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Bullshit.  When did decreeing that 1/5th of all loot is to
be set side for Mohammed and his family become part of Mosaic law?

When did imposing Islam or taxes and humilation of "people of the
book" become Mosaic law?

When did murdering Idolaters wherever they could be found become
Mosaic law?

Islam is a cult.  Keep this crap out of alt.atheism.

Kerry - two medals a silver and bronze star.
Bush? Well they don't give medals
for going AWOL, missing your medical and
getting grounded or falling off of a bar stool.
Kerry - a hero, Bush - a zero

Cheerful Charlie

The Clash Of Covenants

Angered by endless Christological controversies, and
the Trinitarian doctrine in the Roman world, "Maccabean Pharisees"
created a world of their own, overrode the decrees of
the Jerusalem Council (Acts 15),
Reversed Paul by reintroducing the Mosaic
Law/Torah under a new name Qur'an,
financed a RULER/MESSIAH To back up their doctrines,
dubbed him Mohammad in an attempt to outwit the Arabs,
established a kingdom, (Deut 17:14)
and thereby fulfilled a string of biblical prophecies.
Indeed MESSIAH IS A PROPHET LIKE MOSES, as written in the
book of Government Deut 18:15-19 when Moses said to the Hebrews:
"The Lord your God will raise up for you the MESSIAH,
a prophet like myself, Him you shall listen, this is what you
asked of the Lord at Horeb on the day of ASSEMBLY, when you said,
'I must not hear the voice of the Lord my God any longer, nor
see this great fire any more that I die not.'
The Lord said to me, they have spoken rightly; I will raise up
for them the MESSIAH,a prophet like yourself, I will put
my words in His mouth and He shall tell them everything that
I command Him to say.

But If anyone does not listen the words that He delivers
in my name I will make him answer to it - For this reason,
the children of Israel were kicked out of that Land.
So the Jews got kicked out on account of their unbelief,
but the Arabs were in for their faith-
But the prophet who presumes to deliver, or who delivers
oracles in the name of foreign gods that prophet must die.
-On the ground of this text Jesus was accused of
breaking Moses' Law on the Sabbath days therefore speaking for
Beelzebub, He was then sentenced to death.-

The Scheme To Restore The Old Covenant Reached Its Peaks At Mecca.

The Arabs have sworn by God the most earnest oaths that If they
had a MESSIAH/MOHAMMAD of their own, they would become believers, but
when we decide to raise among them their own MOHAMMAD/MESSIAH,
it only increased them in aversion. Surat 35:40

Shaking their heads, they asked in disbelief:
Is this the RULER that God Gives Us?
They say this Messiah is too poor just like the real one was.
He walks about in market places, he buys and sells, and he eats food.
[...]Can this homeless save us?

They complain: If only this Torah/Law and the authority involved
have been bestowed on some great men of the two cities Mecca and Taif.
Is it them who apportion their Lord's mercy? 43:31-32

Say I might be broke but I believe in God and his Messiah.
Say O God we follow the Messenger/Messiah the prophet of the gentiles
that we found described in the Torah and the Gospel. 7:157

....O you Abu-Quasim, cloaked in your mantle of Messiahship
Arise and preach.
O you the best of facilitators,
To the papists, say that the Law of Moses is still in force.
To the children of Israel, tell them that the MESSIAH had already come
There is no MESSIAH to wait for any longer.
To your compatriots, those idols worshipers preach the glad tiding.
Tell them that God's judgment is near.
They are following nothing but wind unless they come to our God and
His Messiah/Christ
Whenever I tell them the great stories of our God and His Messiah,
and the giving of Law to Moses in the Sinai desert,
Whenever I tell your fellow citizens about our great Messiah
the Messenger/Apostle that God send us, and who ascended into heaven
Whenever I preach his resurrection and the resurrection of those
who puts their faith in Him, they refuse to become believers
instead, they become more heedless, but you seem to be very
interested:
YOU MARVEL WHILE THEY LAUGH. 37:12

So from now on we are going to switch roles, you are going to
take over the predication:
WE WILL TEACH YOU AND YOU WON'T FORGET EXCEPT WHAT THE WILL
OF GOD ALLOWS, HE KNOWS THAT IS DECLARED AND THAT IS HIDDEN 87:6-8
Remember therefore, O warner that
Mohammad is the Messenger of God, so said Moses in the
Glorious Torah the book of God, and that is our
Christological position.

