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History Forum / General / General Topics / July 2008What is the most dangerous false belief in the world today ?
What is, in your opinion, the most influential and dangerous false belief in today's world? By false belief, I mean something that had been refuted by the experts beyoun a reasonable doubt, but is still held by the general public (or a part thereof) as true. >What is, in your opinion, the most influential and dangerous false >belief in today's world? > >By false belief, I mean something that had been refuted by the experts >beyoun a reasonable doubt, but is still held by the general public (or >a part thereof) as true. Christianity. Hal > >What is, in your opinion, the most influential and dangerous false > >belief in today's world? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Christianity. If you're going to take potshots at religions, Islam would be a more appropriate target nowadays... > > >What is, in your opinion, the most influential and dangerous false > > >belief in today's world? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > If you're going to take potshots at religions, Islam would be a more > appropriate target nowadays... How about all formally structured religions? > > > >What is, in your opinion, the most influential and dangerous false > > > >belief in today's world? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > How about all formally structured religions? I suggest you read the Koran before you make stupid statements like that. The Koran tells Muslims to hate all Jews, Christians and Polytheists for no good reason just because they did not submit to Mohammed and to violate and disobey the laws of the country they reside in both common and statutory just because Mohammed did not manage to conquer it. It condones racism, intolerance, slavery, kidnapping, and child marriage. It tells Muslims to kill instead of make peace. It is demeaning to women. It tells Muslims to seek revenge instead of seeking justice and forgiveness and it elevates a bandit, mass murderer and sinner who never repented of his sins to the status of being a prophet of god. If the Koran had been publish today for the first time it would be banned from circulation for incitement to terrorism, religious hatred and racism. On the Channel 4 news on Sunday there was an item where a father whose daughter had been murdered by the Jews in Palestine said that he forgave the Jewish murderers for their crimes. Instantly I know this person was a Christian and could not possibly be a Muslim because forgiveness in not part of the Muslim or the Jewish religions. The camera then cut to an icon of Christ which proved me right. > On the Channel 4 news on Sunday there was an item where a father whose > daughter had been murdered by the Jews in Palestine said that he forgave the > Jewish murderers for their crimes. Instantly I know this person was a > Christian and could not possibly be a Muslim because forgiveness in not part > of the Muslim or the Jewish religions. The camera then cut to an icon of > Christ which proved me right. If you believe Christianity only has a forgiving side, better read Leviticus and see what it says about how to treat your neighbours. Islam and Judaism, and Christianity, all have forgiving and harsh aspects. It is teh religious leaders, and politicians inspired by those religions, that present the face of religion commonly seen by us. -- -- Fabian There is a force that shapes our ends, rough-hew them how we will. > > On the Channel 4 news on Sunday there was an item where a father whose > > daughter had been murdered by the Jews in Palestine said that he [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > If you believe Christianity only has a forgiving side, better read > Leviticus and see what it says about how to treat your neighbours. Isn't that the one where you are supposed to slaughter a certain number of sheep or cows for you crimes.That does not amount to confession of sin or forgiveness because Christ taught forgiveness without sacrifice. Islam > and Judaism, and Christianity, all have forgiving and harsh aspects. It You better read the Koran. Islam has noting of the kind. If they follow Allah and recognise Mohammed as his only prophet then forgive them (for being Christians, Pagans or Jews) is what the Koran says, otherwise slaughter them.Is that what you think is acceptable. > is teh religious leaders, and politicians inspired by those religions, > that present the face of religion commonly seen by us. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Fabian > There is a force that shapes our ends, rough-hew them how we will. > > On the Channel 4 news on Sunday there was an item where a father whose > > daughter had been murdered by the Jews in Palestine said that he [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > is teh religious leaders, and politicians inspired by those religions, > that present the face of religion commonly seen by us. If you want to get picky, you really shouldn't be selecting from the Old Testament, as that predates Christ by a good long while. "Dan Swartzendruber" <dswartz@druber.com> wrote in message > If you want to get picky, you really shouldn't be selecting from the Old > Testament, as that predates Christ by a good long while. OT does indeed predate Christ, but seeing as it is universally acknowledged as Canon by all major Christian groups, you can't really ignore it in any serious commentary on Christianity. -- -- Fabian There is a force that shapes our ends, rough-hew them how we will. "Fabian" <lajzar@hotmail.com> wrote in message new s:be0n13$10kqau$2@ID-174912.news.dfncis.de... > "Dan Swartzendruber" <dswartz@druber.