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History Forum / General / General Topics / June 2004Let Us Get Rid Of The Vatican If We Want A Peaceful World
Does Mecca insist on this:"COMMUNION WITH MECCA?" Absolutely not. Yet the Muslim world is tied together around Mecca, yet independent from it at the same. Why is that the Vatican muddles in other states policies under the guise of Church policies or canon Law or freedom of religion? Why does the Vatican lead people to believe that the Roman Curia is the universal Church? Did the levites claimed to be the whole Israel just because they were mandated by God to offer sacrifice on behalf of the nation of Israel? Did the levites want to have their says in other nations social policies just because some levites or some israelites live in those nations? The road to peace is the death of the vatican. DOWN WITH COCA COLA THEOLOGY!!!!!!! I dunno. Maybe we should examine the existence of the Roman Catholic church. Or maybe you could ask Pope John Paul Antichrist himself.  SignatureCriticizing a religion is something that makes people squeamish, especially in the paranoid culture of political correctness. http://www.prophetofdoom.net/prologue.html > Does Mecca insist on this:"COMMUNION WITH MECCA?" > Absolutely not. Yet the Muslim world is tied together [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > DOWN WITH COCA COLA THEOLOGY!!!!!!! Uh oh! the protestant wacko has climbec out of his hole. The Jesus said to love one another even as he loved us, but ol' Dave hates the pope. What a Christian guy! Al > I dunno. Maybe we should examine the existence of the Roman Catholic church. > Or maybe you could ask Pope John Paul Antichrist himself. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > > > DOWN WITH COCA COLA THEOLOGY!!!!!!! Why don't we get rid of you first, Dupie? SignatureSome Qur'an quotes: 5:20 qaala muusaa 5:21 "yaa qawmi ´dkhuluu ´l-'arDa ´l-muqaddasata ´llatii kataba ´llaahu lakum" 17:104 waqulnaa ... libanii 'israa'iila "´skunuu ´l-'arDa" || In English: Moses said, "My people, go into the Holy Land which God has assigned to you!" And we said to the Children of Israel, "Inhabit the land!" http://symbolictruth.fateback.com/ > Does Mecca insist on this:"COMMUNION WITH MECCA?" > Absolutely not. Yet the Muslim world is tied together [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > DOWN WITH COCA COLA THEOLOGY!!!!!!! After islam, Catholicism is the worst scourge ever on mankind. Catholicism strongly pressures it's followers to breed as many children as possible, regardless of the family's ability to support them. This leads to poverty and misery wherever Catholicism is the dominant religion. And the asinine concept of celibacy leads many priests to become faggots and child molesters. And these are the same people normal married people go to for guidance??? Imagine how much better the world would be if so many souls were not enslaved under these primitive, evil institutions. > > Does Mecca insist on this:"COMMUNION WITH MECCA?" > > Absolutely not. Yet the Muslim world is tied together [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Imagine how much better the world would be if so many souls were not > enslaved under these primitive, evil institutions. The only possible solution is the de-centralization of the Roman Curia so as to give to any given nation its own Curia with the authority to advise the government on social policies issues. No need to consult Rome. JMJ >snip< >The only possible solution is the de-centralization >of the Roman Curia so as to give to any given nation >its own Curia with the authority to advise the >government on social policies issues. No need to >consult Rome. Already been tried in the Reformation and look what happened. The result was at last count there were 33, 829 different Protestant Churchs From: "Jim Carew" <othmer@prodigy.net> Subject: Number of Christian Denominations Date: Sunday, March 28, 2004 3:18 PM Researcher tabulates world's believers BY RICHARD N. OSTLING THE ASSOCIATED PRESS June 11 2001 Per David B. Barrett in World Christian Encyclopedia, published by Oxford University Press, "within Christianity, he counts 33,830 denominations" And from the Protestant Park Street Church Pulpit we have this quote: "The most recent edition of the World Christian Encyclopedia claims that there are now about 3,400,000 churches worldwide which represent more than 33,000 distinct Christian denominations, and that the number of denominations doubles almost every 25 years" unquote See: http://www.parkstreet.org/pulpit/studyq02/021002.shtml Jim Carew sfo "JCarew" <othmer@prodigy.net> wrote in message > Already been tried in the Reformation and look what > happened. The result was at last count there were > 33, 829 different Protestant Churchs > "The most recent edition of the World > Christian Encyclopedia claims that [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > and that the number of denominations > doubles almost every 25 years" A tribute to the human ego and to human vanity! The church of Jesus will be united after hell freezes over! > JMJ > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > happened. The result was at last count there were > 33, 829 different Protestant Churchs The separation of Church and state breeds 40,000 denominations not decentralization. Constantine was faced with the same issues of thousand heresies, but he was smart enough to ask the bishops to harmonize their viws and doctine hence the different councils in the Roman Empire: One Nation, One Church, One faith. On the other hand what american constitutional writers did by separating Church and state was quiete the opposite.This explains the 40,000 denominations you talk about. Equating separation of Church and State with freedom of religion was an error. Decentralization or autocephalous Church has not been tried yet. > From: "Jim Carew" <othmer@prodigy.net> > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > Jim