History Forum / General / General Topics / February 2008

TurkeyBoy <ataturkey@hotmail.com> wrote in news:b8406f7a-b40f-4fb6-b90c-
7053f33374ec@z17g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:

  These "Jews",  Istvan?

  http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2008/02/06/006.html

  Anti-Semitism was introduced as official Soviet state ideology
during Stalin's reign in the late 1930s. Jews were barred from high
positions in virtually all spheres. In the media, literature and
films, they were almost never shown in a positive light.

  </quote>

RJ.

      (deletia)

      Your real name is Istvan Lippai.  You're a 71 year old
immigrant from Hungary.  Why do you post under an alias?  Are
you ashamed of the following?

     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow_Cross_Party

      The Arrow Cross Party (Hungarian: Nyilaskeresztes P.rt . Hungarista
Mozgalom, literally "Arrow Cross Party-Hungarianist Movement") was a pro-
German anti-Semitic national socialist party led by Ferenc Szalasi which
ruled Hungary from October 15, 1944 to January 1945. During its short rule,
80,000 Jews, including many women, children and elderly were deported from
Hungary to their deaths.[1] After the war, Szalasi and other Arrow Cross
leaders were tried as war criminals by Hungarian courts.

Speaking of lying, well you ever acknowledge your lies about
Prof. Librescu's heroism?

 i.e. reports of Prof. Librescu's holding the door shut at VA Tech to
 prevent the shooter from entering his classroom while his students
 escaped out the window, getting shot 5 times and dying as a result

 Poor Istvan! You started telling this lie *within hours* of the
 reports of Prof Librescu's heroism and you haven't stopped telling
 it since.

 The problem is that the only evidence you have for this claim
 resides entirely within the near vacuum of your skull, and thus it
 doesn't count as evidence at all, here, in the _real world_.

 Well, not exactly true. It does count as evidence of your
 willingness to believe your own delusions without question and of
 the fact that you seem to be incapable of assessing the difference
 between a fiction which you've manufactured in the depths of your
 pathetical little soul and what constitutes a *fact*.

 It's why you are a holocaust denier.

 For example, many of the reports of Prof Librescu's courage came
 *from the campus of VA Tech*, from reporters who were interviewing
 people *who were there*.

 The fact that we have these reports from eyewitness seems to have
 completely escaped your attention. There's a simple reason for
 that. Very nearly the very first thing out of your mouth was this
 preposterous claim of a 'conspiracy' being driven from Israel, and
 since that time you can't possibly tear yourself away from the
 fascination your own voice gives you long enough to actually assess
 the facts. Of course, a _rational_ person, one not so driven by
 their hatred of Jews, would have looked at the facts first, before
 shooting their mouth off, but even having shot their mouth off a
 person more ratiional than yourself would have examined the facts
 after their initial faux pas and modified their opiniion or just
 kept mum on the subject and hoped that their embarrassment could go
 away with time.

 But you possess neither of these sorts of rationaliity. You are
 entirely convinced of your own rectitude and, therefore, have no
 need of such mundane things as 'facts' against which you check your
 assertions. It's been this way with you since you arrived and you
 haven't change one jot or tiddle since then.

 I'm about to demonstrate what a pathetic little liar you are, but I
 have no illusions that this will actually stop you from repeating
 your lie. Facts have never stood in your way before and I am in no
 doubt that they won't stand in your way now.

 I call you a liar because deep down, in that little gnarled up ball
 that must now be your heart, you know full well that your claims
 about Librescu are false. Unlike you, for whom truth and fiction are
 all of one cloth, I have evidence: your defensiveness about Librescu
 is really nothing more than your pitiful attempt to keep at bay the
 realization that he, a Jew, was a thousand times the man you will
 ever be.

 
 So, now, without further ado, we have to evidence of your misdeeds:
 evidence that was available to you from shortly after the VA Tech
 shooting, if you'd looked. But you didn't, and the fact that you
 didn't and that you made up this story about this conspiracy
 eminating from Israel, just proves that, despite your claims to the
 contrary, you're just a plain old, run-of-the-mill, vulgar,
 spittle-spewing anti-semite.

 Just like people like Ben Crammer.

  <quote http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=3049678&page=1>
    Soon after Librescu's class heard a "thunderous sound" from a
    classroom next door, some of the students, including Alec Calhou,
    started jumping out of the classroom windows. Right before he
    leapt, Calhoun told The Associated Press, he turned around and
    saw Librescu attempting to block the door.
  </quote>

 <quote http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/19/us/19professor.html?_r=1&oref=slogin>

    Professor Librescu never moved from the door of Room 204 in
    Norris Hall at Virginia Tech, witnesses said, even as the gunman,
    Cho Seung-Hui, was shooting. Directing his students to escape
    through windows, Professor Librescu was fatally shot.

