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George Walker Bush presides because his parents won the cold war. Oprah Winfrey presides because her parents were cold. Why can't we all just get along? www.star.net/silence > George Walker Bush presides because his parents won the cold war. > > Oprah Winfrey presides because her parents were cold. > > Why can't we all just get along? Because certain right-wing totalitarians among us keep demanding that the government interfere with my beliefs. Those people have taken over the Republican Party and have gotten thge coroprations to fund their coup (see Tom DeLay as an example.) > www.star.net/silence > > George Walker Bush presides because his parents won the cold war. > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Republican Party and have gotten thge coroprations to fund their coup (see > Tom DeLay as an example.) Roger, you've hit the nail on the head. Which people and what beliefs? What, which, is yours? > > www.star.net/silence > > > George Walker Bush presides because his parents won the cold war. > > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > government interfere with my beliefs. Those people have taken over the > > Republican Party and have gotten the corporations to fund their coup (see > > Tom DeLay as an example.) > > > Roger, you've hit the nail on the head. > Which people and what beliefs? > What, which, is yours? > > > www.star.net/silence The Bill of Rights is a good start. Especially the right to free speech and freedom of (and from) religion. Then there are the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Acts, both of which Tom DeLay wants to limit or remove, and I suspect that Bush does also. The same group also wants to remove my right to take issues with unfair business practices to court. They call it Tort Reform - I call it screw the consumer. Thank God for Trial Lawyers to help us get justice. Then there is altogether too much secrecy in this nation. Both government and business need to release a lot more information on their operations. Again, such transparency should help us to learn when we are being screwed. Like for example the manner in which Enron screwed the electricity consumers in California and TXU in Texas has been doing the same thing - creating artificial shortages to jack the price up. The totalitarians want these companies to drag in the money to keep them in office (again, Tom DeLay.) But in general, government should provide and enforce laws that allow the people to live in relative peace, enforce fairness with respect to race, religion and gender, provide courts for arbitration of complaints, and otherwise let us alone. Abortions, for example, should be provided to those who need them in a manner that is fair and safe. Government has no right to decide what need is. The key is the rule of law. Government has procedures for setting law that are legislative, not arbitrary. Then government and everyone in it are bound by those laws so that we all know what to expect in any case the government gets involved in. Government by decree is flat wrong - and Bush has done a lot of it. Kevin Phillips Friday night on NOW described our present government as a plutocracy, government by the rich. He is right, and it is time to change the rules on the wealthy. Money is not speech. It is pure power. > The Bill of Rights is a good start. Especially the right to free speech and > freedom of (and from) religion. Yes, it's the best restart since the Magna Charta. Then there are the Civil Rights Act and the > Voting Rights Acts, The Declaration of Indepencence already said what they say. both of which Tom DeLay wants to limit or remove, and I > suspect that Bush does also. > > The same group also wants to remove my right to take issues with unfair > business practices to court. They call it Tort Reform - I call it screw the > consumer. Thank God for Trial Lawyers to help us get justice. What group, which conspiracy? Most lawyers, with most humans, overcomplicate the law, for their private success. That is, they obfuscate the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Indepencence. > Then there is altogether too much secrecy in this nation. Roger that, Roger! And its from not understanding that this nation is the huddled masses, or should be. Secrecy comes from nowhere except shame or greed. Roger, I have a suggestion for you. Slow down and relax a little, and let yourself return from the complexities into which despair of conscience takes us all. Plainly the right target is in your heart, and plainly more targets are in your mind than you or anyone I know can focus on. By "this nation" we should mean all nations and not for superiority, just for neighborliness. When that dream comes true, justice shall roll down like water. And not until. www.star.net/silence > > The Bill of Rights is a good start. Especially the right to free speech > and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Voting Rights Acts, > The Declaration of Indepencence already said what they say. The Civil Rights Acts and the Voting Rights Law are both law enforceable by our courts. The DoI is merely rhetoric. Like Bush's "Compassionate Conservatism" crap. > both of which Tom DeLay wants to limit or remove, and I > > suspect that Bush does also. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > When that dream comes true, justice shall roll down like water. And not > until. You seem to assume that there is some kind of unifying principle that makes the same set of rules correct in all instances. That would only be true if there were a God who was responsible for unifying everything. There isn't. The human being is a somewhat unique experiment, rapidly pushing into new environments and attempting to adapt to them. Worse, he is now even creating new environments he has to adapt to. Some adaptations will work, many will not, but there is no real unfying principle other than the fact that the Human being is a symbol-using animal who is designing his symbolic culture as he moves forward. Since we as individuals operate in bounded-rationality (can't know everything about anything, can't learn new stuff too rapidly, operate on very limited sensory data, never know what we don't know, and can't make effective decisions when the problem has more than about seven variables) we depend on our shared culture for much of how we decide to do things. There is no dream, no justice, and no God which will ever overcome those limitations. We will each of us always be struggling with those limitations until the day we die. That is not dispair. That is excitement at the adventure. But you are correct in that the complexities are endless and always fascinating. Yeah, and also scary as sh.t. > www.star.net/silence > The Civil Rights Acts and the Voting Rights Law are both law enforceable by > our courts. The DoI is merely rhetoric. Like Bush's "Compassionate > Conservatism" crap. The failure of the statutes the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act is in the United States inheritance of British common law. The success of civil rights action is in the common sense of action of the fairest and strongest of us, who gave us the Magna Charta and the Declaration of Independence, despite the preceding and following corruption. We shall overcome corruption, weakness, eventually. > You seem to assume that there is some kind of unifying principle that makes > the same set of rules correct in all instances. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > correct in that the complexities are endless and always fascinating. Yeah, > and also scary as sh.t. Justice flows when we recognizes as you have that the concept of a unifying principle for good or God exists. It sinks only in the despair of artificial complexity, such as yours. Oh, in all, where is life, there is no death, and sh.t proves that biologically. Is that what scares you, Roger? > > www.star.net/silence > > The Civil Rights Acts and the Voting Rights Law are both law enforceable > by [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > no death, and sh.t proves that biologically. Is that what scares you, > Roger? No. Complexity is often the reality that truly exists. Not all complex situations yield to a simple logic based on a few variables. > > > www.star.net/silence > > > The Civil Rights Acts and the Voting Rights Law are both law enforceable > > by [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > Complexity is often the reality that truly exists. Not all complex > situations yield to a simple logic based on a few variables. Roger, I didn't use the word "logic", which is greek for wordy. Vocabulary is vocabulary. Reality is realty. Truth is truth. Obfuscation is trying to evade all of the above. Why do you work so hard at it? > > > > www.star.net/silence > > > > The Civil Rights Acts and the Voting Rights Law are both law > enforceable [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] > Vocabulary is vocabulary. Reality is realty. Truth is truth. > Obfuscation is trying to evade all of the above. Dog is dog. Cat is cat. Tautology is tautology. Who is trying to obfuscate reality of not you? > Why do you work so hard at it? How's this for history and obfuscation, Rog? Ned Kelly and Billy the Kid, and I'm not even Irish! You could try to find the base. www.star.net/silence |
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