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History Forum / General / General Topics / September 2008George Carlin On The Ruling Elite In America.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJnaxsLBl94 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJnaxsLBl94 George became a little erratic as he got older, but he always understoodAnd he' who the "enemy" was.... and he was probably right saying that it's not going to change.. too bad for us, K e v > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJnaxsLBl94 > George became a little erratic as he got older, but he always > understoodAnd he' �who the "enemy" was.... and he was probably right > saying that it's not going to change.. That's why Carlin was a comedian and not an incendiary. Bret Cahill > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJnaxsLBl94 > > George became a little erratic as he got older, but he always > > understoodAnd he' who the "enemy" was.... and he was probably right > > saying that it's not going to change.. > > That's why Carlin was a comedian and not an incendiary. Well, in my opinion, it's a good thing comedians don't burn people at the stake. Is that what you meant? Or are you referring to just your basic everyday Greenola arson, burning SUVs or "McMansions" that dare to be built along their bicycling route? Some say the dissidents will burn with fire, Some say they'll just be put on ice. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJnaxsLBl94 I thought he was supposed to be funny. >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJnaxsLBl94 > >I thought he was supposed to be funny. He was. Its called sarcasm. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJnaxsLBl94 When a wealthy famous celebrity pretends he's not a part of "the club," (i.e. the owners of America), all you can do is laugh. It's an ironic version of the liar's paradox. Those rich wealthy bastards don't care about you, says the rich wealth bastard. Yeah, and he does. One of the biggest and wealthiest busines interests in America is the entertainment industry, of which Carlin is a part. Now, if he were talking specifically about his own industry, when he says they don't have an interest in well-educated masses who are capable of critical thinking, I would say he is right. After all, the dumber the masses are, the easier their jobs are. Hell, if people were too capable of critical thinking, they'd see through his own lame-a.s sentimentality as well, and he might have to actually get some inspiration for a change, instead of heaping up this simple-minded pap for the uncritical. This reminds me of the Green Day song, "American Idiot," which was a hit a few years ago. "Don't wanna be an American Idiot, one nation controlled by the media." But, ahem, Green Day... you ARE part of the media. My version: Don't wanna be an American Idiot, and sing along with the same simple trite songs that everybody else does. That is today's lecture in CritThink 101. Doubt everything, Seekers. Everybody's selling something. "And remember, Seekers, to never feel lonely, because there's a Seeker born every minute." -Firesign Theatre, "Everything You Know Is Wrong" > That is today's lecture in CritThink 101. �Doubt everything, > Seekers. �Everybody's selling something. Supposin' a seeker gits pushed too far? Bret Cahill On Aug 21, 10:12 pm, BretCah...@peoplepc.com wrote: > > That is today's lecture in CritThink 101. Doubt everything, > > Seekers. Everybody's selling something. > > Supposin' a seeker gits pushed too far? Then I guess he flips and starts trolling Usenet with nonsensical posts about "tax cut recessions," "oilin' yer gun," and "Jimmy Carter high-tax economic booms." >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJnaxsLBl94 > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >rich wealthy bastards don't care about you, says the rich >wealth bastard. Yeah, and he does. Did he inherit his wealth like most of the rich have done or did he make it on his own? I don't see Carlin as being part of any club. He wasn't the type. > >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJnaxsLBl94 > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Did he inherit his wealth like most of the rich have done or did he > make it on his own? What difference would it make? Many of the wealthy bastards who are selected to be the choices for the electorate, about whom he was talking when he claimed "they don't care about you," made their own money as well. > I don't see Carlin as being part of any club. He wasn't the type. I don't see it as a literal club, anyway. I see it as a projection. Anyway, he was talking about the "owners." As a rich wealthy player in the Entertainment Industry, which has the greatest interest in dumbing down the public, since a more critical public might require entertainment that requires more thought to produce, he is one of the owners. >> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJnaxsLBl94 >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >claimed "they don't care about you," made their own >money as well. Following politics is a hobby of mine, not a passion, for I know that in America at least its all about profit and greed. For many its almost like professional sports with two teams playing against each other in a game of war, when in fact the two teams are in bed with each other. Most people just don't understand that and many other truths and George Carlin shoved it down their throats in a way that was palatable, not offensive, to them. >> I don't see Carlin as being part of any club. He wasn't the type. