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Ken Sisby - 01 Oct 2004 14:11 GMT I watched the first Presidential debate last night and was surprised at how confused Bush seemed to be. He kept confusing Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein and seemed not to be aware of the 911 Committee Report. In answer to why he attacked Iraq, he said "they attacked us". When Kerry picked him up on it, his response was, "I know it was Osama bin Laden who attacked us!!" The President seemed confused and bewildered and on several occasions didn't know what to say. He also seemed visibly upset on two occasions, which struck me as odd in that he has been the leader of the country for four years and should be used to being under pressure.
Kerry made a few blunders as in suggesting that bin Laden is in Afghanistan, but by and large seemed more comfortable all night. To be fair to the President, Kerry is a much more intelligent and well- educated man with much more experience in this kind of thing. Needless to say, the impressions of the viewing public will split along party lines in true American partisan style.
The one point that struck me as disturbing was that Kerry promised to seal Iraq's borders if elected. When I look at a map of the Middle East I notice that Iraq is bordered by Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and the Kurdish part of Turkey. And of course both Iran and western Turkey are just south of that very volatile Caucasus region of southern Russia where the Chechens are. In other words, Iraq is right in the thick of it. Last night Kerry made reference to the non-elected leader of Iraq's comments that thousands of terrorists are pouring across Iraq's borders every day. The question that came to mind was, "hasn't anyone thought about this before?"
Surely someone in the Pentagon or the White House must have realized, as George Bush Sr. did, that Iraq could not be subjugated and controlled without sealing off its borders. 15 of the 19 suicide bombers that took out the World Trade Centre were Saudis and polls show that most Saudi males hate the US. Iran goes without saying and Syria is a well-known supporter of terrorists. The eastern and Kurdish part of Turkey is full of oppressed people who are always ready to fight and who were persecuted by Churchill (chemical weapons) and lied to by Bush Sr. The Kurds do not want a stable Iraq, they want a fragmented Iraq and an independent Kurdistan and would probably be more than willing to allow Chechens to cross their territory. This is not to mention the close proximity to Jordan with it's predominantly Palestinian population. And we all know how much Palestinians love America for all the support that Israel gets.
The US military has been there for a year and a half. Aren't the borders being monitored? Wasn't this planned for? Didn't anyone reckon that the Iranians would begin preparations to defend themselves against an American invasion as soon as the first marine landed in Iraq? Can it be any accident that they now seem hell bent on acquiring nuclear weapons to defend themselves against an American invasion? Did the Bush administration actually think that they were going to subdue the entire region? Really?
Another thing that puzzled me was the fact that Pakistan will not allow the US military to land on Pakistani soil. Given Musharaff's former support for the Taliban and Al Queda, is it not interesting that Osama is hiding in northern Pakistan, near Pakistan's nuclear arsenal? Since Musharaff's support was bought with US$ 30 billion, can this man really be trusted to be an ally of the US. And this in a country where hatred of Americans exceeds that in Saudi Arabia or Iran.
And finally it shocked me that the Bush administration cut taxes for rich people when there isn't enough money to secure all of that spent nuclear fuel in the former Soviet Union. Who is in charge in the White House?
Ken
John Flippin' McGovern Kerry - 01 Oct 2004 16:02 GMT Ken Sissy, your fruit loopy loony Leftist fucktarded analysis concerning the American presidential debates is about as clear here as the Ketchup Boy's stance on whether or not the world is better off without Saddam Hussein in charge of Iraq, about as clear as your country Canada's flaky "commitment" to fighting the War on Terror, about as clear as to which language is the dominant language in your land of ice and snow and undue French influence. You'd better stick to your day job of feeding and watering sled dogs and scooping *their* poop. Here, you best educate your frozen brain with this:
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Media Credibility Reaches Lowest Point in Three Decades
http://www.gallup.com/poll/content/login.aspx?ci=13132
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Do the Right Thing and Step Down, Mr. McAuliffe!
