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Dr. Jai Maharaj - 22 May 2007 21:46 GMT Sarasvati hieroglyphs as a writing system
Forwarded message from S. Kalayanaraman
Sarasvati hieroglyphs as a writing system
'Indus Script' -- two words are the received wisdom. Both words are inappropriate.
Cumulative archaeological evidence has shown that about 80% of the sites of the civilization are on banks of River Sarasvati. A more appropriate word may be "Sarasvati" to replace the word 'Indus'. Reference to 'script' assumes that it is a representation of phonetics, morphology and other grammatical features of spoken language(s). The brevity of the inscriptions about 5 to 6 glyphs on an average (depending upon which corpus one looks at and distinction of glyphs, between 'sign' category and 'pictorial' category) points to the impossibility of the 'script' having been alphabetic or even syllabic, particularly because there are hundreds of inscriptions which do not have any 'signs' of the script at all, but only pictorial motifs or field symbols. A more appropriate word may be 'writing system' to replace the word 'script'. A more appropriate title for the corpuses of Mahadevan, Parpola and Hunter can be: Sarasvati writing system.
The moment an assumption is made that 'script' by definition has to be alphabetic or syllabic, any decipherment effort collapses ab initio, unable to explain the 'meanings' or 'metaphors' conveyed by pictorial motifs or field symbols. Even the pundits who cry hoarse about 'harappan illiterates' have failed to explain what the glyphs 'meant'. If someone from Mars were to arrive at say, San Francisco international airport, he will think that the anti-hindu hate groups talking about 'illiteracy' should themselves be illiterates using forked-stick variants (with or without skirts) on toilet entrances to differentiate between men's and women's toilets.
One way that any decipherment is validated is by the use of some type of multi-lingual inscriptions or the equivalent of 'rosetta stone' which enabled Champollion to crack the code of Egyptian hieroglyphs.
Another fallacy introduced by critiques and decipherers alike is that there should be some type of 'universal' design imperative for a writing system. Just because a writing system, of say, Egyptian hieroglyphs, left long inscriptions (say, more than 5 or 6 glyphs). The world has seen many writing systems not excluding Kharoshthi or Brahmi or Coptic or Siddhamatrka, and not all of them are alike.
Bharatiya tradition provides a clear enunciation of a 'writing system'. In Vatsyayana's Vidyasamuddes'a s'loka, three categories (out of 64) arts are prescribed as required knowledge for youth: des'a bhaashaa jnaana; akshara mushthika kathanam; mlecchita vikalpa. In this triad, mlecchita vikalpa refers to cryptography or writing system on 'coppered' media. [mleccha-mukha 'copper' (Skt.); milakkhu 'copper' (Pali)]. Thus, a writing system is a crypt using glyphs. This generic definition can be applied to all later-day writing systems, too.
Some hindu-hate groups are reveling making serial attempts at a propaganda that the creators of inscriptions of Sarasvati civilization were 'illiterate'. This propaganda gimmick is again related to the definition of 'illiteracy' assuming that literacy is measured only by an alphabetic or syllabic writing system for a long string (longer than, say, five or six alphabets, syllables or words, as the case may be).
The moment we look at the inscriptions organized in a corpus like that of Iravatham Mahadevan, one will be struck by the fact that repetitive use of some glyphs (including signs and pictorial motifs) may point to some commonly understood idiom sought to be conveyed by the inscriptions. There is also evidence that the inscriptions were stamped on packages traded across the Persian Gulf and along theRiver Basins which provided for long-distance interactions.
The des'a bhaasha jnaana of the Sarasvati civilization area is such that it was a linguistic area (that is, an area where many language speakers interacted and absorbed language features from one another and made them their own).
How to validate any decipherment? Are there 'rosetta stones' available?
My submission is that there are 'rosetta stones' within the corpus of inscriptions and inscribed objects. Let me cite a few.