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >a more critical public might require entertainment that >requires more thought to produce, he is one of the owners. Not if he wasn't a big-time player in the stock market or become a political activist or "leader" <cough-cough>, since these "things" that look human, but act like our masters that we elect every few years, are not real leaders any longer. They are power-mad control freaks with a mind to do whatever they wish, now that 9/11 occured. No, they are nothing but cowardly sheepherders, watching their stock grow fat and dumb and getting ready for the slaughter, in a large part by passing unconstitutional laws and having the paid-for-whores in the supreme court rule them as such. If we had any sense we would revolt and start from scratch, but that entails a certain danger to liberty as well, considering the education level of the average American stooge, who think they are "free". > >> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJnaxsLBl94 > [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > entails a certain danger to liberty as well, considering the education > level of the average American stooge, who think they are "free". "It's a big f.cking club and you ain't in it... the table is tilted folks," Not with the power of the medium by which you are reading this right now. "they don't care about you at all, at all, at all" Right, you have to actually "give a f***" yourself and work toward your own goals and aspirations to actually get what YOU want (which no one- politcal or coporate- can dictate to you unless you let them). "Willful ignorance" Yes there's a lot out there and I see it everyday and I know many people who reject their own potential willful ignorance by surrounding themselves with intelligent, knowledgeable, people and finding out the answers to the questions by willfully seeking those answers. Just because this comedian is preaching his own concept of the world doesn't mean you and your friends (collectively, ugh) have to buy into it. Think for yourself or die in his version, that's your choice. > > If we had any sense we would revolt and start from scratch, but that > > entails a certain danger to liberty as well, considering the education > > level of the average American stooge, who think they are "free". > "It's a big f.cking club and you ain't in it... the table is tilted > folks," > Not with the power of the medium by which you are reading this right > now. DeTocqueville was closer to the truth: As long as you have freedom of speech you cannot be _entirely_ enslaved. > "they don't care about you at all, at all, at all" > Right, you have to actually "give a f***" yourself and work toward > your own goals and aspirations to actually get what YOU want (which no > one- politcal or coporate- can dictate to you unless you let them). You can do a lot by yourself but there's a lot you cannot do without collective action. That's why they deceptively hype "rugged individualism." The goal is to undermine the First Amendment right to associate and petition gummint in order to preclude political participation by those "not in the club." At the same time the corp. media undermine the First Freedom by politically hyping private matters like religion and sex. And everyone knows the corp. media shills will do anything to hype free speech _only_ for naked nazi flag burner parade issues. Of the 4 clauses in the Great Charter of American Freedom there isn't one that they are frantically trying to revise by gush hype. The _NY Times_ has a lot of "liberals" believing Pat Robertson came over on the Mayflower. That's a Big Lie. The fundy despotism is something new to America. Presidential candidates being interviewed by religious leaders was unthinkable in Revolutionary America, or even as late as the 1970s. > "Willful ignorance" > Yes there's a lot out there and I see it everyday and I know many > people who reject their own potential willful ignorance by surrounding > themselves with intelligent, knowledgeable, people and finding out the > answers to the questions by willfully seeking those answers. Less than a dozen political / economic classics would be much better. The most intelligent commentary in modern America is ignorant compared to _Democracy In America_. > Just because this comedian is preaching his own concept of the world > doesn't mean you and your friends (collectively, ugh) have to buy into > it. Think for yourself or die in his version, that's your choice. Carlin and Scott Adams are not by themselves modern Thomas Paines. Paine did more than ridicule or mock the "private sector" government [George III] of his day. Paine offered a solution. Bret Cahill Why is it, KKKahill, that you cannot figger out how to preserve the attributions of previous posters? I know you came from AOL, but it can't be _that_ difficult to figger out. > > > If we had any sense we would revolt and start from scratch, but that > > > entails a certain danger to liberty as well, considering the education [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > As long as you have freedom of speech you cannot be _entirely_ > enslaved. Because you are at least free to bitch and moan. > > "they don't care about you at all, at all, at all" > > Right, you have to actually "give a f***" yourself and work toward [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > You can do a lot by yourself but there's a lot you