History Forum / General / General Topics / May 2008

All of them went to work in Rubashkin's kosher slaughterhouse, and ended up
as kosher schnitzel!

And just exactly what are those sources kurt

We all know that the 6 million number was chosen for it's cabbalistic
meaning but you shouldn't use this bullshit to completely deny that many
jews were deported to camps in the East and died there or were killed in one
way or another. But many different people besides jews were also imprisoned
and it's wrong for the jews to have a monopoly on the Nazi killing of
civilians aka Holocaust in these camps. Just as many Poles and people from
the East were killed or died in these camps and that's not even counting the
ones who were shot on the spot or taken to fields and were machine gunned
and buried.  Accurate numbers are impossible to determine. When Hitler came
to power many jews left Germany and later when racial laws were put into
place many more left.

...Kind of makes your wonder!

The world population has increased by a factor of "X" over the same period
1988 to 2000.

If you consider Jw = 18.1, and Jw (X) = 13.2,  then X would have be a
negative value. But the world has overall increased by X (factor) between
1988 and 2000, so it -cannot- logically be a negative value.

In 1988 the world estimated population was 5.1 billion persons, and in 2000
roughly 6.8 million persons. Doing very basic math 6.8 divided 5.1 =
1.333333; so X roughly equals 1.333333 as a general population increase
factor.

Okay... now 18.1 (1.333333) = 24.1 -- but that doesn't buzz out does it?
Take net missing Jews, more than 4.9 million. Then by extrapolation the poor
little Jews must have lost 10.9 million between 1988 and 2000, which is 1.82
times greater than the estimated 6 million lost in the "Holocaust"(tm) of
WW-2 Europe.

sh.t, where's the memorial?

Reverse math shows that 13.3 (y2k) Jews, divided by the established factor
of 1.8167, shows then there were really only 7.27 million Jews in 1988.

How many Jews were then there in 1943...?

Not knowing the population figures, without further research considering the
anomalies of a world war, it's hard to say. But the world population in 1943
was estimated to be at 2.25 billion.

Hmmmmmmm... the world population has tripled between 1943 and 2000 -- really
3.0222. So how many Jews were there in 1943?  My calculator comes up with
roughly 4.37 million. That, plus those lost in WW-II can at best be, using
current pro-Jewish figures, it equals 10.37 million at the most in 1938
pre-Nazi era.

My God, it's a miracle! They really are chosen people. Memorial! They ought
to build a new temple to commemorate the miracle of their regeneration.

Footnote: If you carry the numbers out, there were about 27.5 thousand Jews
in all of Mesopotamia/Egypt in 5000 BC.

I am English, but my mother was born in Germany and lived there during the
war.  Her parents, whilst of German ethnicity, speaking German in their homes,
lived in what was termed Russio-Poland before World War I.  They were married
two years when WWI broke out.  He was sent to the front line to fight Germans,
because as a Pole under Russian rule he had to support Russia who was the
enemy of Germany at that time!  My grandmother (his wife) meanwhile remained
in her village in Poland, and was often hounded out of her home into the
nearby hills because Poles from other villages didn't like to here any German
speakers.  In the end she had to flee as a refugee and landed in Germany.

Her husband was hit by a German bullet, damaging his arm beyond repair, and
the bullet went right through into his brother's head, killing the sibling
outright.  He was invalided out of the war and went in search of his wife,
finding her in Germany.

They had several conceptions but only one child survived to adulthoold, my
mother.  

During the early 30s, when my mother was still a child, my grandfather would
speak out again Hitler who he didn't like.  As a lay preacher of a lesser
known Christian group (methodists) there was no church for him and his
followers to pray in so my grandparents' room was used for church services.
In time the authorities learned of his gatherings and charged him with
paedophilia, a stigma that still causes reputations to be destroyed even
today, even if the allegations are false!

He was sent to prison for 5 years, made stateless for 10.  My grandmother was
also made stateless, although she was never tried in a court for any crime.
My mother having been born in Germany, and having white hair suggesting Aryan
background (despite the brown eyes) kept the two females out of the camps.

However, my grandfather was moved from his prison - where no-one knows - and
all contact was lost with the family.  However, in May 1940, a notice on a
board stated that he had died in Sachsenhausen Camp (Oranienburg Complex).

What bothers me most is that when I tried to find out more about his death,
in 2005, I was put in contact with a German Organisation, which seemed to be
very official and acting on behalf of the German Government.  

I was told in a letter (in English) that the records of those camps which
were "liberated" by the Russians were destroyed by the SS and what few
records remained were taken away by the Russians.  They had since passed on
the records to the German authorities who had authorised this organisation to
try and make sense of what information remained.  

First question: if some, or many, of the records of the camp inmates were
destroyed, whether by the SS or the Russians, then how can anyone say with
absolute certainty how many people died, whether Jew of Gentile, in those
camps?  

Second question: If there are any discrepancies at all about the figures then
NO government has any right to pass legislation that insists no-one is
allowed to query the facts of the official version of events and as this
would be a true statement, what right does Germany and other countries have
to arrest and criminalise those who query the official story in any shape or
form?

The documents that they did send were far more scanty than another document I
had from German sources regarding my grandparents' wedding certificate
details.  This document was an affidavit written by a German official, and a
translation of the details he had seen on this Russian Marriage Certificate.
The details given included ALL of my great-grandparents' names.

The documents sent relating to the camp, had a different place of birth, only
my grandmother's first name, not her full name, nothing mentioned about my
mother (his daughter), and whilst they stated when he arrived in the camp,
and when he died, it gave NO MENTION as to HOW he died!!!

I would add he lasted only 3 weeks in Sachsenhausen!

My later research indicates that the Poles were not interned en-masse at the
same time, indicating that he was not part of that mass round up of Polish
people.  Remember, he was stateless at this time, and he is recognised as
such in the documents.  He is also called a criminal.  

This is the camp that was the training camp for other SS officers who would
be in charge of other camps.  If they didn't keep the cause of death in their
records then no other camp would either.

I would like to know what happened to him, as my mother and grandmother had a
terrible time both before and during the war.  My grandmother was stateless
and had to report to the officials if they ever thought of moving, and often
they were forced to move on whether they wanted to or not.

Since being in England, my mother has had to endure much hatred and
opposition, just because she was born in Germany.  I too was called a Nazi at
6 years of age, and this has never truly been settled in my own mind.  I have
listened to those whose propaganda has been rife throughout my life, with
little help to come to terms with it because the UK Government didn't see it
as a problem!

No, I am forced to accept I will never know the whole truth, but it doesn't
help when I see governments ostracising those who oppose, or even just
question, the official story, when they have admitted they don't have ALL of
the FACTS!

Poles, Germans, and everyone else who is a supporter of the official version
would do well to think on what I have just written.

I was never a person to question this before, accepting the holocaust story
in its entirity.  Now, however, I am forced to rethink the "facts" given by
officials, especially as they tend to contradict themselves so much!

True Questor