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History Forum / General / General Topics / November 2004WE SHOULD NOT BE EXPECTED TO BELIEVE SUCH THINGS
To suggest that there is evidence of long-range intent on the part of some superior power in the emergence of the human race as the mind of matter would be to exceed the known facts. It would also be to exceed credibility. That great forces unleashed over billions of years and trillions of miles should so readily deliver a chosen people seems hardly credible. The scenario does not ring true. Why wait so long to deliver the goods? And why deliver so much more than the goods? Why an immeasurable universe - or universes? If nothing else this superior power, if it exists, is prone to excess. Likewise, it is hardly tenable to insist, as some do, that the evolution of life on earth, itself a prey to countless mutations and ceaseless hazard, should in reality have been secretly germinating a single species. We should not be expected to believe such things. From Chapter One, The Advent of Humanisation Joseph H www.humanisation.org > To suggest that there is evidence of long-range intent on the part of > some superior power in the emergence of the human race as the mind of [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > ceaseless hazard, should in reality have been secretly germinating a > single species. We should not be expected to believe such things. Parable of the Sower - KJV Matthew 13:3-23 (3) And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow; (4) And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up: (5) Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth: (6) And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away. (7) And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them: (8) But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold. (9) Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. (10) And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? (11) He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. (12) For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. (13) Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. (14) And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: (15) For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I (16) But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear. (17) For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them. (18) Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower. (19) When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side. (20) But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it; (21) Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended. (22) He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful. (23) But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty. http://www.google.com/search?q=parable+of+the+sower > From Chapter One, The Advent of Humanisation > > Joseph H > > www.humanisation.org > > To suggest that there is evidence of long-range intent on the part of > > some superior power in the emergence of the human race as the mind of [quoted text clipped - 79 lines] > > http://www.google.com/search?q=parable+of+the+sower Thank you > > From Chapter One, The Advent of Humanisation > > > > Joseph H > > > > www.humanisation.org > > > To suggest that there is evidence of long-range intent on the part of > > > some superior power in the emergence of the human race as the mind of [quoted text clipped - 81 lines] > > Thank you Is that Darwinian Evolutionary theory, Jesus version? > > > From Chapter One, The Advent of Humanisation > > > > > > Joseph H > > > > > > www.humanisation.org > To suggest that there is evidence of long-range intent on the part of > some superior power in the emergence of the human race as the mind of [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > From Chapter One, The Advent of Humanisation And why should we be expected to believe in something called Humanisation? > Joseph H > > www.humanisation.org > And why should we be expected to believe in something called Humanisation? I hardly think the name matters. I chose Humanisation as a link to Civilisation, both, I suggest, phases in our colonisation of the planet. Humanisation assumes the existence of of a particular range of ability possessed by human beings which, given the size of the planet and the challenges we faced during our colonisation of it, must eventually see us exercise control over the process. This control will never be total. Humanisation is certainly not a Utopian concept. Equally, Humanisation may not come about until a consciousness of the possibilty of its coming about is already in place. The is bootstrap-theory.It is to engeneder such a consciousness that I promote Humanisation. Thanks for the posting. > > Joseph H > > > > www.humanisation.org > > And why should we be expected to believe in something called Humanisation? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > and the challenges we faced during our colonisation of it, must > eventually see us exercise control over the process. Must? Might...maybe. Certainly not must. This control will > never be total. Humanisation is certainly not a Utopian concept. > Equally, Humanisation may not come about until a consciousness of the > possibilty of its coming about is already in place. The is > bootstrap-theory.It is to engeneder such a consciousness that I > promote Humanisation. Engeneder? Dutch, is he? In any case, "engenedering" consciousnessess is really quite a pompous proposition. Your "consciousness" is an assertion, a bold assertion, perhaps. It has no science and no theory. It is, at best, an "interesting viewpoint". I can't damn with any fainter praise. Chameleon > Thanks for the posting. > > > > > > Joseph H > > > > > > www.humanisation.org > > > Humanisation is certainly not a Utopian concept. > > Equally, Humanisation may not come about until a consciousness of the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Chameleon Ouch! Why should a theory of human potential have science? We either have this potential or we do not. If we have this potential we should see it. Not seeing it narrows our vision and confines our expectation. Human history, the human colonisation of the planet, is a natural process,prey to accident, evil and error. Our moralising tendency sees us endlessly condemn it - as if any other history was, or is, possible. The Advent of Humanisation sees all the accident, evil and error - but suggests, nonetheless, that we are capable of ordering our affairs; suggests, further, that