Zinni lambastes planning for war in Iraq
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Domenico Rosa - 24 May 2004 14:58 GMT http://www.capecodonline.com/cgi-bin/print/printstory.cgi In book, ex-general lambastes U.S. planning for war in Iraq
THE WASHINGTON POST WASHINGTON - Retired Marine Gen. Anthony Zinni, former U.S. commander in the Middle East, charges in a book to be published today that "everyone in the military knew" that the Bush administration's plan for Iraq consisted of only half the troops that were needed, and says that country is now "a powder keg" that could break apart into warring regions.
Zinni, who has been a critic of the Iraq war since before the invasion and served briefly as a special envoy for President Bush, wrote that he was moved to speak out by "false rationales presented as a justification; a flawed strategy; lack of planning; the unnecessary alienation of our allies; the underestimation of the task; the unnecessary distraction from real threats; and the unbearable strain dumped on our overstretched military.
"In the lead-up to the Iraq war and its later conduct, I saw, at a minimum, true dereliction, negligence, and irresponsibility; at worst, lying, incompetence and corruption," he writes. " ... If there is a center that can hold this mess together, I don't know what it is. Civil war could break out any time. Resources are needed; a strategy is needed; and a plan is needed."
(Published: May 24, 2004)
Dudhorse - 24 May 2004 17:26 GMT > http://www.capecodonline.com/cgi-bin/print/printstory.cgi > > In book, ex-general lambastes U.S. planning for war in Iraq ... after watching his "interview" on 60 minutes I wondered if CBS's parent company also publishes Zinni's book too. That interview was more of a book promotion than anything else.
Madhusudan Singh - 24 May 2004 19:05 GMT >> http://www.capecodonline.com/cgi-bin/print/printstory.cgi >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > company also publishes Zinni's book too. That interview was more of a > book promotion than anything else. Which apparently means what he had to say had no value ?
Jim Elbrecht - 24 May 2004 21:22 GMT -snip-
>Which apparently means what he had to say had no value ? The other post went to more groups than my filters allow- so hopefully they read this group & will chime in if they disagree with me ---
My mouth was hanging open during the interview because I've never heard such unequiviocally harsh words from someone who survived 40 years in the military, and was held in high enough esteem by the administration he is criticizing to have been appointed envoy to the Middle East.
In the book he writes- "In the lead up to the Iraq war and its later conduct, I saw at a minimum, true dereliction, negligence and irresponsibility, at worse, lying, incompetence and corruption."
Last night he said- "And to think that we are going to stay the course, the course is headed over Niagara Falls. I think it's time to change course a little bit, or at least hold somebody responsible for putting you on this course. Because it's been a failure."
He lays all the blame on the Pentagon- praises Bremer, and seems to still support Bush, but thinks he was misled.
Most of what he said is at - http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/05/21/60minutes/main618896.shtml
Jim [and BTW- the publisher is Putnam Pub Group -- I don't think Disney owns them, but who knows]
Dudhorse - 25 May 2004 16:49 GMT > -snip- > >Which apparently means what he had to say had no value ? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Middle East. > -snip- ... what are they(the Bush Administration) going to do take his pension away from him?? Not likely!
Warren Stupidity - 25 May 2004 01:07 GMT >> http://www.capecodonline.com/cgi-bin/print/printstory.cgi >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >company also publishes Zinni's book too. That interview was more of a book >promotion than anything else. All the new book interviews are book promotions. Did you have a point?
The Washington NeoClowns can't even get their clown shoes on right, and there is no wrong way to do that.
== Mark Roddy
"Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event like a new Pearl Harbor."
-- Project for a New American Century, -- the neocon cabal's blueprint for world empire. http://www.newamericancentury.org
Dudhorse - 25 May 2004 16:53 GMT > >> http://www.capecodonline.com/cgi-bin/print/printstory.cgi > >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > All the new book interviews are book promotions. Did you have a point? ... they even showed the book itself and I have been watching 60 minutes for years and this is the first time I can remember them doing that.