cannot do without > collective action. Here it comes. > That's why they deceptively hype "rugged individualism." The goal is > to undermine the First Amendment right to associate and petition > gummint in order to preclude political participation by those "not in > the club." That's more absurdity from he who hypes "collectivist action." > At the same time the corp. media undermine the First > Freedom by politically hyping private matters like religion and sex. Actually, a part of the First Freedom _is_ that religion is free. If you don't have the freedom to talk about religion, you don't have free speech. Your attempt to preclude matters like religion and sex from public speech indicate that it is you who wants to undermine freedome of speech. The taboo subjects (because they are private matters.) > And everyone knows the corp. media shills will do anything to hype > free speech _only_ for naked nazi flag burner parade issues. The corp media conspiracy has nothing to do with it. The ACLU is the corp media conspiracy? Anyway, the reason nazi flag burners parades are the focus is that they are the targets of censorship. Nobody bothers trying to censor Georgists. Hey, nobody even bothers trying to get them the medication they desperately need. > Of the 4 clauses in the Great Charter of American Freedom there isn't > one that they are frantically trying to revise by gush hype. Thank allah they don't want to revise any clauses. > The _NY Times_ has a lot of "liberals" believing Pat Robertson came > over on the Mayflower. > > That's a Big Lie. Well, somebody was conducting witch trials in Salem. I guess it was those Massachusettes librul same-sex marriage types. > The fundy despotism is something new to America. Presidential > candidates being interviewed by religious leaders was unthinkable in > Revolutionary America, or even as late as the 1970s. Interestingly, among Huey Long's closest associates was Father Coughlin, the pro-Nazi priest. > > "Willful ignorance" > > Yes there's a lot out there and I see it everyday and I know many [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > The most intelligent commentary in modern America is ignorant compared > to _Democracy In America_. Heh, exposure to any text isn't going to help you, KKKahill. You have to be able to unnerstand them for that to help. As the joke goes, you can bring a horticulture but you can't make her think. > > Just because this comedian is preaching his own concept of the world > > doesn't mean you and your friends (collectively, ugh) have to buy into [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Paine did more than ridicule or mock the "private sector" government > [George III] of his day. Here we see just how bad the Orwellian newthink has hit you. The revolutionaries back then, anyway, were the capitalist private sector fighting for the right of land owners* to vote on how much they would be taxed. Everybody knows that. *Only landowners could vote in the original United Snakes. How un-Georgian of them. > Paine offered a solution. Yeah, and part of it was a gun in every household. >> >> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJnaxsLBl94 >> [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] >your own goals and aspirations to actually get what YOU want (which no >one- politcal or coporate- can dictate to you unless you let them). Oh really? How does that work? In your world maybe, but methinks you live in a very different reality then my own. >"Willful ignorance" >Yes there's a lot out there and I see it everyday and I know many [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >doesn't mean you and your friends (collectively, ugh) have to buy into >it. Think for yourself or die in his version, that's your choice. His version is MY version so it isn't a choice, its the truth as I see it and Carlin did too. > >> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJnaxsLBl94 > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Following politics is a hobby of mine, not a passion, for I know that > in America at least its all about profit and greed. In all places, as in America, politics is about power and force. As Max Weber defined it, a political organization is one which enforces its decisions by the threat of force. It is necessarily the case, then, that politics is about force and power. Profit is an inevitable consequence of power and force > For many its almost like professional sports with two teams playing > against each other in a game of war, when in fact the two teams are in > bed with each other. For references, see KKKahill's post, who does treat the Democrats as his team, and who actually doesn't care about any principles whatsoever. Also, it seems that in Carlin's video he is pushing a partisan Democratic agenda. > Most people just don't understand that and many other truths and > George Carlin shoved it down their throats in a way that was > palatable, not offensive, to them. Carlin is be demagogic. Pandering. Tickling the ears. Etc. It is inevitably the case that someone who does that is trying to sell something unpalatable. > >> I don't see Carlin as being part of any club. He wasn't the type. > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > years, are not real leaders any longer. They are power-mad control > freaks with a mind to do whatever they wish, now that 9/11 occured. Actually, a real leader would be a power-mad control freak. Nietzsche points out the hypocrisy of modernity, wherein leaders try to pass themselves off