http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0707-08.htm
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Some Good News from Iraq
http://iraqthemodel.blogspot.com/
http://healingiraq.blogspot.com/
http://hammorabi.blogspot.com
http://www.messopotamian.blogspot.com/
http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/dhenninger/?id=110005668
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More Good News from Iraq
http://www.chrenkoff.blogspot.com/
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http://www.cjtf7.army.mil/the-coalition/coalition-forces.htm
http://www.washtimes.com/culture/20040310-102850-4087r.htm
http://www.loveourtroops.us
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Negativism, the Demise of the 21st Century Democrat Party
http://www.dflorig.com/2002midterm.htm
Further Decline of the Eternally Pessimistic 'Modern' Post-Clinton Democrat Party
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2003/recall/
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http://www.powmiafamiliesagainstjohnkerry.com/
http://www.swiftvets.com/
http://freekerrybook.com
http://scaryjohnkerry.com/
http://www.wakeupzombies.com
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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/
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David Thorme - 02 Oct 2004 01:54 GMT First debate obviously went to Kerry!! Next debate will be on the economy. Kerry will BUTCHER KRIEG him!! HELP IS ON THE WAY!!!
Lamarr Edwards - 02 Oct 2004 02:33 GMT Thorney - Your objectivity is underwhelming.
You cannot give an honest evaluation of the debate, because you are a kerryklown, I cannot, because I support the President.
I recognize my lack of objectivity, and regardless of my opinion, the voters will decide who won, on election day.
What do you think of America's defense, according to kerry, having to meet a "global standard", i.e., the world has to give us approval to defend ourselves......................
No doubt you love it. LE
Shyster Loy-yah - 02 Oct 2004 02:37 GMT
John Forbes Kerry confessing to war crimes - audio
http://www.streamload.com/jmstein77/kerry2.mp3
John Forbes Kerry confessing to war crimes - text
http://www.richmond.edu/~ebolt/history398/JohnKerryTestimony.html
John Forbes Kerry's lackadaisical Senate voting record
http://www.orlandoreport.com/profiles/john_kerry_voting_record.htm
the *real* John Forbes Kerry
http://www.geocities.com/seavet72/AW/ws-kerry.htm
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http://realclearpolitics.com/
Phony as a 3 Dollar Bill - 02 Oct 2004 02:41 GMT
Kerry confessing to war crimes - audio
http://www.streamload.com/jmstein77/kerry2.mp3
Kerry confessing to war crimes - text
http://www.richmond.edu/~ebolt/history398/JohnKerryTestimony.html
Kerry's lackadaisical Senate voting record
http://www.orlandoreport.com/profiles/john_kerry_voting_record.htm
the *real* Kerry
http://www.geocities.com/seavet72/AW/ws-kerry.htm
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http://realclearpolitics.com/
David Thorme - 02 Oct 2004 10:48 GMT Lamarr, your comical "conservative" arrogance is showing again! I'm a Kerryklown, you, noble being that you are, "support the president". We claim to be defending the world so it would seem logical to have some regard for world opinion. Perhaps the world considers: Korean War. fought to preserve the integrity of South Korea. The North Koreans defeated,the US commander, McArthur, goes all the way to the Yalu river and provokes China into the war. Vietnam. Lost twenty nine years ago. Commies didn't sweep into India, Burma, Malaya, Thailand, San Fransisco, Chicago......... Now an endless mess in Iraq. We want to impose democracy on a place that will (for reasons I have explained several times on this forum) never be a democracy!! Perhaps we should get our act together and then expect international support!!
Lamarr Edwards - 02 Oct 2004 13:31 GMT Thorney - I am sure you have a point, what is it?
The US has had many sucessful military interventions throughout the world, beginning with the attack on the Barbary pirates in the very early 1800's, in which we did not feel the need to meet a "global test"
A "global test" is a buzzword for an anti military traitor senator to have, so that a he will have a pre existant excuse NOT to use the military unilaterially in the best interest of the US.