God spoke to Moses, never doubt that Surat...
and He said:
If we want to set a king/Messiah over us like any other nation
around us or create a kingdom mightier than the Roman Empire
we should make sure to appoint the King/Messiah that the Lord
our God chooses; when he takes the throne of his kingdom, the
anointed-one should write for himself a copy of this Torah/Law.
It is to be with him and he is to read it all the day of his life
so that he may learn to revere the Lord his God and follow carefully
all the words of this Law/Torah. Deut 17:14

So O chosen-one since you confess our God and his Messiah as the first
Muslim in this nation -I AM CALLED TO BE THE FIRST MUSLIMS- 13:36
You are going to become the ruler of these pagans.
This Law that we gave you shall help establish a sound justice
system in your kingdom, so you may call men into the kingdom
of God.
WE HAVE GIVEN YOU THE 7 OFT-REAPETED VERSES
AND THE GLORIOUS TORAH.15:87
READ THEREFORE IN THE NAME OF YOUR LORD WHO CREATED
MAN FROM A CLOT. 96:1

You will be rejected but if you persevere, victory will follow
because you are a good soul as you walk in the path of God
and His Messiah.
God promised victory to those that believe in his Messiah, those
that help Him, and those that follow the light sent down with
Him 7:156

If your compatriots accept your Authority - and they have no choice
but accept you-
He that pledges allegiance to you pledge allegiance to God and
His Messiah/Messenger; 68:10
The next task at hand is to liberate Jerusalem
from the uncircumcised dogs, the Romans.
The unclean destroyed God's temple and occupied illegally
the Land of Judea.

Have you not turned your vision to the chiefs of the children
of Israel after the time of Moses?
They said to a prophet that was among them:
Appoint for us a KING/SAUL that we may fight
in the cause of God.2:246.

As you see, O Law-giver, Moses' prophecy came to pass,
He said the Messiah will come and fulfill the Law that he gave
to our fathers during the month of Ramadan.
Verily! He sent it down in the night of decrees.
And what makes you know what the night of decrees is? 97:1-5
The Lord in that night descended to the top of Mount Sinai
and called Moses.
So Moses went up and the Lord spoke all these words.
Exodus 19:20-25; 20:1
whereby was decreed every commandment and ordainment.

There was thunder and lightning, with a thick cloud
over the mountain, and a very loud trumpet blasted.
Everyone in the camp trembled. Then Moses led the people out of
the camp to meet with God, and they stood at the foot of the Mountain.
Mount Sinai was covered with smoke, because the Lord descended on it
in fire. the smoke billowed up from it like smoke from furnace,
the whole mountain trembled violently, and the sound of the trumpet
grew louder and louder.
Then Moses spoke and the voice of God answered him. Exodus 19:16.

This month shall be chosen for fasting as a remembrance.
Whoever sees the moon in this month must fast.
This is a religious duty that the Savior/Messiah confirmed.
Did not tell you that the Messiah came to confirm Moses?
Indeed He said and it is written down that until heaven and earth
disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen,
will disappear from the Law until everything
is accomplished. Matt 5:17
This is the straight path.

Therefore you shall not mimic those who went stray, the uncircumcised.
You shall not FOLLOW their customs or the Law of their kingdom
as they have been taught by Paul to depart from God's Law,
yet in this Law is light.
This kingdom of God was put in Abraham's descendants since some
rejected Him, Paul sold Him to the Gentiles, then
Rome monopolized Him.4:53-55

I swear by the Mount Sinai where the mysteries took place!
I swear by those Scriptures embedded in a secured parchment!
I swear by euh! euh!...let me check this dictionary,
Yes I swear by this Metropolis, and you will be a sovereign RULER
of this City.
By the fig and the Olive
Men will be hell dwellers save those who have faith in Him and
do good works.
This is the revelation from the Master of the universe.
Mais où allez vous?

Therefore do not move your tongue fast as to learn
this Law/Torah quickly.
Verily it is for us to collect what to teach and its recital.
When we recite it, follow this recital.
Then upon us is to explain clearly. 7:16-19.

But those who deny among your people say:
If this Torah was any good,
the Jews would not come before us and since
they are NOT guided by this Torah
the Arabs say this is the same old lies.46:10
Nay! This is the book of Moses, the faithful prophet
honored and obeyed.81:19
Most surely it is the word of an honored Messenger, having
a good station with the Lord of dominions.
Moses is no liar, he saw Him when YHWH (GOD) came down in Sinai,
before that, he had already seen Him in the burning bush. 53:1-8.
By the lot-tree beyond which none can pass near which
is the garden of tranquility. The lot-tree was covered
Moses' eyes did not turn aside, nor did he exceed the limit.
Certainly he saw the greatest sign of his Lord. 53:13