1. Two tin ingots with glyphs found at Haifa
2. A cylinder seal which contains many pictorial motifs including a pictorial of a unique plant, *tabernae montana*, identified brilliantly by Daniel Potts
3. A cylinder seal showing a pictorial motif of a meluhha (mleccha) merchant carrying an antelope (another pictorial motif) on his arm
4. Presence of over 200 copper plates with inscriptions (using both 'signs' and 'pictorial motifs') confirming the brilliant insight of James Muhly that the advent of metallurgy and the invention of a writing system could somehow be related events
5. Sohgaura copper plate and punch-marked coins from Takshas'ila to Karur containing a legacy of glyphs from the Sarasvati writing system
(See image of Sohgaura copper plate at
http://docs.google.com/File?id=ajhwbkz2nkfv_635hp9tjg )
The brevity of the glyphs (signs and pictorial motifs) is a continuum in the metallurgical tradition of Bharatam. Surprise ! An average of 5 or 6 glyphs adorn the early punch-marked coins. Also, copper plates become the preferred medium for conveying economic transactions or messages related to the polity. Given other indicators of continuity of culture from the days of Sarasvati civilization and the abiding nature of some of the glyphs as venerated metaphors (example, svastika, dotted circle, standard device, zebu, tiger looking back, antelope looking back), it is not unreasonable to look for the matching of the writing system with the languages of the civilization area.
The major problem created by many decipherers has been the a priori assumption that the glyphs are alphabets or syllables. Yes, many glyphs are decipherable as commonly used objects or animals or identifiable phenomena.
For example, tiger, elephant, rhinoceros, alligator, scorpion, bulls of three types (hifer, zebu, ox), antelope, ram, man on tree-branch, lady holding back two rearing tigers, circle with spokes, svastika, rim of short-necked jar, rimless wide-mouthed pot, fish, fish with fins).
There could be disagreements on what particular object was denoted by a particular 'sign'; but there could be little disagreement on the nature of or types of animals depicted.
One way to approach the decipherment problem is to take off from the definition of mlecchita vikalpa provided by Vatsyayana. If it was indeed an alternative representation of commonly spoken terms related to objects, animals or phenomena, a search for homonyms of the words related to these categories may yield, read rebus, the 'meaning' of hieroglyphs. For example, every decipherer or critique who claims illiteracy as a cop-out has to explain why for example, a tiger or an antelope is shown with its head turned backwards, why a person is shown hiding on a tree branch, why an elephant and a tiger flank a svastika glyph.
The problem melts away as soon as the list of homonyms is presented based on the languages of the civilization area. Rim of a jar is 'khan.d. kanka' (Santali); rebus: kan- 'copper'; khan.d. 'furnace'. Tiger looking back is: kol krammara (Munda); rebus: kol 'smithy'; karmaara 'smith'. Why tabernae montana? Tagaraka is 'fragrant jasmine, hair fragrance' (Skt.); tagara 'tin' (Tamil). Why a duck shown in a circle? There are two sets of homonyms related to 'duck':
http://docs.google.com/File?id=ajhwbkz2nkfv_633cxm3nw
(Image of seal with sign 62)
http://docs.google.com/File?id=ajhwbkz2nkfv_634hkhg96
(Sign 62)
Sign 62 (Mahadevan)
Set 1: Te.Ka.lex. kor.o 'duck' Mu. kod. workshop'
Set 2: Mundari.lex. vartaka =a duck (Skt. batak =a duck; vat.t.aka_ quail (Pali); vat.t.aya (Pkt.); bat.t.ai (N.)(CDIAL 11361). varta = *circular object; *turning round (Skt.); vat.u = twist (S.)(CDIAL 11346) bat.er = quail (Ku.B.); bat.ara, batara = the grey quail (Or.)(CDIAL 11350).