Carew sfo Codebreaker@bigsecret.com (Not-easily-duped) wrote (in alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic): > The only possible solution is the de-centralization of the Roman > Curia so as to give to any given nation its own Curia with the > authority to advise the government on social policies issues. > No need to consult Rome. Pick any mainline Protestant denomination and see what THAT leads to. The Catholic Church survives intact for 2,000 years, yet in just 500 years the Reformation has separated hundreds of millions of Christians from the Church and splintered what sects grew out of it into the tens of thousands. Great frikkin' idea. Apparently you ARE so easily duped. SignatureGod Bless, Michael > Codebreaker@bigsecret.com (Not-easily-duped) wrote (in > alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic): [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Reformation has separated hundreds of millions of Christians from the > Church and splintered what sects grew out of it into the tens of thousands. Because the reformation did not know any better. Why did Mohammad successed where Martin Luther failed? Because Mohammad knew how to reconcile Christ and State. Read his Catechese also known as the Qur'an. Just because you know you are sick does not mean that you can cure the ailement. Martin Luther knew that papacy was corrupt but he did not know what State and Christ relation looks like from God's perpective, otherwise there would not be 400,0000 denominations today. The best prostestation against papacy and Catholicism is Islam. If anyone tells you that the system put in place by papacy was what God meant for nations around the world, he is a liar. If anyoane tells you that the world was meant to be religiously goeverned from Rome, he is a liar. Just ask him why the first centuries papacy did not try to convert China or Persia or India? > Great frikkin' idea. Apparently you ARE so easily duped. > Codebreaker@bigsecret.com (Not-easily-duped) wrote (in > alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic): [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Reformation has separated hundreds of millions of Christians from the > Church and splintered what sects grew out of it into the tens of thousands. You know why, because freedom of religion has been manipulated by poticians. Buy If each head of State did what Constantine had done long ago, things would have been different. > Great frikkin' idea. Apparently you ARE so easily duped. > Does Mecca insist on this:"COMMUNION WITH MECCA?" > Absolutely not. Yet the Muslim world is tied together > around Mecca, yet independent from it at the same. Perhaps if you understood the connect between Islam and Mecca you would understand how idiotic your posts read. JohnN > > Does Mecca insist on this:"COMMUNION WITH MECCA?" > > Absolutely not. Yet the Muslim world is tied together > > around Mecca, yet independent from it at the same. > > Perhaps if you understood the connect between Islam and Mecca you > would understand how idiotic your posts read. Why don't you go head and enlighten me on this? And not only on this but also on the connection between Catholicism and Rome. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Who do they think makes these changes? They sent an arrow right and it landed left. They run after a deer and found themselves chased by a hog -..... -...... -...... They dug pits to trap others and they fell in them. They should be careful about what they want. Rumi > JohnN > > > Does Mecca insist on this:"COMMUNION WITH MECCA?" > > > Absolutely not. Yet the Muslim world is tied together [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Catholicism and Rome. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Futile attemp at enlightening a stump follows: First, Mecca is one of three holy sites in Islam. It contains the holiest shrine in Islam. It is therefore the destination for millions of Muslims for their annual pilgrimage. Muslims pray five times a day facing Mecca and the shrine. Second, there is no universal Islamic council or ruling body located in Mecca. Third, the only connection between the RCC and Rome is the Vatican city-state is surrounded by the city of Rome. Now why did you ask about the connection between Rome and the Catholic Church when in your first idiodic post you never mentioned any such thing? JohnN > > > > Does Mecca insist on this:"COMMUNION WITH MECCA?" > > > > Absolutely not. Yet the Muslim world is tied together [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > First, Mecca is one of three holy sites in Islam. It contains the > holiest shrine in Islam. It is therefore the destination for millions You missed the point. > of Muslims for their annual pilgrimage. Muslims pray five times a day > facing Mecca and the shrine. I NEVER HEARD ABOUT COMMUNION WITH MECCA AT ALL COST. > Second, there is no universal Islamic council or ruling body located > in Mecca. And this is what I praised. Less politics imposed on other nations as religion. Mecca would never interfere in what is going on elsewhere. On the other hand Vatican wants a preferential treantment of Catholics around the world. When egyptians catholics fight against egyptians Muslims, it is none of Vatican business because they are all egyptians able to put national interest before doctrinal difference. When Vatican asks catholics not to marry Muslims, it is making a political decision disguised as religious one. Marriage is also a civil matter and Vatican should have no say about what is going elsewhere specially in countries where people makes no difference between politics and religion > Third, the only connection between the RCC and Rome is the Vatican > city-state is surrounded by the city of Rome. > > Now why did you ask about the connection between Rome and the Catholic > Church when in your first idiodic post you never mentioned any such > thing? It was implied. You