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > acknowledged as Canon by all major Christian groups, you can't really > ignore it in any serious commentary on Christianity. The OT was overruled by Christ who negated all of it except for 2 commandments. Respect your parents and God. Christians do not have to sacrifice sheep to be admonished of their sins. All they have to do is repent which is a act of mind and means mote than killing a sheep if you have thousands in your flock. Christians do not have to engage in the barbaric act of circumcision to show their faith either. > -- > -- > Fabian > There is a force that shapes our ends, rough-hew them how we will. -- Fabian: > OT does indeed predate Christ, but seeing as it is > universally acknowledged as Canon by all major Christian > groups, you can't really ignore it in any serious commentary > on Christianity. Christians have license from Jesus, Paul, and Peter to disregard any parts of the Old Testament they do not like. Jews, of course, have no such license, but it does not seem to stop them. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG 986X54eyvUR242i0IlZJhZYDbDhjkQjqnn4HtO4h 4gpi2x+qcYOLQNKQZzi9BDmsaiOEfN8rpNANgCEdr >> How about all formally structured religions? > > I suggest you read the Koran before you make stupid statements like that. SV Good suggestion. It is ovious you have not followed your own advice. > The Koran tells Muslims to hate all Jews, Christians and Polytheists for no > good reason just because they did not submit to Mohammed and to violate and > disobey the laws of the country they reside in both common and statutory > just because Mohammed did not manage to conquer it. SV Really? Odd that in all my years of studying the Quran I have never seen such things. In fact Islam teaches the opposite of your ravings. > On the Channel 4 news on Sunday there was an item where a father whose > daughter had been murdered by the Jews in Palestine said that he forgave the > Jewish murderers for their crimes. Instantly I know this person was a > Christian and could not possibly be a Muslim because forgiveness in not part > of the Muslim or the Jewish religions. The camera then cut to an icon of > Christ which proved me right. SV "Remember that the recompense of an injury is an injury the like thereof; but whoso forgives and thereby brings about an improvement, his reward is with God. Surely, HE loves not the wrongdoers. There is no blame on those who defend themselves after they have been wronged. The blame is only on those who wrong men and transgress in the earth without justification. Such will have a grievous punishment. And he who is patient and forgives - that, surely, is a matter of high resolve." [Quran 42:40-43] -- Peace, Saqib Virk > >> How about all formally structured religions? > > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > "Remember that the recompense of an injury is an injury the like > thereof; but whoso forgives and thereby brings about an improvement, No turn the other cheek then. > his reward is with God. Surely, HE loves not the wrongdoers. There is > no blame on those who defend themselves after they have been wronged. > The blame is only on those who wrong men and transgress in the earth > without justification. Such will have a grievous punishment. And he > who is patient and forgives - that, surely, is a matter of high > resolve." [Quran 42:40-43] They why didn't Mohammed set an example. > -- > Peace, > Saqib Virk > > > Christianity. > > > > If you're going to take potshots at religions, Islam would be a more > > appropriate target nowadays... > > How about all formally structured religions? SV How about almost any ideology people believe strongly in? Nazism, Communism, American Patriotism; all non-religions. -- Peace, Saqib Virk >>>What is, in your opinion, the most influential and dangerous false >>>belief in today's world? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > If you're going to take potshots at religions, Islam would be a more > appropriate target nowadays... How about this ... all religions which are based upon the worship of the god of Abraham. That would be Christain, Muslim and Jewish. They create almost all the troubles in the world, at least those which effect us, and generally are conflicts "in the name" of the same god. >How about this ... all religions which are based upon the worship of the >god of Abraham. That would be Christain, Muslim and Jewish. > >They create almost all the troubles in the world, at least those which >effect us, and generally are conflicts "in the name" of the same god. That is a very succinct statement of the most dangerous false belief in the world. Steve Hayes http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm > >What is, in your opinion, the most influential and dangerous false > >belief in today's world? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Hal Annnnd, we're off and running! >>What is, in your opinion, the most influential and dangerous false >>belief in today's world? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Christianity. Yea...cause that damn book says I cant suck by partners weenie and I got to control my own weenie. Chirstians are just bad! Every anti religion comment translates from the above....just bigger words. > >>What is, in your opinion, the most influential and dangerous false > >>belief in today's world? The belief that one particular member of the opposite sex is better than another in some really big-time way. -- Mike Stone - Peterborough, England Q) In the Roman Civil Wars, why did all the bachelors fight for Sulla? A) Because they weren't the Marian kind. >>>What is, in your opinion, the most influential and dangerous false >>>belief in today's world? >>>By false belief, I mean something that had been refuted by the experts >>>beyoun a reasonable doubt, but is still held by the general public (or >>>a part thereof) as true. God is on OUR side! (stated by just about every clown that marched off to war) I personally doubt it because I think God has no use for idiots. > >>What is, in your opinion, the most influential and dangerous false > >>belief in today's world? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Every anti religion comment translates from the above....just bigger words. A Depression and the collapse of people's lives can't happen and kill millions off! >>>> What is, in your opinion, the most influential and dangerous false >>>> belief in today's world? [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > A Depression and the collapse of people's lives can't happen > and kill millions off! Friedmanism.  SignatureCorporate society looks after everything. All it asks of anyone, all it has ever asked of anyone, is that they do not interfere with management decisions. -From “Rollerball” > What is, in your opinion, the most influential and dangerous false > belief in today's world? > > By false belief, I mean something that had been refuted by the experts > beyoun a reasonable doubt, but is still held by the general public (or > a part thereof) as true. Belief in the expert. More precisely, the continuing belief that expertise can be extended into the future. We insist on believing that an advanced knowledge of the past implies an equally advanced knowledge of the future. We believe that the expert, who knows so much about how a system has behaved until today, also knows how it will behave tomorrow. The expert has become our entrail-gazer, and expert opinion our one "infallible" guide to the future workings of fate (or whatever you want to call it). Of course, I realise this doesn't QUITE answer your question. This belief hasn't been refuted by the experts :) Rob. -- Zardoz > What is, in your opinion, the most influential and dangerous > false belief in today's world? Fallacy of the broken window. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG XUJcRZbyj+dypvDp1YIRHhJg3ACh2AaztjEVfvFH 4eqXKxtrpFVP5x3SwPN5OqLIGuyUj1q1OThynIBgo > What is, in your opinion, the most influential and dangerous false > belief in today's world? > > By false belief, I mean something that had been refuted by the experts > beyoun a reasonable doubt, but is still held by the general public (or > a part thereof) as true. The Pan-Asian Alliance's "Plate Tectonics" theory. This theory (proven false by British, Quebecois, Dutch, Basque and Sonoran scientists) holds that major pieces of the Earth's crust - "plates" - are "floating" on a sea of semi-molten rock called the "mantle". The action of these "plates" grinding against each other causes earthquakes and mountain building. Ridiculous. This theory is, of course, patently false, and obviously so to anyone not deluded by the PAA's blatant propaganda - I hesitate to use the term "science". The PAA's leadership in Mandalay has really outdone itself with this one. In its competition with the west, the PAA will go any lengths - even absurd ones like this - to explain away it's dangerous policy of WMD development, including Earthquake generators designed to destroy Western targets. Only vigilence by the west can prevent catastrophe. Dave Knudson "Zardoz" <zardoz07@myfastmail.com> > What is, in your opinion, the most influential and dangerous false > belief in today's world? > > By false belief, I mean something that had been refuted by the experts > beyoun a reasonable doubt, but is still held by the general public (or > a part thereof) as true. May I nominate the widespread continuing belief in the authenticity of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion? This seems to fit your post's query fairly closely. > What is, in your opinion, the most influential and dangerous false > belief in today's world? > > By false belief, I mean something that had been refuted by the experts > beyoun a reasonable doubt, but is still held by the general public (or > a part thereof) as true. Infallibility > What is, in your opinion, the most influential and dangerous false > belief in today's world? > > By false belief, I mean something that had been refuted by the experts > beyoun a reasonable doubt, but is still held by the general public (or > a part thereof) as true. Neo-Conservatism, Zionism, and Islam. > > What is, in your opinion, the most influential and dangerous false > > belief in today's world? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Neo-Conservatism, Zionism, and Islam. I guess Marxism is not a valid choice, since the "still held by the general public" is no longer true :) > > > What is, in your opinion, the most influential and dangerous false > > > belief in today's world? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I guess Marxism is not a valid choice, since the "still held by the > general public" is no longer true :) Marx was a Zionist. > > > > What is, in your opinion, the most influential and dangerous false > > > > belief in today's world? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Marx was a Zionist. Which is irrelevant, as far as I can tell. Certainly 99.999% of the people who purported to follow Marxism weren't. > > > > > What is, in your opinion, the most influential and dangerous false > > > > > belief in today's world? [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Which is irrelevant, as far as I can tell. Certainly 99.999% of the > people who purported to follow Marxism weren't. Not according to Hitler. Marxism is Zionism. Read Mien Kamf. >>>>>>What is, in your opinion, the most influential and dangerous false >>>>>>belief in today's world? [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Not according to Hitler. Marxism is Zionism. Read Mien Kamf. So Hitler is now the intellectual authority on Marx? --Jeff > >>>>>>What is, in your opinion, the most influential and dangerous false > >>>>>>belief in today's world? [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > So Hitler is now the intellectual authority on Marx? Thatcher and Blair seem to think so. Both have read Mien Kamf and the Protocols of Zion. > --Jeff > > >>>>>>What is, in your opinion, the most influential and dangerous false > > >>>>>>belief in today's world? [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Thatcher and Blair seem to think so. Both have read Mien Kamf and the > Protocols of Zion. Assuming this is true, which may be reaching, what does that prove or even imply? The both also likely have read Paradise Lost and The Prince. So what. >>>>>>>>What is, in your opinion, the