as "servants of the people." Slave morality means being a leader is automatically evil. > No, they are nothing but cowardly sheepherders, watching their stock > grow fat and dumb and getting ready for the slaughter, in a large part > by passing unconstitutional laws and having the paid-for-whores in the > supreme court rule them as such. Have you been following the recent rulings of the Supreme Court against the W administration? > If we had any sense we would revolt and start from scratch, but that > entails a certain danger to liberty as well, considering the education > level of the average American stooge, who think they are "free". One thing that Americans are more free than they ever have been is in the arena of speech. They may have been whittling away at our 4th Amendment protections over the last few decades, but the 1st reigns supreme. That's the way of evolution. You win some, you lose some. > > >When a wealthy famous celebrity pretends he's not a part > > >of "the club," (i.e. the owners of America), all you can do > > >is laugh. �It's an ironic version of the liar's paradox. �Those > > >rich wealthy bastards don't care about you, says the rich > > >wealth bastard. �Yeah, and he does. > > Did he inherit his wealth like most of the rich have done or did he > > make it on his own? > What difference would it make? � Georgists make a distinction between living off the product of human labor and living off of ownership of geo resources. > Many of the wealthy > bastards who are selected to be the choices for the > electorate, about whom he was talking when he > claimed "they don't care about you," made their own > money as well. Some by selling cigs. > > I don't see Carlin as being part of any club. He wasn't the type. > I don't see it as a literal club, anyway. �I see it as a > projection. DeTocqueville wrote that the rich in a democracy had no club. Of course, democracy ain't gonna happen in a country where some are so ignorant they think a gun is an individualist "pocket veto." > Anyway, he was talking about the "owners." � Georgists talk about _land_ owners. > As a rich > wealthy player in the Entertainment Industry, which has > the greatest interest in dumbing down the public, since > a more critical public might require entertainment that > requires more thought to produce, he is one of the owners. The owners wouldn't want it to slip out that Republicans only want you to work for free. Not even as a joke. Bret Cahill > > > >When a wealthy famous celebrity pretends he's not a part > > > >of "the club," (i.e. the owners of America), all you can do [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Georgists make a distinction between living off the product of human > labor and living off of ownership of geo resources. Yeah, yeah. We know. Heard it all before. It's a mantra, after all. It gets repeated. > > Many of the wealthy > > bastards who are selected to be the choices for the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Some by selling cigs. And some by selling liquor. You point is? Fortunately, Americans saw the folly of the religious left's Prohibition back in the thirties. Let's hope the religous left never makes a comeback, because as bad as the religous right may be, the religious left is worse. They are just as purtianical, and they also want to suck your wallet dry. > > > I don't see Carlin as being part of any club. He wasn't the type. > > I don't see it as a literal club, anyway. I see it as a [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Of course, democracy ain't gonna happen in a country where some are so > ignorant they think a gun is an individualist "pocket veto." We have people who do believe in ignorant things: 9-11 was an inside job, tax cut recessions, W's admin will be tried as war criminals, UFOs, Creation science, Jimmy Carter high-tax economic booms, levelling wealth, gun control reduces crime, and marijuana is worse than alcohol, and somehow democracy survives. Hey, back in FDR's day, there were even more creationists than there are now. > > Anyway, he was talking about the "owners." > > Georgists talk about _land_ owners. Georgists are all about _talk_. If all you do is write position papers about Georgisdopia, though, where's that git you? When the Georgists git pushed too far, do they drink purple Kool-Aid in the Jimmy Carter stagflation jungle? > > As a rich > > wealthy player in the Entertainment Industry, which has [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Not even as a joke. Yes, that's why the black helicopters are on their way to your compound, right now, with their tinfoil-piercing microwave beam weapons. > > > >When a wealthy famous celebrity pretends he's not a part > > > >of "the club," (i.e. the owners of America), all you can do > > > >is laugh. It's an ironic version of the liar's paradox. Those > > > >rich wealthy bastards don't care about you, says the rich > > > >wealth bastard. Yeah, and he does. > > > Did he inherit his wealth like most of the rich have done or did he > > > make it on his own? > > What difference would it make? > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Some by selling cigs. Which are things people want, that's how you're _supposed_ to make money. > > > I don't see Carlin as being part of any club. He wasn't the type. > > I don't see it as a literal club, anyway. I see it as a [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Of course, democracy ain't gonna happen in a country where some are so > ignorant they think a gun