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8/27 Dow=10,195; 2nd Straight Week of NASDAQ Gains, 3rd for Dow    and S&P

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Fruit Loopy Loony Leftist MooreOns - 29 Aug 2004 18:30 GMT
as of August 28-29, 2004 weekend

"Bad news for America is good news for the Democrats while good news for
America is bad news for the Democrats." -- Rush Limbaugh

too bad for you, Dims:

MSNBC - Economic data sends stocks higher

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3683270/
anybody-but-bush - 29 Aug 2004 18:48 GMT
Still has not caught up to where Clinton left it. 3 1/2 years and a net loss. Another Bu$h
accomplishment asswipe.

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The_Great_NeoCon - 29 Aug 2004 19:06 GMT
The dot.bomb bubble was a farce. It's the single reason the jobs were lost
and the stock market tanked. It was overvalued.

> Still has not caught up to where Clinton left it. 3 1/2 years and a net
> loss. Another Bu$h
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> : http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3683270/
Larry Hewitt - 30 Aug 2004 00:23 GMT
> The dot.bomb bubble was a farce. It's the single reason the jobs were lost
> and the stock market tanked. It was overvalued.

As usual a rightard oversimplifies life..

The dot com bubble affected only a relatively small segment of the economy.
Most losses were paper, and the employment losses, while significant in some
regions (like California) were not larger than other industry shakeouts.

9/11 had a short term effect, but properly handled it should have been a
positive economic influence by now,  With _proper_ increases in security
spending, such as funding first responders, building and inproving roads,
rail, ports, airports, and other facilities, and new security hiring the
economy would have been given a boost.

State budgets were strained. State tax revenue had been hit hard, with many
states cutting spending to avoid deficits. AS predicted, the welfare block
grant system coupled with rapidly increasing  medical and prescription
medicine costs  put huge loads on states to fund medicaid and other welfare
programs, despite decreased roles.

And the slowdown in the world economy didn't help.

But Bush blew it. Blew it big time. Rightard ideology got in the way of
proven economic principals. Bush's response was a meaningless tax decrease
of $300 for most Americans, and a huge tax decrease for the wealthy. Tax
decreases have little short  term effects on the economy
(www.ksg.harvard.edu/news/opeds/2004/bator_tax_cuts_ft_040604.htm), so the
downturn worsened while the stimulant effect (if any) of the tax decreases
worked their way through the system. Economic history suggests increased
governemnt spending on public works is an immediate postive influence on the
exconomy. WE got a double whammy here as states continued to cut budgerts,
delaying infrastructure projects and implementing hiring freezes. The
acknowledged long term negative impacts of these tax cuts (i.e, the deficit
and debt), are also discouraging economic growth.

Bush ideology also lost any chance to recover from 9/11. Instead of dealing
with Afghanistan and strenghtening the US internally, Bush decided to spend
100's of billions on a war with Iraq and a military buildup. The disruption
to the economy of having so many National Guardsmen  on active duty for so
long has slowed productivity gains and, for some companies, postponed
expansion. Spending initiatives such as star wars and other missile defense
programs have no spillover effect on the civilian economy. More billions are
going offshore t o support coalition members and for troop support. ( Add
the millions Halliburton is stealing or misspending).

No, the current soft economy is a direct result of Bush initiatives. WE
shoulld be worrying about the ecopnomy overheating by now, looking at
interest rate hikes and labor shortages. Instead, we _still_ have a net loss
of jobs, the stock market is about even with it's value three and a half
years ago, poverty has increased, lack of health care is up, real wages are
down, lenght of work week is flat to down, and interest rates are still in
the stimulus range.

Larry

> > Still has not caught up to where Clinton left it. 3 1/2 years and a net
> > loss. Another Bu$h
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> > : http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3683270/
Bobby Q. Polk - 30 Aug 2004 04:56 GMT
> > The dot.bomb bubble was a farce. It's the single reason the jobs were lost
> > and the stock market tanked. It was overvalued.
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> > > : http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3683270/

Thanks for the thoughtful reply.  It most ASSUREDLY was
ignored by the RIGHTARD side of the room.
Roncy - 30 Aug 2004 08:52 GMT
> Still has not caught up to where Clinton left it. 3 1/2 years and a net loss. Another Bu$h
> accomplishment asswipe.