Rebus: bat.a; rebus, bat.a 'iron'; bat.a = quail (Santali) Rebus: bhat.a = furnace, kiln (Santali). vartaloha a kind of brass (Skt.); vat.t.alo_ha a partic.
Kind of metal (Pali); valt.o_a_ metal pitcher (L.); valt.oh, balt.oh (P.); bat.lohi_, bat.loi brass drinking and cooking vessel (H.); vat.loi(G.)(CDIAL 11357). Bar stone (Gypsy); bar. Stone ( Seur.Gypsy); bot. Stone (D.);; wa_t. (Ash.Wg.); wot. (Kt.); bo_t. (Dm.); bat. (Tir.Wot.); wa_t. (Gmb.); wa_t. stone, millstone (Gaw.); bat stone (Kal.); bort (Kho.)(CDIAL 11348).
In such mlecchita vikalpa, writing system of smiths, the duck in circle may have connoted a workshop with a furnace for smelting bat.a 'iron'.
Hence, the depiction of a duck, batak (Skt.)
In conclusion, Sarasvati hieroglyphs are a writing system. Each glyph (sign or pictorial motif) is a word. The word spoken to represent the object, or animal or phenomenon has a homonymous word (similar sounding word) which conveys the 'meaning' of the inscription. The inscriptions are an inventory of the smith and smithy's repertoire of minerals, metals, alloys, types of furnaces used (and perhaps also, metal artifacts produced from the smithy).
Early metalsmiths and miners were the inventors of the early writing system of Sarasvati hieroglyphs.
The puerile criticisms, rants and yearning for attention evidenced by the messages listed in the annex need not detain us here since the messages come from an anti-hindu hate group premised on the belief system of Biblical creationism, tower of babel and the false myth that nothing of importance could ever have been invented by the heathen in their blindness.
The simple answer to the well-known brevity of the glyphs (signs and pictorial motifs) is this: each glyph connoted a word whose homonym related to the repertoire of a metal- smithy. In a cultural continuum of Sarasvati civilization present even today in Bharatam, the glyphs are also present as abiding metaphors of a cultural legacy exemplified by the evolution of metallurgy contributed by the vis'vakarma artisans of the civilization.
My finding is: Sarasvati hieroglyphs are a writing system, a mlecchita vikalpa remembered by Vatsyayana as cryptography. It is not a coincidence that Vidura and Khanaka (yes, khanana, miner) converse with Yudhishthira in mleccha language in the jaatugriha parvan of Mahabharata (jaatugriha = palace made of shellac to burn the pandava alive). This averment is founded on the evidence of Sarasvati civilization as hindu civilization continuum.
The civilization did NOT die or vanish. One footnote: there ain't no need for the use of IEL in studying the linguistic area of Bharatam. Bhashya (study of bhaasha) can proceed without the use of IEL which is clearly a belief system.
For more see:
http://www.india-forum.com/articles/114/1/
Bronze-age-trade-and-meluhha-writing-system (Paper presented in ICAANE, Madrid, April 2006).
http://sarasvati95.googlepages.com/
http://kalyan97.googlepages.com/
http://www.hindunet.org/saraswati
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ajhwbkz2nkfv_620hs8zfc
IEL as a belief system
S. Kalyanaraman
7 February 2007
Annex: Harappan illiterates or illiterate researchers?