in this (Western) age of freedom and some excess a vision of our future is vital. Theory? What is theory? An enforced complexity? An entirely arbitrary set of parameters? An exercise in error? An obscure vanity-project? Indeed, an exercise in obscurity? A celebration of obfuscation.....? The Advent of Humananisation seeks clarity above all else. It is an ambition - maybe an unrealised ambition, but an ambition onetheless.... Best wishes Joseph H www.humanisation.org Joseph H., We will see how good the good the Rathmines fairy really is on Saturday next!!!!!. OFR. > Joseph H., > > We will see how good the good the Rathmines fairy really is > on Saturday next!!!!!. > > OFR. The real Open Field Runner - the world's best! - will silence all the Terenure Knockers - maybe I should say Knackers - on Saturday. Chameleon > > Joseph H., > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Chameleon Tut Tut Paranoia, I think!!! OFR Definition of "Chameleon" (Oxford Dictionary) "A small slow-moving lizard with a long extensible tounge, protruding eyes and the ability to change colour" Interesting! OFR. > Definition of "Chameleon" (Oxford Dictionary) > "A small slow-moving lizard with a long extensible tounge, protruding > eyes and the ability to change colour" > Interesting! > > OFR. Have you seen the definition for dick? Look in the mirror! Cha - mel- e- onnnnn! > > Definition of "Chameleon" (Oxford Dictionary) > > "A small slow-moving lizard with a long extensible tounge, protruding [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Cha - mel- e- onnnnn! An Open Letter to OpenField Runner and Chameleon: Writing as the onlie begetter of this Google Posting would you two gentlemen kindly take your unseemly - and local- squabble elsewhere and leave me get on with the important business of charting the future of humankind. Coman's Pub in Rathgar might be a suitable location. Joseph H ps: well done against South Africa. > > > Definition of "Chameleon" (Oxford Dictionary) > > > "A small slow-moving lizard with a long extensible tounge, protruding [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > ps: well done against South Africa. I feel humbled.Please accept my apologies for daring to distract you from your noble quest. I feel reassured that the future of Humankind is in such safe hands. OFR. P.S. I may comment, from time to time, on your progress or, dare I say, regress. > > Definition of "Chameleon" (Oxford Dictionary) > > "A small slow-moving lizard with a long extensible tounge, protruding [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Cha - mel- e- onnnnn! "a small slow-moving lizard with a long entensible tounge, protruding eyes, ability to change colour with LIMITED INTELLECT AND VOCABULARY" OFR. > > > Definition of "Chameleon" (Oxford Dictionary) > > > "A small slow-moving lizard with a long extensible tounge, protruding [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > OFR. Coming from your establishment on the Templeogue Road, famous worldwide for such literary pursuits as gouging, scratching, biting and tearing, it's a bit rich to see you speak of such matters as "intellect" and "vocabulary". By the way, was your man playing on Saturday? I wasn't at the game - but none of the reports mention your game friend. The Holy Ghost Lives! Chameleon > .... The Holy Ghost Lives! How can a myth "live"? > > .... The Holy Ghost Lives! > > How can a myth "live"? Get a life, David! This is an Irish spat. These guys are fighting rugby-battles older than Methusaleh. The Holy Ghost happens to be the patron / symbol of one of the schools concerned. You wouldn't understand it, David. You lost your sense of humour a long time ago. Humanisation lives!!!! Joseph H www.humanisation.org >>>.... The Holy Ghost Lives! >> >>How can a myth "live"? > > Get a life, David! I got a life. It seems, though, that you need one. > >>>.... The Holy Ghost Lives! > >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I got a life. It seems, though, that you need one. Joseph H, I feel you are being to harsh with David V. He is quite correct to question the Holy Ghost myth. In fact I witnessed the myth in action (well not really in action - but I am lead to believe he was there)on Saturday last in Head Quarters. OFR. P.S. Chameleon, You have jumped to some incorrect assumptions, which I may correct at some point in the future. Anyway, keep up the postings guys, this is rivetting stuff! OFR. > > >>>.... The Holy Ghost Lives! > > >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Anyway, keep up the postings guys, this is rivetting stuff! > OFR. Chameleon replies: Hardly rivetting (sic). Do the Carmelites not teach you to spell? And as regards the other matter: I think you must agree that the sight of our man in full flight in one of the great spectacles in world-rugby, And as regards Joseph H: Does the H stand for "Hot-air" because that is what he is full of; a theory without substance; a philosophy without content; an unreality claiming to be real... Hey, a thought has just struck me: are you guys linked in some way, because most of what I just said could be equally applied to your man on the Irish team. > > > >>>.... The Holy Ghost Lives! > > > >> [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > because most of what I just said could be equally applied to your man > on the Irish team. Chameleon, Once again you have jumped to incorrect assumptions. Your recent postings have displayed the shallowness of your thinking by your lack of reasoning, observation and knowledge. While I am sure Joseph H. will defend his own corner, I must comment of your statement regarding your man...flight...spectacle etc. I have frequently witnessed the subject in full flight, unfortunately not always in the right direction, particularly when the opposing team is attacking -- something which can never be said about the No. 15. You really are out of touch with reality and still stuck in the mud in Kennelworth Square. You should remember to stop digging when you are in a hole. I rest my case. OFR. Chameleon reples: The mud of "Kennilworth" (sic) Square is fragrant indeed compared with what lies on the surface of the Geck. Once again I'm forced to ask you was your man playing yesterday? That astute man Eddie O consigned him to outer darkness (where the Holy Ghost is master) and, by God, he stayed there. We shall not be seeing him wear "The Green" again. I shall miss yawning as he comes s-l-o-w-l-y into the line. Blue Forever!!!!! Chameleon |
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