Pay no attention to the Kerryslandering Ketchup Kommunist.  KKK's just a
pathetic spamtroll that thrives on replies to its senseless drivel.

> "the Kerryslandering Ketchup Kommunist" <IHateAmericaMother@webtv.net>
wrote in message
> news:18225-413212D1-37@storefull-3235.bay.webtv.net...
> : as of August 28-29, 2004 weekend
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> :
> : too bad for you, Dims:
Rico - 30 Aug 2004 15:59 GMT
>Still has not caught up to where Clinton left it. 3 1/2 years and a net loss.
> Another Bu$h
>accomplishment asswipe.

I really do not understand why the righties are trying to highlight the
economy, there is no measure that has not gotten worse since bush took
office. Unemployment - higher; poverty - higher; oil prices - higher; milk
- higher; DOW - Lower; dollar v Euro - lower.

Merely getting back within 700 points on the DOW and a rightie starts
bragging what a good job bush has done. Yet, the last Democrat in the White
House took the DOW from about 3,000 to 11,000, better the triple, and the
righties wanted to impeach him because literally ALL economic boats were
rising.

fundamentalism, fundamentally wrong.
Voter - 29 Aug 2004 19:07 GMT
> as of August 28-29, 2004 weekend
>
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>
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3683270/

Poverty Rate Up 3rd Year in a Row
 By Ceci Connolly and Griff Witte
 The Washington Post

 Friday 27 August 2004

   More Also Lack Health Coverage

The number of Americans living in poverty or lacking health insurance rose
for the third straight year in 2003, the Census Bureau announced yesterday,
reflecting a job market that failed to match otherwise strong economic
growth.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/082804L.shtml
Tom S - 29 Aug 2004 20:40 GMT
For your information, the stock market is cyclical (betcha didn't know that,
did you?).  Since 2000 it has been experiencing lower highs and lower lows
at each cycle peak and valley.  So don't expect it to go too much higher
before it enters into it's next downtrend.

> "Bad news for America is good news for the Democrats while good news for
> America is bad news for the Democrats." -- Rush Limbaugh

Wow, I wonder how he pulled that one out of his cystic a.s?  If a Democrat
were President right now, the exact opposite could be said.  You folks with
an IQ under 20 really like Limbaugh, don't you?
Roncy - 30 Aug 2004 08:55 GMT
> For your information, the stock market is cyclical (betcha didn't know that,
> did you?).  Since 2000 it has been experiencing lower highs and lower lows
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> were President right now, the exact opposite could be said.  You folks with
> an IQ under 20 really like Limbaugh, don't you?

Pay no attention to the Kerryslandering Ketchup Krybaby.  KKK throws its
immature spamtrums because KKK has no life.
Rico - 30 Aug 2004 15:53 GMT
>as of August 28-29, 2004 weekend
>
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>
>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3683270/

DJI on Jan 31, 2001:  10887.36
DJI on Aug 27, 2004:  10195.01

Light Crude Oil Jan 2001: approx 27.00
Light Crude Oil August 2004: approx 42.00

George has delivered bad news on all fronts. Consumers nailed with high oil
prices, investors nailed with a stagnant stock market. Bad news =
republican in the White House.

fundamentalism, fundamentally wrong.
Roncy - 31 Aug 2004 10:09 GMT
> In article <18225-413212D1-37@storefull-3235.bay.webtv.net>, "the
Kerryslandering Ketchup Kommunist" <IHateAmericaMother@webtv.net> wrote:
> >as of August 28-29, 2004 weekend
> >
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>
> fundamentalism, fundamentally wrong.

Pay no attention to the Kerryslandering Ketchup Krackpot.  KKK's immature
spamtrums lack both truth and sanity.
 
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