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Indo-Eurasian_research/message/6054
Feb. 6, 2007 The Farmer-Sproat-Witzel Model
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Indo-Eurasian_research/message/6030
Last night criticism
http://www.safarmer.com/fsw2.pdf
Harappan illiterates
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Indo-Eurasian_research/message/6010
Symposium on pseudo-decipherments
http://www.safarmer.com/fsw2.pdf
Harappan illiterates, again
- For example, on page 21, note 5 (see also below), you'll find us using your own evidence to falsify your claims that sign positions supposedly link the inscriptions to the Dravidian language family; Michael also underlined this fatal criticism of your work on the List earlier today;
- On page 22, note 6, we deal with your anachronistic association of Indus signs with Tamil traditions from thousands of years after the demise of Indus civilization, which reflects your well-known Dravidian ideological views;
- On page 28, n. 14, we discuss your misapplication of Mackay's formula as a supposed indicator of linguisticity (Sproat, incidentally, has recently shown that Mackay's formula doesn't even work for the languages to which Mackay claimed it was applicable; more on that on July 11th);
- On page p. 36, and again in Figure 7, we discuss the unorthodox methods you have used to understate the anomalous numbers of "singleton" signs in Indus inscriptions, which aren't easily compatible with any linguistic model;
- In Figure 12, striking examples are given of the way that you overstandardize inscriptions, which help makes mythological symbols look more like "writing"; "What do highway signs have in common with the 'Dravidian' model?":
http://www.safarmer.com/indus/signs.pdf http://www.safarmer.com/indus/prize.html
Empty challenge and bogus prize
http://www.safarmer.com/indus/simpleproof.html
The punchline:
> No ancient literate civilizations are known - not even > those that wrote extensively on perishable materials - > that did not also leave long texts behind on durable > materials. NB: there are no counterexamples, anywhere in > the world. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Indo-Eurasian_research/message/6041
Feb. 6, 2007 Witzel: Interestingly our (Farmer et al.'s) paper has not been discussed in print (except for one talk by A. Parpola in Tokyo in 2005, interesting story!), nor refuted so far, in spite of our 10k prize.
Rather, my siddhanta about the Indus signs is:"It looks like a script, it does NOT walk like a script, is isn't a script!"
On Feb 5, 2007, at 6:46 PM, Mani Manivannan wrote:
> Towards a scientific study of Indus Script: > an article by Iravatham Mahadevan http://www.hindu.com/mag/2007/02/04/stories/2007020400260500.htm
Mirrored at
http://docs.google.com/View?docid=ajhwbkz2nkfv_631dwdgf7&revision=_published
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Dr. Jai Maharaj - 22 May 2007 22:12 GMT Sarasvati hieroglyphs as a writing system
Forwarded message from S. Kalayanaraman
Sarasvati hieroglyphs as a writing system
'Indus Script' -- two words are the received wisdom. Both words are inappropriate.
Cumulative archaeological evidence has shown that about 80% of the sites of the civilization are on banks of River Sarasvati. A more appropriate word may be "Sarasvati" to replace the word 'Indus'. Reference to 'script' assumes that it is a representation of phonetics, morphology and other grammatical features of spoken language(s). The brevity of the inscriptions about 5 to 6 glyphs on an average (depending upon which corpus one looks at and distinction of glyphs, between 'sign' category and 'pictorial' category) points to the impossibility of the 'script' having been alphabetic or even syllabic, particularly because there are hundreds of inscriptions which do not have any 'signs' of the script at all, but only pictorial motifs or field symbols. A more appropriate word may be 'writing system' to replace the word 'script'. A more appropriate title for the corpuses of Mahadevan, Parpola and Hunter can be: Sarasvati writing system.
The moment an assumption is made that 'script' by definition has to be alphabetic or syllabic, any decipherment effort collapses ab initio, unable to explain the 'meanings' or 'metaphors' conveyed by pictorial motifs or field symbols. Even the pundits who cry hoarse about 'harappan illiterates' have failed to explain what the glyphs 'meant'. If someone from Mars were to arrive at say, San Francisco international airport, he will think that the anti-hindu hate groups talking about 'illiteracy' should themselves be illiterates using forked-stick variants (with or without skirts) on toilet entrances to differentiate between men's and women's toilets.
One way that any decipherment is validated is by the use of some type of multi-lingual inscriptions or the equivalent of 'rosetta stone' which enabled Champollion to crack the code of Egyptian hieroglyphs.
