History Forum / General / General Topics / August 2004

Clinton?  From under a Little Rock.

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John Forbes Kerry's 20-Year Anti-National Defense Voting Record in the
U.S. Senate

http://www.orlandoreport.com/profiles/john_kerry_voting_record.htm

How Clinton Dodged the Draft and Aided and Abetted the Communist Enemy
during the Vietnam / Cold War

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a40091.htm

Clinton's Inept National Security Advisor, the Kerry Campaign's
Ex-Foreign Policy Advisor, Sandy Berger

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A4189-2004Jul21?language=printer

Swift Boat Vets for Truth Book **UNFIT FOR COMMAND** Goes to #1 on
Amazon.com

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/new-for-you/top-sellers/-/books/all/ref=b_t
n_bh_be/103-1348875-7091053

Joseph H. -  Thank you for a civil post, making some interesting points.

I think you probably represent the majority European view.

However, there are more views than the European view, and I think you
make the mistake of believing if someone disagree's with you, they are
crass.

Put another way, you believe that Europe has figured out the best way to
deal with issues, and anyone who sees it differently is wrong.

Obviously, Europe does not have the answers, they think they do, and
wants America to conform.

America is for Americans first, our interests and security first, and
Europe, and everyone elses is secondary.

Bush represents the America that doesn't believe in a welfare state, but
rather, believes in equal opportunity to succeed.

He represents the America who believes that appeasement with enemies is
a futile and dangerous exercise, enemies must be confronted, and
defeated if required.  He represents the America of General Patton on
this, " lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way", Europe can't
lead, won't follow, and therefore as far as many of we Americans are
concerned, should get the hell out of the way.
Iran may be less than a year from nukes, Korea is there, Europe has done
little to stop either, and the resultant hell scenario seems to be
ungraspable by its leaders.  WE will do what WE must do, if not for
Europe, for America.

You do not understand the Israel situation.  We did not create Israel,
the world did, through the UN, and the Arab states moved immediately to
defeat it.

In 1967, the Arab states were mobilized and planning another attack, and
tiny Israel, defeated them again, and took territory as a buffer between
itself, and all the Arab states vowing its destruction.  They struck
again in 1973, and only massive aid from the US kept Israel from being
pushed into the sea.

Why don't the European powers gurantee the total and complete security
of Israel if it pulls out of occupied territory ???

Wy doesn't Europe agree to stop, at all costs the islamic crazies who
butcher Israel'is ?

Where is Europe on this, you helped create the mess with your
colonialism and ties to arab states, why don't YOU solve it ?

When you speak of "ecology", you really mean kyoto.

The kyoto treaty reminds me of the preservationists here who want the
forests untouched, including undergrowth and dead trees.  When the
forests burn down, taking homes and people with them, they just shrug.

They are always p;repared to sacrifice someone else, to their lust to
keep the government from trimming and clearing the forests.

Kyoto benefits everyone, but the US, our economy would be most hurt,
because our infrastructure is older than Europe's, because we spent
billions to defend Europe, and you were free to build new
infrastructure, instead of providing for your defense.  The new, up and
coming new polluters, China, and India, are exempt.

So why should we take the economic hit, when no one else is prepared to
do it, and the treaty was designed specifically in a fashion to damage
our economy, or to make us a scapegoat..........., BTW, the entire US
senate voted NOT to ratify the treaty, but you find it easier to pin it
on Bush, than recognize that the country is not interested in it.

Many Americans view Europe as decadent, defeatist, and fearful, always
willing to compromise, compromise, accepting another 21'st century
czechoslovakia or poland, hoping that the ugliness will pass you by,
rather than stiffen your spines and face it.  Bush represents those
Americans, and we will stand, with or without you.

Bush is straight forward, sticks to his guns, and does what he believes
is right, when I disagree with him, I still respect his stand, because I
am sick to death of unprincipled, wishy washy, leaders in both Europe
and America.

Finally, you folk are going to have to realize that we don't exist to be
the benevolent uncle of Europe.  You are going to have to realize that
we have our own needs and interests, and many of us don't give a rats
a.s about your views on who we elect to lead our nation.

The internet is full of Europeans bellyaching about our leadership
choice.

Beyond Britain, and France ( whom we don't think much of) most Americans
don't know, and don't care who you have selected as leaders, and
regardless of whom you choose, we believe it is your business, not ours.

We give more in foreign aid, AIDS research and funding to Africa, and
supply more food to hunger programs by far, than any other nation.

Because of Bush's initiative, we give more to Africa for AIDS treatment,
than the rest of the world, combined, so I think your assertion that
Bush "doesn't care" is piffle.

Europe, in many, many ways, is our "old country", Americans of European
ancestry are still in the majority, and we have deep respect for Europe,
what it was, and what it is.

However, many of us are not blinded by the reality of today's world, and
we are not an international democracy, where those of other country's
claim some kind of privelige in helping us select our leaders. LE  

If someone enters your house with a gun and asks for your wife --
should you reply honestly?  It's all very nice to talk in terms of
human nature and psychoanalyze psychopaths.  But when you, your
friends, your family are victimized -- I think most people sing a
different tune.  A psychopath doesn't care about others' feelings,
possessions, or life.  They only care about themselves.  They tend to
lust after power, money, and sex.  Not all psychopaths are violent,
but almost all violent people are psychopaths.  I've read studies that
estimate 4% of the population are psychopathic.  I believe that the
government has a moral duty to defend its citizens.  Our allies may
not agree with the plans, methods, conclusions that self-defense
implies.  But calling the attempt to defeat terrorism: stupid, crass,
and other names is insulting.