Whenever the evil doers see our aya, the only thing
they do is to make fun of them.
And they say: Hearken not to this Torah/Qur'an but keep shouting
that you may overcome the voice of the reader.
Surely therefore will we cause the unbelievers to taste a terrible
punishment.41:27

Say: What do you think if this Torah is from God, you believe it not
but a rabbi among the children of Israel testifies to the
conformity of the translation with the original and believe while
you proudly reject it.
Verily God guides no unjust nation. 46:9

They are acting out of jealousy.
Are you jealous,O Arabs,that YHWH did
not bestow upon you this book?
Have you considered Al-Ouzza, Al-Manath and the third;
Those rocks that you gathered in that corner and you proudly
call daughters of God?
These are just names you gave them,
YHWH gave them no authority 53:1-8

Are for you the males and for Him the females?
When news comes to you that your wives give birth to a girl,
your face darkens, you lose all your capacity, you could hide
yourselves in the ground if you only could split it.
Now to YHWH you give the females and then you keep
the males for yourselves. This is unfair sharing.

We sent you,O Law giver,so that you may believe
in God and His Messiah/Christ
help Him, praise Him, and sing for Him
evening and morning. 48:8
The unclean Romans, O avenger, killed our king
-you must defeat them-
They invaded Abraham's inheritance,
they destroyed our Holy
Temple and reduced JERUSALEM into rubble. Surat...
Remember when JESUS asked:
Who will assist me in the way of God?
The disciples replied we shall be
the helpers of God bear
witness that we are Muslims. 3:52

As His disciple, your duty is to fight
for his religion, the religion
of the Praised-One, our blessed Messiah, fight those who
fight him, the uncircumcised; kill them all If you can.

But your people when JESUS' name is mentioned, they replay:
Are not our gods better than He.43:57
They are even ready to drive you out If you
don't give up your religion.
Say: I follow the religion of Abraham.Surat...
Say: Truth has come and falsehood is vanished. 17:83
Say: Everyone acts after his own manners,
but your Lord well knows
who is best guided in his path.17:87

Say: Verily, were men and jinns assembled to produce a like
of this Torah/Qur'an, they would not produce its like though
they may help each other.17:90
Say: I am God's Apostle to you all.
He has sovereignty over the heaven and the earth.
Therefore have faith
in God and His Messiah, the prophet of the gentiles
who believes in God's commandments,
Follow Him so that you may be rightly guided.7:156

Those that believe in Him and Honor Him,
those that help Him and
follow the light sent down with Him shall
surely triumph 7:158

When asked about the greatest commandment,
our blessed Messiah
said: HEAR O ISRAEL, THE LORD OUR GOD, THE LORD IS ONE.
Now warn those who say, three and he is the third. Surat....
You are nothing but a warner.

But the warner says: O God, these are certainly
a nation which does not believe;
Then turn away from them and say: PEACE
They will come to know soon 43:88

Oh! You frowned; you frowned and turned your back
because there came to you a blind man.
The Messiah never turned away from a blind.
And what would make you know he would purify himself,
or become reminded so that the reminder should profit him?
To the self-sufficient you pay full attention
As for him who comes to you eagerly and fearing his Lord
you pay no heed.
This is about reminding men of their duties to God and to their
fellow man. So let him who pleases mind it. 80:15

Surely this is not a new doctrine it is
in the earlier Scriptures,
The Scriptures of Abraham and Moses. 87:19
Kept in honored books, exalted, purified in the hands
of scribes noble and virtuous. 80:15
Let no one mess with them if he is impure.

Did we not find you orphan and gave you a shelter?
Did we not raise your fame?
Did we not give you a new name?
An orphan do not turn your back.
A blind do not frown
Uncleanness stay away.

Verily JESUS shall be the sign of the last Hour.
Doubt not then of it [...].43:61
The Hour shall come and the dead shall rise
some to meet their Lord and some for disgrace. 43:60

But if you would wonder, strange is the unbelievers saying:
Shall we be brought back to life when we are dust?
Bring back to life our forefathers then we will believe 13:5
What! they say: Shall we indeed be restored to our first state
when we are rotten bones?
That then would be a return occasioning loss.
It is such far away in a distant future 79:10

We have set out to men every kind of METAPHORS in these missives
but most men have refused everything except unbelief. 17:91

In them there are verses basic or fundamental with
Established, clear meaning, they are the foundations
of the book; others are not entirely clear.
but those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part of that
is not clear, seeking discord, and searching for hidden meanings
in it, but no one knows its interpretation except God
and those who are firmly grounded in knowledge.
Say: We believe in the book, the whole of it is from our Lord
and none will grasp the message except for men of understanding. 3:7