Another fallacy introduced by critiques and decipherers alike is that there should be some type of 'universal' design imperative for a writing system. Just because a writing system, of say, Egyptian hieroglyphs, left long inscriptions (say, more than 5 or 6 glyphs). The world has seen many writing systems not excluding Kharoshthi or Brahmi or Coptic or Siddhamatrka, and not all of them are alike.
Bharatiya tradition provides a clear enunciation of a 'writing system'. In Vatsyayana's Vidyasamuddes'a s'loka, three categories (out of 64) arts are prescribed as required knowledge for youth: des'a bhaashaa jnaana; akshara mushthika kathanam; mlecchita vikalpa. In this triad, mlecchita vikalpa refers to cryptography or writing system on 'coppered' media. [mleccha-mukha 'copper' (Skt.); milakkhu 'copper' (Pali)]. Thus, a writing system is a crypt using glyphs. This generic definition can be applied to all later-day writing systems, too.
Some hindu-hate groups are reveling making serial attempts at a propaganda that the creators of inscriptions of Sarasvati civilization were 'illiterate'. This propaganda gimmick is again related to the definition of 'illiteracy' assuming that literacy is measured only by an alphabetic or syllabic writing system for a long string (longer than, say, five or six alphabets, syllables or words, as the case may be).
The moment we look at the inscriptions organized in a corpus like that of Iravatham Mahadevan, one will be struck by the fact that repetitive use of some glyphs (including signs and pictorial motifs) may point to some commonly understood idiom sought to be conveyed by the inscriptions. There is also evidence that the inscriptions were stamped on packages traded across the Persian Gulf and along theRiver Basins which provided for long-distance interactions.
The des'a bhaasha jnaana of the Sarasvati civilization area is such that it was a linguistic area (that is, an area where many language speakers interacted and absorbed language features from one another and made them their own).
How to validate any decipherment? Are there 'rosetta stones' available?
My submission is that there are 'rosetta stones' within the corpus of inscriptions and inscribed objects. Let me cite a few.
1. Two tin ingots with glyphs found at Haifa
2. A cylinder seal which contains many pictorial motifs including a pictorial of a unique plant, *tabernae montana*, identified brilliantly by Daniel Potts
3. A cylinder seal showing a pictorial motif of a meluhha (mleccha) merchant carrying an antelope (another pictorial motif) on his arm
4. Presence of over 200 copper plates with inscriptions (using both 'signs' and 'pictorial motifs') confirming the brilliant insight of James Muhly that the advent of metallurgy and the invention of a writing system could somehow be related events
5. Sohgaura copper plate and punch-marked coins from Takshas'ila to Karur containing a legacy of glyphs from the Sarasvati writing system
(See image of Sohgaura copper plate at
http://docs.google.com/File?id=ajhwbkz2nkfv_635hp9tjg )
The brevity of the glyphs (signs and pictorial motifs) is a continuum in the metallurgical tradition of Bharatam. Surprise ! An average of 5 or 6 glyphs adorn the early punch-marked coins. Also, copper plates become the preferred medium for conveying economic transactions or messages related to the polity. Given other indicators of continuity of culture from the days of Sarasvati civilization and the abiding nature of some of the glyphs as venerated metaphors (example, svastika, dotted circle, standard device, zebu, tiger looking back, antelope looking back), it is not unreasonable to look for the matching of the writing system with the languages of the civilization area.
The major problem created by many decipherers has been the a priori assumption that the glyphs are alphabets or syllables. Yes, many glyphs are decipherable as commonly used objects or animals or identifiable phenomena.
For example, tiger, elephant, rhinoceros, alligator, scorpion, bulls of three types (hifer, zebu, ox), antelope, ram, man on tree-branch, lady holding back two rearing tigers, circle with spokes, svastika, rim of short-necked jar, rimless wide-mouthed pot, fish, fish with fins).
There could be disagreements on what particular object was denoted by a particular 'sign'; but there could be little disagreement on the nature of or types of animals depicted.
