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Palestine Belongs To The Romans

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Tim Alciere - 26 Jun 2004 10:45 GMT
The name Palestine derives from the Palatine Hill in Rome where the
Emperors built their palaces.Similiar names are found in the Roman
Empire all named after The Palatine Hill  eg. the Palatinate or
Rheinpfalz in Germany which was Roman territory. Pfalz is a corruption
of Palast and of course Palatinate is named after the Palatine Hill.
Romans and other peoples from the north were in this area long before
the Hebrews and other semitic people moved in from the desert. Just
because you have a collection of old scrolls written by hebrews etc.
claiming you were given the land by god haha proves nothing. None of
you desert people  have ever been able to govern or administer the
land and there will only be order when more advanced and intelligent
people govern Palestine. When we return we may permit you to stay and
practise your heathen religions provided you obey our rules and
behave.
And for those of you from south western Asia who adopted the hebrew
religion-YOUR ANCESTORS ARE NOT FROM PALESTINE any more than people
from Europe who adopted that other hebrew religion-Christianity.
Bernardz - 26 Jun 2004 13:09 GMT
> The name Palestine derives from the Palatine Hill in Rome where the
> Emperors built their palaces

A lie. It derives from the old Greek name of the area long before the
Romans came to the region.

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nubis - 26 Jun 2004 13:41 GMT
>> The name Palestine derives from the Palatine Hill in Rome where the
>> Emperors built their palaces
>
>A lie. It derives from the old Greek name of the area long before the
>Romans came to the region.

It is mentioned in "The Histories" by Herodotus- approximately 446 BC.
Tim Alciere - 26 Jun 2004 22:50 GMT
> >> The name Palestine derives from the Palatine Hill in Rome where the
> >> Emperors built their palaces
> >
> >A lie. It derives from the old Greek name of the area long before the
> >Romans came to the region.

Wrong. I noticed one thing about jews, they seem to believe if they
repeat a lie enough times that people will believe it.

.

The fact of the matter is that the Italic peoples of central Europe
migrated south into Italy where there were already Italic settlements,
and what is now Greece and the middle east over 25,000 years ago. The
middle east was not populated and no towns existed. After the flooding
in the Mediterean basin at the end of the last ice age most people
moved to different locations. It wasn't until 20,000 years had elapsed
that the primitive people from the savannah(desert today) moved into
Egypt and then Judea.
Roger R. - 26 Jun 2004 23:13 GMT
> > >> The name Palestine derives from the Palatine Hill in Rome where the
> > >> Emperors built their palaces
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> that the primitive people from the savannah(desert today) moved into
> Egypt and then Judea.

That's strange, because about 100,000 years ago, a small tribe of the
original humans passed through the middle east setting out to find new lands
to live in, resulting in populating the earth with people.

I find it difficult to believe that some of them didn't stay on the Nile,
the Tigris-Euphrates, and along the shores of the eastern Mediterranean. So
why would Egypt and Judea have been depopulated later?
michael price - 27 Jun 2004 06:38 GMT
> > nubis <nubis@iiiiiwonnn.com> wrote in message
>  news:<0nrqd05bf35lg776q68idc5vf30iu4ugbb@4ax.com>...
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> I find it difficult to believe that some of them didn't stay on the Nile,
> the Tigris-Euphrates, and along the shores of the eastern Mediterranean.

 Well considering that the Nile and Tigris-Euphrates were about the best land
on the continent that does seem strange.

> So why would Egypt and Judea have been depopulated later?
catchmerevisited - 27 Jun 2004 02:29 GMT
I noticed one thing about jews, they seem to believe if they
> repeat a lie enough times that people will believe it.

Reminds me of the Kinsey Institute and their research on domestic assaults.
They were proven to have released an inaccurate version of the data they
accumulated in a study, in a National Post article in its inaugural year
(1998) juxtaposed and spun in such a manner one was led to believe that men
were in the majority by far the agressor over those attacks initiated by
women (at which time was supported by a Joey Thompson article in the same
year by the Province newspaper reporting on the case of J v. Arsenault and
subsequent articles on the subject about Women Activists paying Joey a
personal visit in an attempt to present their 'facts'), when by and large
the opposite was proven.
What was missing from their report was that after accumulating all their
data, they decided to limit their report to those of REPORTED incidents to
authorities.
As a male who was the victim of assaults by women going back as far as my
toddler years (my mother for one tried to kill me just for having a penis-
she hated men for so long I don't know what prompted her to marry, have sex
and give birth; but what is worse is I at an unconscious level seem to find
women in relationships who are just as prone to violence and for which I
have gotten into a certain amount of trouble for attempting to defend
myself), I know too well the stigma placed upon males to "take it like a
man".
We know there are many examples where men have followed this advice to their
own peril, to which we might infer women are far from helpless.
Jim F. - 26 Jun 2004 17:53 GMT
> > The name Palestine derives from the Palatine Hill in Rome where the
> > Emperors built their palaces
>
> A lie. It derives from the old Greek name of the area long before the
> Romans came to the region.