    [snip]

    In Blacksburg, Va., one of those students, Caroline Merrey, 22,
    described some of the chaos that unfolded inside Room 204.

    “We had heard the gunfire coming from the classroom behind us,
    and we just reacted to it and headed for the windows,† Ms. Merrey
    said. “Professor Librescu never made an attempt to leave.â€

    Ms. Merrey said she and about 20 other students scrambled through
    the windows as Professor Librescu shouted for them to hurry. She
    said she felt sure his actions helped save lives.

    “He’s a part of my life now and forever,† she said. “I’m
    changed. I’m not the person I was before Monday.â€

 </quote>

 <quote>

    In yesterday morning's lecture on solid mechanics, all was quiet
    except for the sound of Professor Liviu Librescu's voice.

    Then came the gunshots - in the classroom next door. In an
    instant, Virginia Tech's Norris Hall, a building dedicated to the
    science of engineering, was torn apart by the worst shooting
    rampage in modern U.S. history.

    Junior Richard Mallalieu said he and about 20 classmates
    instantly dropped to the floor, ducking under and behind desks
    for what sounded like the first 10 shots.

    "It wasn't like an automatic weapon, but it was a steady `pow,'
    `pow,' `pow,' `pow,'" Mallalieu, 23, said in a phone interview
    with The Sun. "We didn't know what to do at first."

    Then the sound of the gunshots shifted. Coming closer.

    Their next move became instantly clear: Get out.

    Mallalieu said his professor held the door shut while students
    darted to the windows. Some climbed on desks, ledges and a
    radiator cover to pull down the screens and kick at the
    metal-framed glass, Mallalieu said. Three windows easily gave way
    and swung open on hinges as the gunshots got louder.

    Closer.

    "It sounded like he was going out into the hallway," said
    Mallalieu, a civil engineering major from Luray, Va.

    Once the windows for the second-floor classroom were open,
    Mallalieu and most of his classmates hung out of them and dropped
    about 10 feet to bushes and grass below, he said.

    Some students ran to a nearby building. Others waited to help
    students who had been injured in the fall, Mallalieu said.

    But then the sound of gunfire filled their classroom, sending all
    who had escaped toward nearby Patton Hall, he said.

    Mallalieu said he never saw Librescu escape. "I don't think my
    teacher got out."  Librescu, a professor of engineering science
    and mechanics who was educated in Romania and is a U.S. citizen,
    could not be reached yesterday. As of 4 p.m., his wife had not
    been able to find him either.

    "I am looking also. I know that he was shot, but I cannot find
    him," she said, panicked, in a phone interview. "How is it
    possible that a wife cannot know?"

 </quote>

 "As the gunshots shifted closer, next move was clear: get out"
  Baltimore Sun, Apr 17, 2007, Doug Donovan, Section 1A

 <quote>

    BLACKSBURG, Va. -- Tonight, Caroline Merrey plans to put on her
    academic gown - gingerly, because she is still sore - place the
    black cap on her blond hair and join her classmates for the
    evening commencement ceremony in Lane Stadium at Virginia Tech.

    As she graduates, she will think about her loved ones sitting in
    the audience - her parents who drove down from their Parkville
    home, her boyfriend who flew in from Chicago.

    But, she says, she will also think about those not in the stands,
    the professors and classmates who died on a Monday morning not
    quite four weeks ago. On that day, a student killed two people in
    a dorm, then burst into the building where Merrey was attending
    class and shot and killed 30 others before taking his own
    life. Merrey jumped out a window soon after the shots began.

    She will be thinking of Liviu Librescu, the professor who was
    teaching her that morning, the man with the thick Romanian accent
    who always greeted her warmly in the hallway. She remembers the
    startled expression on his face and how, as the gunfire grew
    louder, he still held his pointer in his hand.

    After Merrey climbed out the window, she dangled by her fingers
    for a moment, summoning the courage to let go. Her eyes met
    Librescu's one last time, she says.

    Other students have said that the professor held the door shut as
    the gunman advanced, buying them time to jump to
    safety. Librescu, a 76-year-old Holocaust survivor, was shot to
    death.

    Merrey says that she will always remember one of their last
    conversations. Librescu, a professor of engineering science and
    mechanics, hadn't realized she was a senior. When she told him
    she was about to graduate, she recalls him saying, "I'll be there
    at commencement, clapping for you."

    Hard to focus

    Sitting on the couch in the townhouse she shares with two
    roommates, Merrey, 22, says that she has had a hard time focusing
    since the April 16 shootings. She starts to pack her things, then
    gets distracted. She is awakened five or six times a night by
    back pain from her fall or by vivid, haunting dreams. In one, she
    is walking down the street and hears gunshots. In another, she
    looks up to see a gun pointed at her face.

    "There's still a lot going on inside, even though I seem fine
    outside," she says.