One way to approach the decipherment problem is to take off from the definition of mlecchita vikalpa provided by Vatsyayana. If it was indeed an alternative representation of commonly spoken terms related to objects, animals or phenomena, a search for homonyms of the words related to these categories may yield, read rebus, the 'meaning' of hieroglyphs. For example, every decipherer or critique who claims illiteracy as a cop-out has to explain why for example, a tiger or an antelope is shown with its head turned backwards, why a person is shown hiding on a tree branch, why an elephant and a tiger flank a svastika glyph.
The problem melts away as soon as the list of homonyms is presented based on the languages of the civilization area. Rim of a jar is 'khan.d. kanka' (Santali); rebus: kan- 'copper'; khan.d. 'furnace'. Tiger looking back is: kol krammara (Munda); rebus: kol 'smithy'; karmaara 'smith'. Why tabernae montana? Tagaraka is 'fragrant jasmine, hair fragrance' (Skt.); tagara 'tin' (Tamil). Why a duck shown in a circle? There are two sets of homonyms related to 'duck':
http://docs.google.com/File?id=ajhwbkz2nkfv_633cxm3nw
(Image of seal with sign 62)
http://docs.google.com/File?id=ajhwbkz2nkfv_634hkhg96
(Sign 62)
Sign 62 (Mahadevan)
Set 1: Te.Ka.lex. kor.o 'duck' Mu. kod. workshop'
Set 2: Mundari.lex. vartaka =a duck (Skt. batak =a duck; vat.t.aka_ quail (Pali); vat.t.aya (Pkt.); bat.t.ai (N.)(CDIAL 11361). varta = *circular object; *turning round (Skt.); vat.u = twist (S.)(CDIAL 11346) bat.er = quail (Ku.B.); bat.ara, batara = the grey quail (Or.)(CDIAL 11350).
Rebus: bat.a; rebus, bat.a 'iron'; bat.a = quail (Santali) Rebus: bhat.a = furnace, kiln (Santali). vartaloha a kind of brass (Skt.); vat.t.alo_ha a partic.
Kind of metal (Pali); valt.o_a_ metal pitcher (L.); valt.oh, balt.oh (P.); bat.lohi_, bat.loi brass drinking and cooking vessel (H.); vat.loi(G.)(CDIAL 11357). Bar stone (Gypsy); bar. Stone ( Seur.Gypsy); bot. Stone (D.);; wa_t. (Ash.Wg.); wot. (Kt.); bo_t. (Dm.); bat. (Tir.Wot.); wa_t. (Gmb.); wa_t. stone, millstone (Gaw.); bat stone (Kal.); bort (Kho.)(CDIAL 11348).
In such mlecchita vikalpa, writing system of smiths, the duck in circle may have connoted a workshop with a furnace for smelting bat.a 'iron'.
Hence, the depiction of a duck, batak (Skt.)
In conclusion, Sarasvati hieroglyphs are a writing system. Each glyph (sign or pictorial motif) is a word. The word spoken to represent the object, or animal or phenomenon has a homonymous word (similar sounding word) which conveys the 'meaning' of the inscription. The inscriptions are an inventory of the smith and smithy's repertoire of minerals, metals, alloys, types of furnaces used (and perhaps also, metal artifacts produced from the smithy).
Early metalsmiths and miners were the inventors of the early writing system of Sarasvati hieroglyphs.
The puerile criticisms, rants and yearning for attention evidenced by the messages listed in the annex need not detain us here since the messages come from an anti-hindu hate group premised on the belief system of Biblical creationism, tower of babel and the false myth that nothing of importance could ever have been invented by the heathen in their blindness.
The simple answer to the well-known brevity of the glyphs (signs and pictorial motifs) is this: each glyph connoted a word whose homonym related to the repertoire of a metal- smithy. In a cultural continuum of Sarasvati civilization present even today in Bharatam, the glyphs are also present as abiding metaphors of a cultural legacy exemplified by the evolution of metallurgy contributed by the vis'vakarma artisans of the civilization.
