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Effect of Info Age On Theories of "General Causes"

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Bret Cahill - 26 Apr 2008 17:09 GMT
Newton set up numerical solutions to the vis viva where the "number
crunching" was just not practical to do by hand.  Celestial mechanics
could only be handled to a high degree of accuracy centuries later
with high speed digital computing.

DeTocqueville plays a role similar to Newton in political science.

DeTocqueville made a big deal about historians in ages of equality
attributing everything to "general causes" when great men also play a
role.

General causes certainly play a role even in aristocratic ages.
DeTocqueville presented dozens of brilliant ones himself, i. e., why
true federations never last, etc.

One of his theories was why historians in democratic times overused or
abused theories of general causes.  The reason was it was impossible
to keep track of all the players.  Only God could handle each and
every person.

So historians and political scientists tried the best they could with
their faulty theories of general causes.

(BTW, this is about the errors by independent political scientists
_not_ corp. media pundits who have a conflict of interest with the
truth.)

All this has changed now.  It is now possible for a few people to
"number crunch" every last player.

For example, are there jihaders in the corp. media trying to keep us
in the unpopular Iraq quagmire?

If so it's not necessary to rely on faulty theories or to broad brush
all the corp. media.  Just launch a Wiki style web page soliciting the
public for the names of the jingoistic journalists.

Then out the jihaders on that web page.

The public can be just like God, at least in the political sphere.

Bret Cahill
Immortalist - 26 Apr 2008 17:24 GMT
> Newton set up numerical solutions to the vis viva where the "number
> crunching" was just not practical to do by hand.  Celestial mechanics
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> to keep track of all the players.  Only God could handle each and
> every person.

He saw democracy as an equation that balanced liberty and equality,
concern for the individual as well as the community. A critic of
individualism, Tocqueville thought that association, the coming
together of people for common purpose, would bind Americans to an idea
of nation larger than selfish desires, thus making a civil society
which wasn't exclusively dependent on the state.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexis_de_Tocqueville

> So historians and political scientists tried the best they could with
> their faulty theories of general causes.
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>
> Bret Cahill
brian fletcher - 27 Apr 2008 01:16 GMT
On Apr 26, 9:09 am, Bret Cahill <BretCah...@aol.com> wrote:
> Newton set up numerical solutions to the vis viva where the "number
> crunching" was just not practical to do by hand. Celestial mechanics
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> to keep track of all the players. Only God could handle each and
> every person.

He saw democracy as an equation that balanced liberty and equality,
concern for the individual as well as the community. A critic of
individualism, Tocqueville thought that association, the coming
together of people for common purpose, would bind Americans to an idea
of nation larger than selfish desires, thus making a civil society
which wasn't exclusively dependent on the state.

***A classic example of a visionary, who has confused "what he is" with what
sees.
***Conflict in a society is always the result.

BOfL
Immortalist - 27 Apr 2008 06:47 GMT
> On Apr 26, 9:09 am, Bret Cahill <BretCah...@aol.com> wrote:
>
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> BOfL-

Do you mean beause he was a critic of extreme individualism?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZAg73gGHNG0
Bret Cahill - 27 Apr 2008 14:02 GMT
It's clear neither one of you have read DeTocqueville.

Bret Cahill
brian fletcher - 28 Apr 2008 00:32 GMT
> It's clear neither one of you have read DeTocqueville.
>
> Bret Cahill

That illustrates your perception that truth is found through others pov.

But of course, you are reading me, so while you are, try and think of any
series of world conflicts that didnt originate insdie a 'visionaries' head.

(You are not really reading me, just stirring up your own resource of
awareness;-)

Ill start the ball rolling with Marks.....

BOfL
brian fletcher - 28 Apr 2008 00:28 GMT
On Apr 26, 5:16 pm, "brian fletcher" <bigflet...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Immortalist" <reanimater_2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
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>
> BOfL-

Do you mean beause he was a critic of extreme individualism?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZAg73gGHNG0

Yes and no.

BOfL
 
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