What is the matter with them that they do not believe and when
the Torah/Qur'an is read to them they do not make obeisance 84:20
But they say: By no mean will we believe in you till you cause
a fountain to gush forth for us from the earth,
or till you have a garden of palm-trees and grapes,
and you cause forth gushing rivers to gush forth in its midst,
or you cause the sky to fall on us in pieces as you have given out,
or you bring God and the angels to vouch for you, or you have built
a house of gold
or you climb up into heaven;
Nor will we believe in your climbing up
till you send down to us a book which unlike the Torah
we all may read.
Say: Oooooh fellows, ya' trying to make it difficult for me,
AM I MORE THAN A MAN? 17:92

The Jews say, the papists are grounded on nothing and the
Papists say, the Jews are grounded on nothing
yet both read the Scriptures
and those illiterate Arabs say the same
Asking: Is he going to make all the gods into one God?
We have not heard such a thing from the Trinitarian religion

Persevere therefore with those who call on their Lord morning
and evening seeking His magnificence 8:28
and Have nothing to do with those who follow their own whims.
Say: Believe in this Torah or not, those who were given
knowledge before it, a portion among the Children of Israel bow
in adoration and say: Glory be to our Lord, the promise of our Lord
to send us the Messiah has been fulfilled in Jesus.
And weeping they kneel down to seek repentance and this increases
their humility 17:107.

Yet your compatriots say:
Why does he not bring a sign from his Lord?
Have not clear proofs come to them in what
is contained in the earlier
Scriptures? 20:133
Never did God send a message before
you but through a man who
we inspire. If you do not know,
then ask the Children of Israel,
the keepers of the Oracles of God. 21:7
This is indeed the glorious Torah preserved
on the guarded TABLETS 85:21

But the associationists used false
arguments to disregard this Torah
saying we are no longer bound by God Law,
quoting their chieftain
they say we are under grace for
If the ministry that brought death,
which was engraved in letters
on TABLETS came with glory that the
Children of Israel could not look
steadily at the face of Moses,
will not the ministry of spirit
be even more glorious? 2cor 3:7

Such is the utterance of those who go stray
God word doesn't change.
Say people of the Book!
commit no excesses in your religion:
Norsay of God nothing but truth.
Messiah/Christ, Jesus the Son of Mary
was a Messenger of God, and His
Word, which He casted in Mary,
and a Spirit proceeding from Him
So believe in God and His Messengers,
Say not Three: desist it will
be better for you for God is one.
Glory be to Him for far exalted
is He above having a Son. To
Him belong all things in heaven and on
earth. And enough is
God as a disposer of affairs 4:171

Are you astonished at this news but they are laughing
Instead weeping indulging in pleasantries?
They should bow instead before God and whorship Him.53:62
And when a description of the Son Of Mariam is given, lo!
Your people rise a clamor thereat.43:57

Do they think you are gone mad?
We, the children of Israel, when YHWH's word is read
We don't walk away; we bow our knees down in adoration instead.
Will you O Arabs adore YHWH and seek his forgiveness?
This is indeed The Glorious Torah full of wisdoms.
About what are those pagans questioning one another?
About the great event of resurrection?
Nay, they shall come to know soon.78:1

They will also ask you of the SPIRIT.
Say: The spirit proceeds a my Lord command, but of
Knowledge a little to you is given. 17:87

I know you are distressed because of your people unbelief
as they say," This is a man taught by others, he is no prophet".
Has the story of Moses come to you?
His Lord called out to him in the sacred valley of the two calls,
saying: "Go to Pharaoh; he has transgressed all bounds. 79:23

But Moses said," O Lord, please send someone else to do the job,
I have never been eloquent."
Then the Lord's anger burned against Moses and said,
"What about your brother Aaron the Levite?
I know he can speak well. He is already on his way to meet you,
and his heart will be glad when he sees you.
You shall speak to him and put words in his mouth; he will
speak to the people for you, and he will be for you like
a prophet and as If you were God to him." Exodus 4:10-17

As you see,you are a prophet even though the Arabs don't believe in
You Through ignorance. Don't grieve on account of their ignorance.
You are a prophet like Aaron in the scenario I just read you.
The word prophet has many different meaning.
You are a prophet like David once you become a ruler like David
You are a prophet like Moses when you fight for his Law
You are a prophet like the Messiah/Christ when you help promote
his Gospel of resurrection just as his first disciples did.
so take heart, the unbelievers shall come to know soon[....]
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You have said the name Mohammad, now find the reality it
names.O cross-eyed one, If you only see One in two,
I see two in One. -Rumi-

HEAR O STUPID ISAREL, VERILY JESUS IS THE MESSIAH/CHRIST
By Not-Easily-Duped.