History Forum / General / General Topics / July 2008

There's lotsa data. "The Children of Kali" by Rushby looked into
the Thuggee and found it was all Victorian British PR bullshit.
What was really going on was that the Thuggee PRETENDED to be
pilgrims to Kali festivals. The temples were the victims of
the Thuggee, not the perpetrators.

As above you see there are contrary opinions. There's also "Ancient
Goddesses" by archeologists Goodison and Morris, who mention on the
flyleaf of the controversy of the Chalcolithic Age of Peace. So, they
set out to dig into a virgin tel specifically looking for layers of
burnt rubble or other such *evidence* of warfare.

They did find a layer of burnt rubble, but then trenching out, find
it was just a single housefire. And to judge by the placement of
sacred objects in the floor in the corners, a ritual event.

I also have a copy of Gimbutas' "the Language of the Goddess" with a
forward by Joseph Campbell, which he closes with:"The message here is
of an actual age of peace and harmony with the creative energies of
Nature, which for a spell of some 4000 prehistoric years anteceded the
5000 of what James Joyce has termed the "nightmare" (of contending
tribal and national interests) from which it is certainly time for this
planet to wake."

I've quoted this often on forums since I first read it 10 years ago,
and have yet to find anyone who can point to any evidence dug out of
any Chalcolithic tel on the floodplains of the rivers that empty into
the West end of the Black sea to show warfare during this 4000 years.

Gimbutas, among others, notes the whole region was abandoned. Since
her time the pace of abandonment has been somewhat exposed. It looks
like Anthrax because the area remained uninhabited for scores if
years or longer. The abandonment begins with the domestication of
the horse; which prolly brought the disease in from the Steppes.

And so there is an exodus. Part takes the world's first plank hulled
sail boats down to the Agean Cycladic isles to become the Minoan. And
again, there is a remarkable lack of signs of warfare until after the
disastrous eruption of Mt Stronghyle on Thera, the weakening of the
culture, and then Mycenean conquest. But until they show up, there's
no signs of violence among the Minoans at all. No iconography of war,
weapons, warriors, or kings.

Another portion goes into the cattle business with horses and carts
on the Steppe, and as EW Barber in "The Mummies of Urumchi" says,
shows up in what is now NW China 4000 years ago to found what became
the Silk Road cities like Loulan, Niya, Kucha, Khotan, & Urumchi.

Only this time, they endure long enuf that we have *documents* that
were preserved by the cold arid conditions of the Taklamakhan. As
Barber explains, it also freeze dried the Tocharian bodies. There
are no graves of warriors. No weapons buried with anyone. No lavish
graves of kings. And the cities dont have an palaces from this era
either. German, English, & French expeditions 100 years ago hauled
out *truckloads* of documents 1500 years old and older. I've yet to
see any reports of warfare from any of them.

There was no need. the few springs were too small to provide enuf
water for an army. But, eventually, there was a wet year with enuf
water in the Tamir river, and Mongol hordes came thru on their way
to the rest of Asia.

But before that, while the Tocharians did call up posses of the
"Longswords" to deal with bandits, these independent city states
existed for well over a millennia without leaving us with any
evidence at all that they ever warred with each other.

If people were rational atheism mite work. But they are not, and
will believe any damn thing. But if the accepted concept of the
divine is the Goddess, then you can imagine the problem a demagogue
would have trying to claim that *he* speaks in *HER* name. Its real
simple. Show me any example from history where atheism has actually
produced peace.

I have a copy of the "Maitreyasamiti Texts in Toccharian A" a copy
made in the 5th century of a conversation between the Living Buddha
and the Gautamid queen of Kucha. They dont discuss god at all. Most
of it has to do with the appropriate way for her to perform ancient
Aryan rituals. They also discuss the growing problem of what we now
call misogyny, referring to the "arrogant Sakyas", who are the same
jackasses still running Pakistan and Afghanistan with the very same
a.shole attitudes. I dont think you can sell them on Atheism either.

Anyway, speaking of Kali, same deal in Kucha. As we see from early
Taoist texts on what we'd call "tantric sex". The women were taught
that sex was a holy ritual, and thus the "whorehouses" were owned
by the city. Run by the queen. There are, and always have been two
ways to control men: violence or sex. Pick one.

This series of matriarchies, going back 8000 years or more, used
sex. With sex, they got as many men as they wanted for Longswords
to deal with bandits. We also have the letters, such as left when
Niya was abandoned 1500 years ago, from one shipping office to the
next arranging for their men to get laid when they get to town. The
women dont want the boys coming back with STDs from f.cking cheap
whores. (I see women now reestablishing this system)

Its worth noting as well that since the queen does not need a harem,
she dont need a palace to keep them in, nor a castle to protect the
palace, nor the taxes to support the whole setup. The women of Kucha,
the Kuchi, coo at the brothel door, and that brings in enuf money to
support the city.

Atheism is not gonna solve this problem. Men still want all the pussy
they can get and will corrupt any system you can design. Women running
things have very different results, and I can tell you from personal
experience that tantric sex with a surrogate of the goddess will blow
atheism out of the mind of any man with balls.
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