History Forum / General / General Topics / April 2008

like gore ever wrote that.....lemonhead

I plan on opening a ski resort near the beach in miami. I'll use a
small corner parcel of land after all the exxon stations are
nationalized and sold off. Want to own stock?

Special one time deal for you DemonCraps, I figure if al 'i-created-
the-internet' gore can make $Millions$ selling carbon credits, I'd
following in the footsteps of one of the *great* DemonicRat leaders of
all time.

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DemonCraps.... Making the lives of poor people even more miserable!
DemonCraps.... Save a planet, Starve a Nation

On Apr 24, 12:07�am, "SPQRROM...@aol.com" <SPQRROM...@aol.com> wrote:

When is your book, on the Mini Ice Age, being released to the book
stores?

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23583376-7583,00.html

Sorry to ruin the fun, but an ice age cometh

Phil Chapman | April 23, 2008

THE scariest photo I have seen on the internet is www.spaceweather.com,
where you will find a real-time image of the sun from the Solar and
Heliospheric Observatory, located in deep space at the equilibrium point
between solar and terrestrial gravity.

What is scary about the picture is that there is only one tiny sunspot.

Disconcerting as it may be to true believers in global warming, the average
temperature on Earth has remained steady or slowly declined during the past
decade, despite the continued increase in the atmospheric concentration of
carbon dioxide, and now the global temperature is falling precipitously.

All four agencies that track Earth's temperature (the Hadley Climate
Research Unit in Britain, the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies in
New York, the Christy group at the University of Alabama, and Remote Sensing
Systems Inc in California) report that it cooled by about 0.7C in 2007. This
is the fastest temperature change in the instrumental record and it puts us
back where we were in 1930. If the temperature does not soon recover, we
will have to conclude that global warming is over.

There is also plenty of anecdotal evidence that 2007 was exceptionally cold.
It snowed in Baghdad for the first time in centuries, the winter in China
was simply terrible and the extent of Antarctic sea ice in the austral
winter was the greatest on record since James Cook discovered the place in
1770.

It is generally not possible to draw conclusions about climatic trends from
events in a single year, so I would normally dismiss this cold snap as
transient, pending what happens in the next few years.

This is where SOHO comes in. The sunspot number follows a cycle of somewhat
variable length, averaging 11 years. The most recent minimum was in March
last year. The new cycle, No.24, was supposed to start soon after that, with
a gradual build-up in sunspot numbers.

It didn't happen. The first sunspot appeared in January this year and lasted
only two days. A tiny spot appeared last Monday but vanished within 24
hours. Another little spot appeared this Monday. Pray that there will be
many more, and soon.

The reason this matters is that there is a close correlation between
variations in the sunspot cycle and Earth's climate. The previous time a
cycle was delayed like this was in the Dalton Minimum, an especially cold
period that lasted several decades from 1790.

Northern winters became ferocious: in particular, the rout of Napoleon's
Grand Army during the retreat from Moscow in 1812 was at least partly due to
the lack of sunspots.

That the rapid temperature decline in 2007 coincided with the failure of
cycle No.24 to begin on schedule is not proof of a causal connection but it
is cause for concern.

It is time to put aside the global warming dogma, at least to begin
contingency planning about what to do if we are moving into another little
ice age, similar to the one that lasted from 1100 to 1850.

There is no doubt that the next little ice age would be much worse than the
previous one and much more harmful than anything warming may do. There are
many more people now and we have become dependent on a few temperate
agricultural areas, especially in the US and Canada. Global warming would
increase agricultural output, but global cooling will decrease it.

Millions will starve if we do nothing to prepare for it (such as planning
changes in agriculture to compensate), and millions more will die from
cold-related diseases.

There is also another possibility, remote but much more serious. The
Greenland and Antarctic ice cores and other evidence show that for the past
several million years, severe glaciation has almost always afflicted our
planet.