missed the point of my point. > JohnN > > > > > Does Mecca insist on this:"COMMUNION WITH MECCA?" > > > > > Absolutely not. Yet the Muslim world is tied together [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > You missed the point. Then state your point clearly. > > of Muslims for their annual pilgrimage. Muslims pray five times a day > > facing Mecca and the shrine. > > I NEVER HEARD ABOUT COMMUNION WITH MECCA AT ALL COST. What does "communion with Mecca" mean? > > Second, there is no universal Islamic council or ruling body located > > in Mecca. > > And this is what I praised. Less politics imposed on other nations as > religion. Mecca would never interfere in what is going on elsewhere. Mecca is just a city. Do you fear Chicago or Tampa imposing politics on others? > On the other hand Vatican wants a preferential treantment of Catholics > around the world. When egyptians catholics fight against egyptians > Muslims, it is none of Vatican business because they are all egyptians > able to put national interest before doctrinal difference. So peaceful people have no business trying to stop a war because that war is somewhere else? > When Vatican asks catholics not to marry Muslims, it is making a political > decision disguised as religious one. Perhaps the RCC fears difficulties between spouces in mixed marriages. Perhaps they have some expertise in the matter. Marriage is also a civil matter and > Vatican should have no say about what is going elsewhere specially > in countries where people makes no difference between politics and religion In those countries where politics and religion are mixed, theocracies, the Vatican can and should speakup to preserve the rights of religious and political minorities, especially if those minorities include Catholics. > > Third, the only connection between the RCC and Rome is the Vatican > > city-state is surrounded by the city of Rome. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > It was implied. You missed the point of my point. Then state your point clearly, especially how Vatican and Catholic became Rome and Catholic. JohnN > > > > > > Does Mecca insist on this:"COMMUNION WITH MECCA?" > > > > > > Absolutely not. Yet the Muslim world is tied together [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > and political minorities, especially if those minorities include > Catholics. The Vatican is a state and should mind its own business like any other state. You might be thinking that the Roman Curia is the Church. It ain't. It is a temporal power disguising itself as THE CHURCH in order to fool the non-initiates. Mohammad was not fooled as it Catechese also known as the Qur'an state clearly. > > > Third, the only connection between the RCC and Rome is the Vatican > > > city-state is surrounded by the city of Rome. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Then state your point clearly, especially how Vatican and Catholic > became Rome and Catholic. You might be thinking that the Roman Curia is the Church. Wrong no matter how they much claim so > JohnN > The Vatican is a state and should mind its own business like any other state. > You might be thinking that the Roman Curia is the Church. > It ain't. It is a temporal power disguising itself as > THE CHURCH in order to > fool the non-initiates. Mohammad was not fooled as it Catechese also > known as the Qur'an state clearly. I think that we all agree in alt.history that religion of any denomination should stay the hell out of politics and interference with government. In the US, any religious organization that lobbies, donates or in any other way tries to influence the government should automatically become a corporation with all the tax libilites thereof. > The Vatican is a state and should mind its own business like any other state. > You might be thinking that the Roman Curia is the Church. > It ain't. It is a temporal power disguising itself as > THE CHURCH in order to > fool the non-initiates. Mohammad was not fooled as it Catechese also > known as the Qur'an state clearly. The USA doesn't mind its own business, why should The Vatican? Great Britian doesn't either and the head of its official church, Queen Elizebeth II also is head of the government. Life must be hard for you, being so clueless and showing it to the world. > > > > Third, the only connection between the RCC and Rome is the Vatican > > > > city-state is surrounded by the city of Rome. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > You might be thinking that the Roman Curia is the Church. > Wrong no matter how they much claim so The Roman Curia is Rome? Delusional. JohnN > > The Vatican is a state and should mind its own business like any other state. > > You might be thinking that the Roman Curia is the Church. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Life must be hard for you, being so clueless and showing it to the > world. It is you who are clueless for making my point without knowing it. Vatican is temporal power. Great Britain or America move forward bare faced. The Vatican puts on mask, this is where the differences are. We are here to combat any kind of imperialism, be it vaticanus and it numerous celibat agents that it send around the world in contradiction with local requirements and values for a healthy society. > > > > > Third, the only connection between the RCC and Rome is the Vatican > > > > > city-state is surrounded by the city of Rome. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > JohnN > > The Vatican is a state and should mind its own business like any other state. > > You might be thinking that the Roman Curia is the Church. