History Forum / General / General Topics / July 2008

Oops! David Irving is not an historian, he is a proven liar, racist, and
author who deliberately falsified history.

Do try to pay attention.

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/i/irving-david/judgment-13-01.html

The specific historiographical criticisms of Irving

13.9 As appears from section V above, the Defendants have selected
nineteen instances where they contend that Irving has in one way or
another distorted the evidence. Having considered the arguments, which I
have summarised at some length, I have come to the conclusion that the
criticisms advanced by the Defendants are almost invariably well-founded.
For whatever reason (and I shall consider later the question of Irving's
motivation), I am satisfied that in most of the instances cited by the
Defendants Irving has significantly misrepresented what the evidence,
objectively examined, reveals.

13.10 Whilst it is by no means a conclusive consideration, it is right
that I should bear in mind that the criticisms which the Defendants make
of Irving's historiography are supported by the evidence of historians of
the greatest distinction. They are set out (along with many other similar
criticisms that the Defendants have not pressed in the submissions made in
these proceedings) in the meticulous written report of Evans, who is
himself an historian of high standing. In the course of his prolonged
cross-examination, Evans justified each and every one of the criticisms on
which the Defendants have chosen to rely. In several instances his
criticisms were supported by the Defendants' other experts, van Pelt,
Browning and Longerich. I am satisfied that each of them is outstanding in
his field. I take note of the fact that the expert witnesses who were
summoned by Irving to give evidence on his behalf did not in their
evidence dispute the validity of the points made by Evans; nor did they
seek to support or justify Irving's portrayal of Hitler.

13.11 Whilst I take account of the standing of the witnesses who have
spoken to the criticisms of Irving as an historian, I must arrive at my
own assessment of the evidence relating to the nineteen instances relied
on by the Defendants. In doing so, I have well in mind that many of the
documents which I will need to analyse were chosen by Irving himself
because they demonstrate, according to him, that Hitler was a friend of
the Jews. Having set out the arguments at length in section V above, I am
able to express my conclusions more succinctly than would otherwise have
been the case. Whilst I will not attempt to address every argument that
has been mounted, I will indicate in each case the reasons why I have
concluded that Irving has misrepresented the evidence.

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The aftermath of Kristallnacht (paragraphs 5.73-89 above)

13.19 Notwithstanding Irving's argument, I am unable to detect any
evidence that Goebbels felt apprehensive when he went to see Hitler on the
morning of 10 November. It is in my judgment inconsistent with the
evidence of what Hitler had ordered in the course of the previous night.
Goebbels' diary entry about his meeting with Hitler at the Osteria is
clear evidence of Hitler's approval of the pogrom. Irving very properly
quotes the entry but immediately follows the quotation with the
categorical assertion that Goebbels was making a false claim in his diary
about Hitler's approval. I do not accept that the available evidence
justifies Irving's dismissal of this diary entry by Goebbels.

13.20 I accept the evidence given by Evans that Irving's account of the
investigation into the events of Kristallnacht and such disciplinary
action was taken thereafter fails lamentably to reveal to his readers how
much of a whitewash it was. I have summarised in paragraphs 5.79 and 5.80
above the evidence of the cursory investigation and the derisorily
inadequate disciplinary action taken. Irving, in Goebbels, ignores these
deficiencies.

Oops!

It was the Jews who did call for an boycott of German bossiness in newyork
and London. The details of why and how could all be read in German news
papers from 1918 till 1939. Unfortunally this news paper articles about it
are forbidden to be re printed in German news papers of today.
Kurt Knoll.

If it weren't for the constant reminders by neo-Nazis, Holocaust
deniers and assorted demented Jew-haters we might forget about WWII
and what the Germans did there.No modern,technically advanced nation
in the world ever brought so much destruction,murder, torture,
suffering and human degradation  than Germans under the Nazi banner
during that historical era.No other people ever financed, organized
and built gas chambers & crematoria dedicated to the widespread
slaughter of huge numbers of human beings. No other country in the
world organized a rail transportation system dedicated to rounding
up,primarily Jews specifically, to be delivered to various
concentration camps for gassing to death or working to death ordinary
innocent civillians for no other reason except their ethnicity.No
other people, than Germans, ever organized the removal of gold teeth
from the cadavers, nor has any other harvest female human hair to be
sold for industrial purposes of the German war machine. Germans paid
for their support of Nazism and Hitler by having their cities
destroyed, surrendered unconditionallY,occupied and forever in history
suffer an indelible stain for their barbarism forever. Because of
their invasion of Russia- believed by the meglomaniac Hitler,"would
take Russia in 9 months"- resulted in Russia becoming one of the
largest military & nuclear powers in the world. Three generations of
Germans are and have been a democracy by choice and distance
themselves from their horrible past. Only the remnant dregs of wannabe
Nazis or fellow illusionists, who glory in the "good old days of
carnage" glorify Hitler and continue to hate Jews.
Germany's Chancellor(freely elected by the German people) Angela
Merkel, addressed the Knesset, Israel's parliament, during a special
session of the Knesset in Jerusalem.
She said,"Germany and Israel are linked "in a very special way" by the
memory of the Holocaust, in which 6 million Jews were killed under
Nazi Germany and its allies in World War II, she said in the first
address a German chancellor has ever made to the Knesset.
"The Holocaust fills us with shame," she said. "I bow my head before
the survivors and I bow my head before you in tribute to the fact that
you were able to survive."
Anti-Semitism, racism and xenophobia "must never take root again in
Germany or in Europe," she said, and vowed to battle any flare-ups."
Those Jew haters also hate Chancellor Merkel and consider the
democratic German people fools too.

In article <fZljk.99240$kx.34475@pd7urf3no>, "Kurt Knoll"
<kknoll3@yahoo.com> wrote:

Warum betraf dieser Boykott die Juden in Norwegen, Griechenland und
Litauen? Halte ich Kurt Knoll für einen blöden Hund, habe ich die
Berechtigung alle den Namen Kurt tragenden Leute in der ganzen Welt
umzubringen?

Während dieser Zeitlang ist Deutschland wortgetreu auferstanden aus
Ruinen. Der Boykott hat diese Entwicklung kaum gehindert.

Mensch, wie du spinnst! Man braucht solche Artikel nicht wiederzudrücken,
weil sie jedem sie zu lesen wollenden in jeder deutschen
Universitätsbibliothek zur Verfügung stehen.

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Mit deutschem Gruß,
Eugene Holman