most influential and dangerous false >>>>>>>>belief in today's world? [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Thatcher and Blair seem to think so. Both have read Mien Kamf and the > Protocols of Zion. So thanks for proving you're on some whacko conspiratorial political fringe and rational people can safely ignore your posts. --Jeff >What is, in your opinion, the most influential and dangerous false >belief in today's world? > >By false belief, I mean something that had been refuted by the experts >beyoun a reasonable doubt, but is still held by the general public (or >a part thereof) as true. The belief that Germans are racially superior to everyone else. Yes I know that Fuehrer Adolf III casts himself as a reformer and uses buzzwords like "Offenheit" and "Neugliederung", but the core of Nazi theology remains unchanged, as he himself made clear in his recent speech at Wewelsburg. ObWI: what if, after the 1962 war, the Nazis hadn't abolished Christianity and replaced it with their own Norse-inspired religion? SignaturePhil "If only sarcasm could overturn bureaucracies" -- NTK, commenting on www.cabalamat.org/weblog/art_29.html > What is, in your opinion, the most influential and dangerous false > belief in today's world? > > By false belief, I mean something that had been refuted by the experts > beyoun a reasonable doubt, but is still held by the general public (or > a part thereof) as true. The belief in an inherent right to privacy and the "rights" that have evolved from it. >What is, in your opinion, the most influential and dangerous false >belief in today's world? > >By false belief, I mean something that had been refuted by the experts >beyoun a reasonable doubt, but is still held by the general public (or >a part thereof) as true. The free market. Steve Hayes http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm > What is, in your opinion, the most influential and dangerous false > belief in today's world? > > By false belief, I mean something that had been refuted by the experts > beyoun a reasonable doubt, but is still held by the general public (or > a part thereof) as true. The most dangerous false belief is: "Posting off topic drivel to news groups is ok." Llanzlan. > What is, in your opinion, the most influential and dangerous false > belief in today's world? > By false belief, I mean something that had been refuted by the experts > beyoun a reasonable doubt, but is still held by the general public (or > a part thereof) as true. That beliefs are other than a means of self-aggrandizement for the believer. For humans everything is reflexise. SignatureThe difference between Julius Caesar, Napolean and Hilter is only time. -- The Iron Webmaster, 2700 > What is, in your opinion, the most influential and dangerous false > belief in today's world? That there is easy and simple way to improve the world. > What is, in your opinion, the most influential and dangerous false > belief in today's world? > > By false belief, I mean something that had been refuted by the experts > beyoun a reasonable doubt, but is still held by the general public (or > a part thereof) as true. That George W. Bush was elected president of the United States and has the right to exercise the powers of that office. Jean Coeur de Lapin > What is, in your opinion, the most influential and dangerous false > belief in today's world? > > By false belief, I mean something that had been refuted by the experts > beyoun a reasonable doubt, but is still held by the general public (or > a part thereof) as true. that people believe everything they say & do on T.V. is true and try to emeulate the end result. example "Jackass" > What is, in your opinion, the most influential and dangerous false > belief in today's world? > > By false belief, I mean something that had been refuted by the experts > beyoun a reasonable doubt, but is still held by the general public (or > a part thereof) as true. I note that none of the self-appointed shwi newsgroup police (Coyu, Emperor, Chester Arthur, etc.) have emitted a peep about this blatantly off-topic (and crossposted) thread. I guess it's OK for Chomskyites to pollute this newsgroup with openly political crap without even a semblance of what-if content, but let a libertarian try to make a legitimate reply to an on-topic thread, and suddenly it's the coming of the Apocalypse. Nice to know where you all stand. - Firebug > What is, in your opinion, the most influential and dangerous false > belief in today's world? > > By false belief, I mean something that had been refuted by the experts > beyoun a reasonable doubt, but is still held by the general public (or > a part thereof) as true. That the white race has been genetically engineered by aliens, to be superior to all other races. Or some variant of that. substitute any other race you wish. The basic idea that humans were created by aliens, and that our creator ('God') was an alien, is absurd, and the most outrageous belief that I can think of. To illustrate, read your favourite scripture and try to figure out how difficult it is to disprove that--since it reads true even if you assume that god was an alien. You can't disprove it easily. That's why it is infectious. Mohammad once said that "the antichrist (who claims to be your God) will be the most difficult trial for mankind from the time of Adam, to the day of judgement." People who think they can rule over others by virtue of their being the first to build or gentically modify human beings fall into the same category, I think. So the worst belief will fall into the category of "I am the true master" sort of beliefs. Hasan > What is, in your opinion, the most influential and dangerous false > belief in today's world? > > By false belief, I mean something that had been refuted by the experts > beyoun a reasonable doubt, but is still held by the general public (or > a part thereof) as true. That any of you are brighter than I am. But you'll learn, oh yes, you'll learn... :^) Bernard "Humble" Guerrero |
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