Warren Stupidity - 26 May 2004 01:43 GMT >> >> http://www.capecodonline.com/cgi-bin/print/printstory.cgi >> >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >... they even showed the book itself and I have been watching 60 minutes for >years and this is the first time I can remember them doing that. I don't care if they show the book or not, new-book interviews are (duh) book promotions. Getting your book on 60-minutes is worth millions and everyone involved knows it. So did you have a point?
The Washington NeoClowns can't even get their clown shoes on right, and there is no wrong way to do that.
== Mark Roddy
"Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event like a new Pearl Harbor."
-- Project for a New American Century, -- the neocon cabal's blueprint for world empire. http://www.newamericancentury.org
Conservatives Against Conservation - 29 May 2004 21:37 GMT > On Tue, 25 May 2004 15:53:20 GMT, "Dudhorse"
> I don't care if they show the book or not, new-book interviews are > (duh) book promotions. Getting your book on 60-minutes is worth > millions and everyone involved knows it. So did you have a point? Every good neocon knows that books are evil
George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr. - 25 May 2004 18:09 GMT >> http://www.capecodonline.com/cgi-bin/print/printstory.cgi >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >company also publishes Zinni's book too. That interview was more of a book >promotion than anything else. I found it interesting that Zinni is a Republican who voted for Bush.
And that Tom Clancy, super-conservative, said that we had no causus belli for starting the war.
You think Zinni and Clancy would sell out their true beliefs just to be controversial, to sell books?
I doubt it.
I think what they said is true. Especially since their politics would lead them to not say it.
Warren Stupidity - 26 May 2004 01:41 GMT >>> http://www.capecodonline.com/cgi-bin/print/printstory.cgi >>> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >I think what they said is true. Especially since their politics would >lead them to not say it. It apparently doesn't matter how many former administration insiders, lifelong republicans, career government technicians, or honest conservatives stand up and testify about the malfeasance of this regime, the dead end bushists are going to go down in denial.
The Washington NeoClowns can't even get their clown shoes on right, and there is no wrong way to do that.
== Mark Roddy
"Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event like a new Pearl Harbor."
-- Project for a New American Century, -- the neocon cabal's blueprint for world empire. http://www.newamericancentury.org
Dudhorse - 26 May 2004 07:43 GMT > >>> http://www.capecodonline.com/cgi-bin/print/printstory.cgi > >>> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > .... do you have a point?? Bill Case - 26 May 2004 20:52 GMT > >> http://www.capecodonline.com/cgi-bin/print/printstory.cgi > >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > I doubt it. No, they wouldn't. Both of them are speaking out about liars, corrupt people and incompetents wasting lives and money and damaging the US. The reason Bush isn't being impeached right now is the fact that much of his support comes from brain dead protestant fundamentalists.
This isn't so much about liberals and conservatives as it is about getting these morons back OUT of American politics.
George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr. - 26 May 2004 22:12 GMT >> >> http://www.capecodonline.com/cgi-bin/print/printstory.cgi >> >> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > This isn't so much about liberals and conservatives as it is about getting >these morons back OUT of American politics. Yeah. Zinni's successor as CenCom, Tommy Franks, said this about the number three guy in the Department of Defense, Douglas Feith
"the f.cking stupidest guy on the face of the earth."
Bill Case - 25 May 2004 17:02 GMT From a pro-US Iraqi blog:
How many members of the Bush Administration are needed to replace a lightbulb? The Answer is SEVEN: 1. one to deny that a lightbulb needs to be replaced 2. one to attack and question the patriotism of anyone who has questions about the lightbulb, 3. one to blame the previous administration for the need of a new lightbulb, 4. one to arrange the invasion of a country rumored to have a secret stockpile of lightbulbs, 5. one to get together with Vice President Cheney and figure out how to pay Halliburton Industries one million dollars for a lightbulb, 6. one to arrange a photo-op session showing Bush changing the lightbulb while dressed in a flight suit and wrapped in an American flag, 7. and finally one to explain to Bush the difference between screwing a lightbulb and screwing the country.
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