is an individualist "pocket veto." Which it is. Of course you're so ignorant you can't name a single time when gun control has worked. Of course neither can I. > > Anyway, he was talking about the "owners." > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > a more critical public might require entertainment that > > requires more thought to produce, he is one of the owners. Actually no because Carlin made entertainment that required some critical thinking and thus it was not in his interest to dumb down anyone. Your prejudice is showing. > The owners wouldn't want it to slip out that Republicans only want you > to work for free. Wow that's a stupid thing to say. > Not even as a joke. > > Bret Cahill > Actually no because Carlin made entertainment that required some > critical thinking and thus it was not in his interest to dumb down > anyone. Your prejudice is showing. Check out the video posted at the beginning of this thread, and tell me how critical and thoughtful you think it is. I love the part where he says THEY are coming for your Social Security money, when the only THEY that is coming for your Social Security money is US. We have seen the enemy and he is us. An exponentially growing elderly demographic means in a few decades SocSec will grow to many times the current GDP. If Allah is kind, our GDP will grow faster than that. If not, SocSec will become an even larger portion of our GDP. Everyone who isn't innumerate knows SocSec is headed for trouble. It's just Malthus all over again. So much for the ponzi scheme when population growth slows down. On Aug 25, 2:46 am, Shrikeb...@gmail.com wrote: > > Actually no because Carlin made entertainment that required some > > critical thinking and thus it was not in his interest to dumb down [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > So much for the ponzi scheme when population > growth slows down. We tax the rich or we die. It's a simple choice. > On Aug 25, 2:46 am, Shrikeb...@gmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > We tax the rich or we die. It's a simple choice. We already tax the rich. If we tax enough to inhibit growth, the problem gets even worse, because the old as a percentage of the population will continue to grow. On the bright side, the old will create more demand for labor, at the same time that there is a concomitant decrease in the supply of labor. If we don't automate more, the labor shortage could become horrendous. At least labor, especially in the health industry will increase in value. > On Aug 25, 2:46 am, Shrikeb...@gmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > We tax the rich or we die. It's a simple choice. The rich already pay most of the taxes. The choice is simple, we stop letting government run our lives or die. > > On Aug 25, 2:46 am, Shrikeb...@gmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > The rich already pay most of the taxes. The choice is simple, we > stop letting government run our lives or die.- Hide quoted text - Many already have. That's where's the Cruise Missiles, Stealth radar, biodiesel, neo Wind Energy, Post AT&T Solar Energy, WWW, and Robots came from for the idiot rich. > - Show quoted text - On Aug 25, 5:46 pm, Shrikeb...@gmail.com wrote: > > Actually no because Carlin made entertainment that required some > > critical thinking and thus it was not in his interest to dumb down [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > only THEY that is coming for your Social Security > money is US. Well that's not really true. The so called "privatisation" of Social Security would have funneled billions of dollars towards politically favoured Wall Street firms many of whom are now obviously bankrupt. Sure it's nowhere near as big a problem as SS simply being inadequate and inefficient but still his description of it as "they're coming for your SS money" is substantially correct. > We have seen the enemy and he > is us. An exponentially growing elderly demographic [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Everyone who isn't innumerate knows SocSec is > headed for trouble. It's just Malthus all over again. No Malthus was complete inaccurate and wrong. > So much for the ponzi scheme when population > growth slows down. On Aug 22, 3:52 am, Shrikeb...@gmail.com wrote: > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJnaxsLBl94 > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > rich wealthy bastards don't care about you, says the rich > wealth bastard. Yeah, and he does. So even when someone wealthy does something that is actually designed to wake up the masses somehow that proves they don't care? Your prejudice is amazing. > One of the biggest and wealthiest busines interests in > America is the entertainment industry, of which Carlin [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > because there's a Seeker born every minute." > -Firesign Theatre, "Everything You Know Is Wrong" > On Aug 22, 3:52 am, Shrikeb...@gmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > is actually designed to wake up the masses somehow that > proves they don't care? Your prejudice is amazing. No, what proves he doesn't care is that this particular rant of Carlin's is designed to pander, indicating the usual patronizing attitude of the limosine liberal. It is implicit in this particular piece of Carlin's that the people really are stupid, and you should talk to them that way, with goofy conspiranoia about the wealthy cabal who want to steal their SocSec. Did you even watch the video? If so, did you turn off your hero-worship 3D goggles, and just hear the words on their merits? On Aug 26, 5:05 am, Shrikeb...