    She has avoided reading or watching the "manifesto" that gunman
    Seung-Hui Cho, 23, left behind. Once she opened a magazine to
    find a large photo of Cho, gun pointing forward. She nearly
    dropped the magazine in fright.

    And then there is the guilt. Even though family and friends tell
    her she did the right thing, she wonders whether, if she hadn't
    jumped, she could have saved Librescu or a classmate who was
    shot. She wonders why she was lucky enough to be spared.

    Merrey says that she hopes that her planned move to Chicago and
    search for a job will take her mind off the shootings.

    Yesterday, she joined other seniors for a farewell block party,
    complete with karaoke, a mechanical bull and a Velcro wall. She
    didn't plan to stay long because she wanted to find some of her
    professors and say goodbye.

    Elsewhere on campus, students packed their parents' cars with
    boxes of clothes and books. Families, many wearing T-shirts in
    the school's colors of orange and maroon, traipsed through this
    small town in the Blue Ridge Mountains.

    After loading the car for the trip home to Fairfax Station, Va.,
    sophomore Megha Maheshwari and her mother, Suneeta Maheshwari,
    laid flowers at the memorial stones that have been set up for the
    victims.

    A woman re-arranging the flowers around a stone dedicated to
    Partahi Lumbantoruan, an Indonesian graduate student, wept loudly
    and appeared to be chanting a prayer. Some men with her dabbed at
    their eyes with folded handkerchiefs.

    Norris Hall, the engineering building where most of the shootings
    took place, is enclosed by a metal fence and green netting. A
    photocopied ad for a fraternity's go-kart race, held two days
    before the shooting, is still stuck to the door.

    Merrey, an engineering science and mechanics major, took most of
    her classes in Norris Hall. The gray stone building smelled
    pleasantly of books and chalk and faintly of must, she says.

    `Interesting day'

    It was snowing the morning of April 16, prompting Merrey to write
    her boyfriend an e-mail saying, "This is going to be an
    interesting day."

    She bought herself a cup of Earl Grey tea and slid into her
    wooden desk in Librescu's Solid Mechanics class.

    As Librescu was lecturing, she saw the door open a crack and
    someone, who she believes was Cho, peep in the classroom.

    Minutes later, Merrey heard gunshots. People screamed in the next
    classroom.

    Some classmates opened the door, then decided they were safer
    inside. Some dropped to the floor. One young man opened the
    window, kicked out the screen and jumped. Librescu stayed by the
    door, pointer in hand.

    Merrey grabbed her purple L.L. Bean backpack and pushed it out
    the window. Then she jumped.

    "The whole time I'm thinking, `Am I completely stupid?'" she
    says. "`I can't believe I'm jumping out of a second-story
    window.'"

    She landed on her back, the wind knocked out of her, unable to
    move. A classmate grabbed her and dragged her to the front of the
    building. She tried to stand and collapsed. Another classmate
    carried her to a nearby building and placed her on a table. Staff
    and students stayed by her side, comforting her until rescue
    workers rushed her to a hospital.

    Strapped to a board, her head taped so that she could not move
    it, Merrey struggled to talk with clergy members, social workers,
    investigators. When a friend arrived, she asked about her
    professor and learned that Librescu had been killed.

    Meanwhile, her parents, Karen and Bob Merrey, had been panicked
    ever since they heard about the shootings in Norris Hall. When a
    rescue worker called to say that their daughter had suffered mild
    injuries jumping out the window, the Merreys said prayers of joy
    and rushed to Blacksburg.

    They arrived that night and stayed 10 days, taking their daughter
    on long drives, talking on the sofa for hours.

    The Merreys say that they can't thank God enough that their
    daughter is safe. They pray for the families of the victims and
    for Cho's family.

    "As a parent, you always want to protect your children, and in
    this life there are things that happen that you can't protect
    them from," Karen Merrey says.

    Caroline Merrey said that the tragedy has prompted her to re-
    evaluate her priorities. She spends more time with friends and
    family and no longer stresses about her job search.

    At graduation, she will drape a special garment with the school's
    logo around her neck. It's a tradition to wear this for the
    ceremony, then pass it to someone who "got you to where you are,"
    she says.

    She plans to give it to Librescu's widow.

 </quote>

   "A Sad Passage ; A Virginia Tech Senior from Parkville will
    graduate with memories of classmates and teachers killed last
    month", The Baltimore Sun, Sec 1.A, Julie Scharper

 So, MonkeyBoy. What do you say to that?

 Nothing?

 Or will you just repeat your same old lie, as if I haven't just
 proved you a fool, a liar, or both?

 I'm voting for the latter.

 

 What a pathetic little man you are.

 I emphasize *little*.

 Mean spirited, twisted little soul, that's what you are. Like all
 anti-semities.

 You let your hatred do that to you. The fact that you feel this way
 is your fault.

whd

although, of course, most of them were Christians, with a few Muslims
thrown in.