Interestingly, he said in the debate, that after !8 failed UN resolutions re Iraq, in twelve years, he would have gone back to the UN for another................, then, probably another ad infinitum.
I bet you really felt secure, when he looked you in the eye, and said " I will hunt the terrorists down, and kill them" ? right ?
Go back, and take a look at his words, and record, he was telling another bald faced lie.
If they are hanging out, and training with the support of the government, of say, Yemen, do you think the UN will give him a passing grade on his "global test" to attack Yemen ? Of course not !
So, we are back to firing cruise missles, and killing camels, the democrat way to deal with terrorists. LE
buckeye-ELO@nospam.net - 26 Feb 2005 13:23 GMT For Michael S. Morris
James Thomas Flexner, Page Smith, Dumas Malone, Joy Hakim, Samuel Eliot Morison do not in any manner or shape change this
INAUGURAL HISTORY http://www.pbs.org/newshour/inauguration/history.html [EXCERPT]
Deeply rooted in tradition, the presidential inauguration marks a new beginning for both the United States and its brand new president. Beginning with General George Washington's 1789 inauguration in New York City, many presidents have added their own unique traditions that will continue into
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The oath of office is the main focus of the inauguration ceremony and the only part required by law. In Article II, Section 1, of the U.S. Constitution, the founding fathers provided an oath of office for the President-elect's official swearing in. This 35-word vow has not changed since the 18th century.
"I do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will try to the best of my ability, to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
George Washington added the phrase "so help me God" to the end of his oath, and almost every president has added it since. He also followed his swearing-in with the first inaugural address -- another tradition most presidents have also adopted. *********************************************************************************** in light of your position, i.e. SHMG was, is not widely known, etc. explain this
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A USSC OPINION http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=mo&vol=/supreme/022001/&i nvol=2021301_101 When George Washington took the first oath of office as president in 1789, he recited the words prescribed in article II, section 1, of the United States Constitution(FN11) and then added these words, which are not found in the Constitution, "I swear, so help me God."(FN12) President Washington's words showed a belief in God and a prayer for His help. The first President's example has been followed by his successors.(FN13) In addition to the oath of our first president and all of his successors, the phrase "So help me God," and similar references to the Almighty, have been a part of our courtroom oaths, our laws, and other public rituals. See generally Zorach v. Clauson, 343 U.S. 306, 312-13 (1952); School Dist. of Abington Township v. Schempp, 374 U.S. 203, 214 (1963).(FN14) FN11. The President's oath, which is found in the last paragraph of article II, section 1, states: "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will, to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States." FN12. Steven B. Epstein, Rethinking the Constitutionality of Ceremonial Deism, 96 Colum. L. Rev. 2083, 2110 (1996) (citing Martin J. Medhurst, "God Bless the President": The Rhetoric of Inaugural Prayer 61 (1980) (unpublished Ph.D. dissertation, Pennsylvania State University)). FN13. Epstein, supra note 12, at 2111. SOURCE: Opinion -- Supreme Court of Missouri, Oliver v. State Tax Commission of Missouri, Case Number: SC82412 Handdown Date: 02/13/2001 ************************************************************************************* AND THIS (claims SHMG was said by Washington) FN12. Steven B. Epstein, Rethinking the Constitutionality of Ceremonial Deism, 96 Colum. L. Rev. 2083, 2110 (1996) (citing Martin J. Medhurst, "God Bless the President": The Rhetoric of Inaugural Prayer 61 (1980) (unpublished Ph.D. dissertation, Pennsylvania State University)).
AND THIS (claims SHMG was said by Washington) From Duche to Provoost: The birth of Inaugural Prayer, by Martin J. Medhurst. Journal of Church and State, Volume 24, Autumn 1982, Number 3, pp 573-588) **************************************************************************** TO BE CONTINUED
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