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > The Roman Curia is Rome? Delusional. I wonder where you get this idea from? I never stated that. But anyway you would want to research the history of the Roman Curia since the time of Caesar. Maybe you will understand why the bishop of Rome want to rule the world from Rome. > JohnN > > > The Vatican is a state and should mind its own business like any other state. > > > You might be thinking that the Roman Curia is the Church. [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > I wonder where you get this idea from? I never stated that. Probably from you. You seem to interchange Rome and the Vatican and the RRC on a whim. I can't follow what you write because you keep changing your terms. > But anyway you would want to research the history of the Roman Curia > since the time of Caesar. Maybe you will understand why the bishop of Rome > want to rule the world from Rome. I have no interest in your conspiracy. there are too many secret organizations plotting to rule the world. Personally I'm pulling for Pinky and the Brain. JohnN > > > > The Vatican is a state and should mind its own business like any other state. > > > > You might be thinking that the Roman Curia is the Church. [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > the RRC on a whim. I can't follow what you write because you keep > changing your terms. I am not here to educate you but to exchange with you. That said, I assume that you can follow and keep up with me when I use Vatican, Roman Curia and Rome. Vatican is the nowadays state of the celibats. Roman Curia is the body which assists papacy in the administration of affairs of the Catholic Church. Roman Curia is a pre-Christian term. Rome is the imperial capital of the Roman Empire and the centre of Authority. I used Rome in its imperial context and not as the capital of Italy. From Rome to Vatican and From the former Roman Curia to the present one, there is too much to say. Now, where does the Church of Jesus fits in this? ======================================================================== They dug pit to trap other, they fell in it They should be careful about what they want > > But anyway you would want to research the history of the Roman Curia > > since the time of Caesar. Maybe you will understand why the bishop of Rome [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > JohnN > > > > The Vatican is a state and should mind its own business like any other state. > > > > You might be thinking that the Roman Curia is the Church. [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > the RRC on a whim. I can't follow what you write because you keep > changing your terms. I am not here to educate you but to exchange with you. That said, I assume that you can follow and keep up with me when I use Vatican, Roman Curia and Rome. Vatican is the nowadays state of the celibats. Roman Curia is the body which assists papacy in the administration of affairs of the Catholic Church. Roman Curia is a pre-Christian term. Rome is the imperial capital of the Roman Empire and the centre of Authority. I used Rome in its imperial context and not as the capital of Italy. From Rome to Vatican and From the former Roman Curia to the present one, there is too much to say. Now, where does the Church of Jesus fits in this? ======================================================================== They dug pit to trap other, they fell in it They should be careful about what they want > > But anyway you would want to research the history of the Roman Curia > > since the time of Caesar. Maybe you will understand why the bishop of Rome [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > JohnN > I am not here to educate you but to exchange with you. > That said, I assume that you can follow and keep up with me when I use [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > From Rome to Vatican and From the former Roman Curia to the present one, > there is too much to say. Now, where does the Church of Jesus fits in this? The Church of Jesus Christ is the Roman Catholic Church. The RRC is seated at The Vatican. The RRC is led by the Pope, currently John Paul II. The Roman curia is the administrative arm of the RRC. The Roman Empire fell over 1200 years ago. Imperial Rome does not exist anymore. Mussolini tried to re-establish Empirial Rome but failed in 1945. You wrote: > > > But anyway you would want to research the history of the Roman Curia > > > since the time of Caesar. Maybe you will understand why the bishop of Rome > > > want to rule the world from Rome. And Again, I posted: > > I have no interest in your conspiracy. there are too many secret > > organizations plotting to rule the world. Personally I'm pulling for > > Pinky and the Brain. You are delusional. Good day. > > I am not here to educate you but to exchange with you. > > That said, I assume that you can follow and keep up with me when I use [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > The Church of Jesus Christ is the Roman Catholic Church. The RRC is How would we verify that? Where is your proof > seated at The Vatican. The RRC is led by the Pope, currently John > Paul II. The Roman curia is the administrative arm of the RRC. > > The Roman Empire fell over 1200 years ago. Imperial Rome does not But its national Church still exists selling itself as the universal Church of Jesus the Christ. This is my contention. > exist anymore. Mussolini tried to re-establish Empirial Rome but > failed in 1945. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > You are delusional. Good day. Why don't you tell us how the Roman Imperial and National Church became the Universal Church Somebody want to send this clown a nickle bag? > Does Mecca insist on this:"COMMUNION WITH MECCA?" > Absolutely not. Yet the Muslim world is tied together [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > DOWN WITH COCA COLA THEOLOGY!!!!!!! > Somebody want to send this clown a nickle bag? You do. So go ahead and send it big mouth. > > Does Mecca insist on this:"COMMUNION WITH MECCA?" > > Absolutely not. Yet the Muslim world is tied together [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > > > DOWN WITH COCA COLA THEOLOGY!!!!!!! |
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