And the Greeks when naming it were referring to the Philistines,
a people that apparently had immigrated there from Crete,
and are mentioned in the Bible as having fought against the
Hebrews who were attempting to displace them.
Paul A Abeles - 27 Jun 2004 16:46 GMT
Historical overview
The term Palestine originates with the Philistines, who inhabited the
southern coast of the region in biblical times. The name appears to have
been in continuous use from that time to the present. The Philistines were
defeated in about 1000BC, but the Greek historian Herodotus writing 500BC,
and believing himself to be writing nine centuries after Moses, referred to
seemingly the entire eastern coast of the Mediterannean as Palestinian
Syria. The Roman historian, Pliny the elder, writing before the first Jewish
revolt also referred to this region as Palestine, though at the time that he
wrote none of the official Roman names for regions in this area was
"Palestine", and in this sense the name was no longer used. The name
Palestine was officially reintroduced by the Romans following the second
Jewish revolt of Bar Kokhba of 132-135 A.D in the province of Judea. The
Romans adopted the name for the province, possibly in an effort to erase any
memories of the Judean rebels they defeated. Similarly, Jerusalem,
Palestine's historic capital, was renamed Aelia Capitolina.

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/History-of-Palestine
Riain Y. Barton - 28 Jun 2004 02:59 GMT
Listen to Zuheir Mohsein, official with the PLO's military wing and
Executive Council, in his interview with the Dutch newspaper, Trouw, on
3/31/77, and see how he explained this strategy:

 There are no differences between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians,
etc...It is only for political reasons that we now carefully underline
Palestinian identity....this serves only a tactical purpose...a new tool in
the continuing battle against Israel.
Despite the passage of time, these basic truths do not change.

[Zionism is NOT Racism, Anti-Zionism is Anti-Semitism]

| Historical overview
| The term Palestine originates with the Philistines, who inhabited the
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|
| http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/History-of-Palestine
Paul A Abeles - 28 Jun 2004 04:13 GMT
> Listen to Zuheir Mohsein, official with the PLO's military wing and
> Executive Council, in his interview with the Dutch newspaper, Trouw, on
> 3/31/77, and see how he explained this strategy:
>
>   There are no differences between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians,
> etc

and Jews. Just the odd new blood lines via intermarriage, adoption, rapes
and promiscuity.
Roger R. - 26 Jun 2004 16:07 GMT
> The name Palestine derives from the Palatine Hill in Rome where the
> Emperors built their palaces.Similiar names are found in the Roman
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> religion-YOUR ANCESTORS ARE NOT FROM PALESTINE any more than people
> from Europe who adopted that other hebrew religion-Christianity.

I thought Palestine belonged to the Phoenicians.
nubis - 26 Jun 2004 19:24 GMT
>I thought Palestine belonged to the Phoenicians.

...and the Syrians.
AnonMoos - 26 Jun 2004 17:06 GMT
> The name Palestine derives from the Palatine Hill in Rome where the
> Emperors built their palaces.

No it doesn't.  The Hebrew word "Pelesheth" was written in Exodus
15:14 many hundreds of years before a Roman ship was ever seen in the
Eastern Mediterranean, and the Egyptian pharoahs were writing about
the PRST ("Pereset") as being part of the invading Sea Peoples more
than 400 years before Romulus and Remus would have even been born!
You are a true moronic idiot of an ignoramus.  Why not suggest the
Star Wars emperor Palpatine as the historical source? -- that would
make just as much sense!

> Romans and other peoples from the north were in this area long
> before the Hebrews and other semitic people moved in from the
> desert.

That's also nonsense.  The Mitanni were in north-east Mesopotamia, but
you will hardly claim that the Mitanni were Romans!  Reputable
scholarship has no solid information about what the linguistic
affiliation of pre-Semitic inhabitants of the land of Canaan/Isreal
may have been, but it's extremely unlikely that they were
Indo-European speakers at all.

Why don't you go back to the AOL chatrooms until you've managed to
remedy your abysmal ignorance a little?

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Tim Alciere - 28 Jun 2004 02:03 GMT
> > The name Palestine derives from the Palatine Hill in Rome where the
> > Emperors built their palaces.
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> the PRST ("Pereset") as being part of the invading Sea Peoples more
> than 400 years before Romulus and Remus would have even been born!

Nonsense! Just because the official founding of Rome was on a certain
date doesn't mean that there wasn't an advanced civilisation before
that.
You're one of these people who probably believe that 5765 years ago
some Hebrew in the desert decided that it would be year 1 of the
Hebrew calendar! These calendars were calculated 1000's of years after
the fact to legitimise claims on land etc.

> You are a true moronic idiot of an ignoramus.  Why not suggest the
> Star Wars emperor Palpatine as the historical source? -- that would
> make just as much sense!

It would make more sense than you.

> > Romans and other peoples from the north were in this area long
> > before the Hebrews and other semitic people moved in from the
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> may have been, but it's extremely unlikely that they were
> Indo-European speakers at all.

Go back to school. It's a well known fact that Europe was populated
50,000 years ago by people from Asia. Caucasian people. During the
last ice age the growing season in northern Europe was only 60 days so
gradually many of them moved south into Northern India,Persia and
Mesopotamia. Even according to Hebrew mythology, Moses although born
in Egypt came from a line of people who were from Caucasia.

> Why don't you go back to the AOL chatrooms until you've managed to
> remedy your abysmal ignorance a little?

Go back to your ghetto and ponder over some old nonsensical scrolls.
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