
The bastard was actively pro-genocide.
Likewise he was publically active in supporting D'Aubisson of El Salvador, a man who was a known leader of right wing death squads. When El Salvadoran soldiers killed 400 men women and children at a small village called El Mezote, an army trained by our Green Berets, armed with rifles and ammo from the USA, in uniforms provided by the USA, and paid by aid from the USA, what did Reagan do/ Called the New York Times and Washington Post in an attempt to keep the sorry story from occupying the front pages of these two papers past the initial stories.
Reagan was human filth. Moral excrement.
I use these facts as a touch stone. Anybody who is a Reagan worshipper, and we have a lot of scum like that on the right, sort of like theStalin personality cult that is stikll strong in Russia today, who brays real loud when the slightest critical remark about Reagan is heard, either does not know anything about this evil bastard, or does and does not care Reagan was a supporter of such morally bankrupt policies.
The former should be given the facts about what a scum bag Reagan was, and he most certainlty was, those who know and blow it off, usually with a squid cloud of name calling to divert attenton from Reagan's vast failings as a human, a president, a man, should have all the scorn poured on them society can muster for being scum themselves and not caring themselves. America should not honor politicians that support thr D'Aubbisons, the Montts, the Saddams, the Pol Pots of the world, all of whom Reagan supported.
Bush did not twist Reagan's arm, Reagan hit the ground running and out in front from day one. He was active and belligerent about it.
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>> Why should I trust people who do not remeber these nasty things and >> worship the old bastard despite that to know any real history of teh [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >> >> Cheerful Charlie
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Frank Booth - 29 Oct 2003 04:28 GMT hey can i just ask all dumbfucks and dopey a.sholes why they feel the need to invent words stupid and clumsy like "mishistory"?
i mean come on, its not like the word is even needed, yet increasingly we read bullshit words like "misspoke" etc etc creeping in to the language.
cut it out, or i'll misfuck you up!
Steve Dufour - 30 Oct 2003 03:02 GMT Should we use your choice of vocabulary?
Frank Booth - 30 Oct 2003 10:14 GMT > Should we use your choice of vocabulary? yes, for f.ck's sake.
John LaVoy - 27 Oct 2003 23:14 GMT > 'Reagan' viewer warning > > By R. Emmett Tyrrell Jr. <snip> Tyrell>
I find it terrifically amusing that the right wing hate mongers can spend 10 hours a day five days a week misrepresenting, micharactierizing, attacking and intentionally ytrying to humiliate anybody who admits to being left of Ghengis Khan, but as soon as anybody says anything bad about their icon, they wet their pants.
How long is the list of right wingers who can dish it out but not take it?
RedPill - 28 Oct 2003 00:40 GMT ole' ronnie got exactly what he deserved, and he can't remember any of it. (:
--redpill.
> > 'Reagan' viewer warning > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > How long is the list of right wingers who can dish it out but not take it? Steve Dufour - 28 Oct 2003 04:39 GMT > > I find it terrifically amusing that the right wing hate mongers can spend > 10 [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > > > How long is the list of right wingers who can dish it out but not take it? You do admit the CBS program is biased then?
ZenIsWhen - 28 Oct 2003 07:30 GMT > > > I find it terrifically amusing that the right wing hate mongers can spend > > 10 [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > You do admit the CBS program is biased then? You can tell the awful truth - and not be biased. Obviously your simple mind cannot comprehend that fact
Wbarwell - 28 Oct 2003 07:52 GMT >> > I find it terrifically amusing that the right wing hate mongers can >> > spend [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > You do admit the CBS program is biased then? No, no one's seen it yet.
But if it does not point out Reagan was a sh.t who supported genocidal dictators and did not care about murder, rape, torture and genocide, its biased. It does not deal with important Reagan failures of intellect and morality. I have yet to see anything on Reagan that has adequately dealt with the dismal truth of Reagan's many failures.
I mean for god's sake, this was a bastard that supported Pol Pot his entire 8 year long regime.
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Mr_Blonde@ReservoirDogs.com - 28 Oct 2003 13:18 GMT > But if it does not point out Reagan was a sh.t who supported genocidal > dictators and did not care about murder, rape, torture and genocide, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I mean for god's sake, this was a bastard that supported Pol Pot his > entire 8 year long regime. Loonie Alert!!! Loonie Alert!!! Loonie Alert!!! Loonie Alert!!!
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Pantheras - 27 Oct 2003 23:42 GMT > They present > one of the great presidents of the 20th century as a dope and not > always a very nice dope. I think that is a very good summary except the part about being a great president.
( Cross posting is used by trolls to stir up trouble in one or more news groups. Why did you cross post this to alt.history )
RKRM - 28 Oct 2003 02:18 GMT > 'Reagan' viewer warning <snip> bullshit
Translation from the idiot right: "Waaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! my pussy hurts!"
You f.ckers dish it. Now take it. The Reagan administration was the most criminal in our history. In fact rightwing fucktards he supported Saddam. f.ck Off.
Bill - 29 Oct 2003 05:14 GMT > > 'Reagan' viewer warning > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.525 / Virus Database: 322 - Release Date: 10/9/2003 You ought to get a filter that certifies that your outgoing mail is Stupidity Free. Maybe it could just delete before sending.
Roger - 28 Oct 2003 07:39 GMT It's a f.cking movie.
> 'Reagan' viewer warning > [quoted text clipped - 88 lines] > Spectator, a contributing editor to the New York Sun, and an adjunct > fellow at the Hudson Institute. Steve Dufour - 28 Oct 2003 17:15 GMT I agree. The problem is that lots of people think movie history is real history. Of course conservatives make stuff up too. I think Mel Gibson would be considered a conservative and his "Patriot" was wildly inaccurate about the conduct of the British in the American Revolution.
Pantheras - 28 Oct 2003 17:24 GMT > I agree. The problem is that lots of people think movie history is > real history. Of course conservatives make stuff up too. I think Mel > Gibson would be considered a conservative and his "Patriot" was wildly > inaccurate about the conduct of the British in the American > Revolution. They probably left out Reagan's AIDS efforts. I think they should name the disease for him.
Zach - 28 Oct 2003 17:41 GMT CBS has drawn sharp criticism for its upcoming mini-series, "The Reagans." In the screenplay, President Ronald Reagan is quoted as saying "they that live in sin shall die in sin" regarding AIDS patients. Reagan, however, never said such a thing.
In an attempt to allay criticism, CBS's Ed Bradley scored an exclusive interview with the former president. While it is set to air right before the first installment of the mini-series, I have obtained a transcript of it.
http://www.zacheverson.com/Humor/News_satire/CBS_Reagan_Reagans_mini.htm
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Pantheras - 28 Oct 2003 20:32 GMT "they that live in sin shall die in sin" regarding AIDS
> patients.
> In an attempt to allay criticism, CBS's Ed Bradley scored an exclusive > interview with the former president. While it is set to air right > before the first installment of the mini-series, I have obtained a > transcript of it.
> http://www.zacheverson.com/Humor/News_satire/CBS_Reagan_Reagans_mini.htm I have said a lot of bad things about Reagan in regards to AIDS. After reading this interview, all is now clear. Outstanding journalism.
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