The bleak truth is that, under normal conditions, most of North America and
Europe are buried under about 1.5km of ice. This bitterly frigid climate is
interrupted occasionally by brief warm interglacials, typically lasting less
than 10,000 years.

The interglacial we have enjoyed throughout recorded human history, called
the Holocene, began 11,000 years ago, so the ice is overdue. We also know
that glaciation can occur quickly: the required decline in global
temperature is about 12C and it can happen in 20 years.

The next descent into an ice age is inevitable but may not happen for
another 1000 years. On the other hand, it must be noted that the cooling in
2007 was even faster than in typical glacial transitions. If it continued
for 20 years, the temperature would be 14C cooler in 2027.

By then, most of the advanced nations would have ceased to exist, vanishing
under the ice, and the rest of the world would be faced with a catastrophe
beyond imagining.

Australia may escape total annihilation but would surely be overrun by
millions of refugees. Once the glaciation starts, it will last 1000
centuries, an incomprehensible stretch of time.

If the ice age is coming, there is a small chance that we could prevent or
at least delay the transition, if we are prepared to take action soon enough
and on a large enough scale.

For example: We could gather all the bulldozers in the world and use them to
dirty the snow in Canada and Siberia in the hope of reducing the reflectance
so as to absorb more warmth from the sun.

We also may be able to release enormous floods of methane (a potent
greenhouse gas) from the hydrates under the Arctic permafrost and on the
continental shelves, perhaps using nuclear weapons to destabilise the
deposits.

We cannot really know, but my guess is that the odds are at least 50-50 that
we will see significant cooling rather than warming in coming decades.

The probability that we are witnessing the onset of a real ice age is much
less, perhaps one in 500, but not totally negligible.

All those urging action to curb global warming need to take off the blinkers
and give some thought to what we should do if we are facing global cooling
instead.

It will be difficult for people to face the truth when their reputations,
careers, government grants or hopes for social change depend on global
warming, but the fate of civilisation may be at stake.

In the famous words of Oliver Cromwell, "I beseech you, in the bowels of
Christ, think it possible you may be mistaken."

Phil Chapman is a geophysicist and astronautical engineer who lives in San
Francisco. He was the first Australian to become a NASA astronaut.

And Dems believe everything they hear.  The problem is that both
groups are such lemmings for their party they can't think
individually.

Take an anthro class, and you'll see that ice age trends do happen
regularly and from what I learned we are a little overdue for one.
Also what fossil records show is that a warming trend occurs right
before an ice age.

The main part I take issue with the Science vs Christianity is that
politics takes over intelligent thinking ruining any chance of an deep
and more meaningful discussion on things.  Plus, how long has man been
studying weather patterns?  How long has the earth been around?  Less
than 100 years of study for a planet that's over 40,000 years old.  I
think that more data needs to be input to really determine the true
cause of this warming trend.

Last point.  Winters have been longer too, which means there's an
equal and opposite cooling effect in the winter time.  In Seattle, we
just got snow this past weekend.  What's the significance?  It hardly
ever snows in the winter to begin with.  It gets cooler much sooner
and stays cooler much longer.  Spring and Fall are all but
eliminated.  That would suggest that perhaps something geographic is
involved too.

I'd like to change the title to "Political Shills are Morons".  Don't
be afraid to disagree with people you vote for, and "Friends Don't
friends vote straight ticket".  Our political system actually works
better with balance, well at least at one time it did.

hey stupid there are plenty of scientists that dont buy into this
money making scheme either.  jeezus are people this gullible.

On Apr 24, 4:01 am, "Don't Taze Me, Bro!" <No2Exis...@Earth71.net>
wrote:

So, tell me.  What caused the Little Ice Age?

Jane

On Apr 24, 1:01 am, "Don't Taze Me, Bro!" <No2Exis...@Earth71.net>
wrote:

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Guess. what nim-rod the Earth is always doing three things, heating,
cooling or maintaining the exact same temperature (which is near
impossible). By the way what in your expert opinion is the ideal
temperature for Earth? An ice age is not a response to global warming
you f.cking kook.