My finding is: Sarasvati hieroglyphs are a writing system, a mlecchita vikalpa remembered by Vatsyayana as cryptography. It is not a coincidence that Vidura and Khanaka (yes, khanana, miner) converse with Yudhishthira in mleccha language in the jaatugriha parvan of Mahabharata (jaatugriha = palace made of shellac to burn the pandava alive). This averment is founded on the evidence of Sarasvati civilization as hindu civilization continuum.
The civilization did NOT die or vanish. One footnote: there ain't no need for the use of IEL in studying the linguistic area of Bharatam. Bhashya (study of bhaasha) can proceed without the use of IEL which is clearly a belief system.
For more see:
http://www.india-forum.com/articles/114/1/
Bronze-age-trade-and-meluhha-writing-system (Paper presented in ICAANE, Madrid, April 2006).
http://sarasvati95.googlepages.com/
http://kalyan97.googlepages.com/
http://www.hindunet.org/saraswati
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ajhwbkz2nkfv_620hs8zfc
IEL as a belief system
S. Kalyanaraman
7 February 2007
Annex: Harappan illiterates or illiterate researchers?
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Indo-Eurasian_research/message/6054
Feb. 6, 2007 The Farmer-Sproat-Witzel Model
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Indo-Eurasian_research/message/6030
Last night criticism
http://www.safarmer.com/fsw2.pdf
Harappan illiterates
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Indo-Eurasian_research/message/6010
Symposium on pseudo-decipherments
http://www.safarmer.com/fsw2.pdf
Harappan illiterates, again
- For example, on page 21, note 5 (see also below), you'll find us using your own evidence to falsify your claims that sign positions supposedly link the inscriptions to the Dravidian language family; Michael also underlined this fatal criticism of your work on the List earlier today;
- On page 22, note 6, we deal with your anachronistic association of Indus signs with Tamil traditions from thousands of years after the demise of Indus civilization, which reflects your well-known Dravidian ideological views;
- On page 28, n. 14, we discuss your misapplication of Mackay's formula as a supposed indicator of linguisticity (Sproat, incidentally, has recently shown that Mackay's formula doesn't even work for the languages to which Mackay claimed it was applicable; more on that on July 11th);
- On page p. 36, and again in Figure 7, we discuss the unorthodox methods you have used to understate the anomalous numbers of "singleton" signs in Indus inscriptions, which aren't easily compatible with any linguistic model;
- In Figure 12, striking examples are given of the way that you overstandardize inscriptions, which help makes mythological symbols look more like "writing"; "What do highway signs have in common with the 'Dravidian' model?":
http://www.safarmer.com/indus/signs.pdf http://www.safarmer.com/indus/prize.html
Empty challenge and bogus prize
http://www.safarmer.com/indus/simpleproof.html
The punchline:
> No ancient literate civilizations are known - not even > those that wrote extensively on perishable materials - > that did not also leave long texts behind on durable > materials. NB: there are no counterexamples, anywhere in > the world. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Indo-Eurasian_research/message/6041
Feb. 6, 2007 Witzel: Interestingly our (Farmer et al.'s) paper has not been discussed in print (except for one talk by A. Parpola in Tokyo in 2005, interesting story!), nor refuted so far, in spite of our 10k prize.
Rather, my siddhanta about the Indus signs is:"It looks like a script, it does NOT walk like a script, is isn't a script!"
On Feb 5, 2007, at 6:46 PM, Mani Manivannan wrote:
> Towards a scientific study of Indus Script: > an article by Iravatham Mahadevan http://www.hindu.com/mag/2007/02/04/stories/2007020400260500.htm
Mirrored at
http://docs.google.com/View?docid=ajhwbkz2nkfv_631dwdgf7&revision=_published
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