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Aug 22, 3:52 am, Shrikeb...@gmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > piece of Carlin's that the people really are > stupid, and you should talk to them that way, The people reelected GWB, I think the debate about whether they are stupid or not is pretty much over. Think back over say that past five years, was there any time when a politician made a statement that you'd have to be profoundly ignorant to believe and the general public caught them on it? Fundamentally you can't get elected in most democracies (and certainly not in the United States) without proclaiming policies that appeal to the stupid voter. > with goofy conspiranoia about the wealthy > cabal who want to steal their SocSec What's goofy about it? I mean when someone as virulently opposed to the free market suggests privatizing something it's not paranoid to suspect he's doing it to benefit wealthy friends. > Did you even watch the video? If so, did you > turn off your hero-worship 3D goggles, and just > hear the words on their merits? > On Aug 26, 5:05 am, Shrikeb...@gmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > The people reelected GWB, I think the debate about whether > they are stupid or not is pretty much over. Not when you consider what the alternatives were. Lesser of two evils; the choice is always between a turd sandwich and a giant douche. > Think back over say > that past five years, was there any time when a politician made > a statement that you'd have to be profoundly ignorant to believe > and the general public caught them on it? For the most part, the public ignores politics. It is only the more fanatical policy nerds who pay attention to it, usually from an ideological perspective, through which they tend to filter all of reality in any case. > Fundamentally you > can't get elected in most democracies (and certainly not in the > United States) without proclaiming policies that appeal to the > stupid voter. Those things we consider the stupidest are generally driven by ideology rather than intelligence. Note that Heidegger was a member of the Nazi party and Sartre was a Stalinist. Well educated, "Real" philosophers, both of them, > > with goofy conspiranoia about the wealthy > > cabal who want to steal their SocSec > > What's goofy about it? I mean when someone as > virulently opposed to the free market Ah well, it depends on what your definition of "free market" is. > suggests privatizing > something it's not paranoid to suspect he's doing it to > benefit wealthy friends. If there had been a more radical movement instead to do a real privatization of SocSec, such that you could take the money and invest it how you yourself saw fit, how much do you want to bet that Carlin would have seen this as THEM coming for your SocSec as well? On Aug 21, 1:52 pm, Shrikeb...@gmail.com wrote: > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJnaxsLBl94 > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > rich wealthy bastards don't care about you, says the rich > wealth bastard. Yeah, and he does. Well, but Carlin is like a lot of American Celebrities. And never seemed to catch on that A.I., Digital, lasers, masers, holograms, MP3, CD, DVD+rw, PV Cells, Fiber Optics, HDTV, Ebooks, Btoadband, Blogs, WWW, On-line Publishing, GPS, and USB were invented, mostly because the only thing American Celebrities know less about than Critical Thinking is Critical Thinking. > One of the biggest and wealthiest busines interests in > America is the entertainment industry, of which Carlin [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > because there's a Seeker born every minute." > -Firesign Theatre, "Everything You Know Is Wrong" > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJnaxsLBl94 Nice, but there are schools that still work in the Arkansas Ozarks. But if you dont want the paddle that hangs in the office to be used on your kid, you havta fill out a form. No bully would let a parent wimp him out like that. But after being hauled to the office a few times, they have attitudes adjusted, and the schools are orderly. This with teachers who get the second lowest pay in the nation. When people started clammmoring for testing, then gov. Clinton agreed, and started testing... the teachers. The friends and kin of school board members were dismissed and had to go to work for a living. Get out an Atlas, and look up the small hill towns like Alma, Bentonville, Clinton, Deer, Eureka Springs,... and so on thru the alphabet. http://normessasweb.uark.edu/schoolperformance/School/School.php?Sch=B&Submit=Co ntinue has the test scores. Dropout rates in the single digits. Graduation rates above 90%, attendance rates near 95%. Classes that routinely score 1/2 to 1.5 years ahead of grade level. Part of it is that these are small family farm kids. When they get home they dont get a TV remote in the hand, but a pitchfork. They have chores to do, and we know exercise sharpens the mind. There is no fast food out here. There are family gardens. The kids dont get raised on sugar cereals, junkfood, and soda. Synergy sets in. Teachers that like to teach like kids paying attention. Teachers that are competent like working with other competent teachers and accept lower pay to enjoy that. Smart parents see where the schools work, and move here for the sake of their kids. This means a smarter workforce despite the reputation of stupid hillbillies. Transnationals have moved into these towns, and now manufacturing jobs have INCREASED. > Nice, but there are schools that still work in the Arkansas Ozarks. I have no idea who was the speaker but I overheard a "no kid left behind" test evaluator working on the Arkansas kids' tests. The liberaloon Democrat Ivy League graduate -- that much is certain -- was impressed with the kids' responses. The ritin' was on huntin' 'n fishin' but was really _good_. My conclusion? American decadence has yet to reach Arkansas. Bret Cahill >> Nice, but there are schools that still work in the Arkansas Ozarks. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >My conclusion? American decadence has yet to reach Arkansas. Bingo! > On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 20:40:11 -0700 (PDT), Bret Cahill > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Bingo! Give me a break. Literacy used to be far worse than it is today. Arkansas used to be rated number 49th in literacy (just above Kentucky, I'm guessing.) Hitlery didn't improve that rating at all. Huckabee claims he has. But maybe that just means they can recite the seven days of creation in order now. >> On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 20:40:11 -0700 (PDT), Bret Cahill >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > that just means they can recite the seven days of creation > in order now. The devil is in the details. The Delta is a f.cking mess. Total basket case, with drug lords running even small towns. The Arkansas Ozarks, however, are 99% white. The schools there still work, and were it a state, would have the highest rating in the country. No hurricanes, no forest fires, no earthquakes, no tornados, no floods. No racial violence with no minorities. The drunks and meth heads moved their girlfriends to the cities where the welfare benefits are better. They have been replaced with X-military and civil service, boomers in early retirement who are setting up hobby farms. Everyone wants the good hunting and fishing to continue, so we all care about the environment. > Shrikeb...@gmail.com wrote: > >> On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 20:40:11 -0700 (PDT), Bret Cahill [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > early retirement who are setting up hobby farms. Everyone wants the good > hunting and fishing to continue, so we all care about the environment. Okay. Well, an oasis among the mess. In some respects. > Okay. Well, an oasis among the mess. In some respects. And we worry about mobs showing up if the proverbial SHTF. We mite survive anyway, but it'll be messy. > Shrikeb...@gmail.com wrote: > > Okay. Well, an oasis among the mess. In some respects. > > And we worry about mobs showing up if the proverbial SHTF. We mite > survive anyway, but it'll be messy. I never worry much about anarchy breaking out. There are far too many more likely and more painful things to worry about: colon cancer, stroke, or unjust imprisonment in one of America's many institutions of forcible sodomy. > I never worry much about anarchy breaking out. After all, you got stoppin' power! If you "git pushed too far" you just let 'em have it! You hiss "out of my cold dead hands" just like that Hollywood actor. > > I never worry much about anarchy breaking out. > > After all, you got stoppin' power! Well that much is true. Ask around. > If you "git pushed too far" you just let 'em have it! Some times the catcher, sometimes the pitcher. Tit for tat. Quid pro quo. > You hiss "out of my cold dead hands" just like that Hollywood actor. It's not my habit to hiss much of anything at moments like that, unless it involves some sort of profanity. >> Nice, but there are schools that still work in the Arkansas Ozarks. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > The ritin' was on huntin' 'n fishin' but was really _good_. No sh.t. The world record Brown Trout (52 pound) was pulled out of the Little Red just 15 miles from me. The global power elite comes here to do fly fishing, and so the army corps of engineers assiduously protects the watersheds. You can not only swim in the creeks, you can drink it. > My conclusion? American decadence has yet to reach Arkansas. Dont think it ever will either. They've always been contrary. These Ozark counties- run by hillbillies that didnt have slaves, didnt see any sense in fighting for the landed aristocracy in the delta, so during the civil war, they seceded from the Confederate government in Little Rock. They still have midwives, and now that women are picking up on all the diseases babies get in hospitals, the midwives are busy. The 3rd district has always voted Republican, but not Neocons. Church is the place for religion, not the voting booth. Even when Huckabee got elected, he acted like a fiscal conservative, not a fundy. Neither he, nor anyone else, tried to hassle with abortion, prayer in schools, flag burning or all that other BS. After Huck left office the state had a $919,000,000... SURPLUS. Beebee, the new Democratic gov, dont sound like a liberaloon. He didnt spend the money on entitlements, but paid off the rest of the state debt, funded road improvements (to repair the damage from the natural gas drilling rigs and tankers), and took over the funding of the National Guard. He says, that from now on, that equipment wont leave the state without his permission. Ergo, they are not going to Iraq any more. He's created a de facto private army to protect the state. And also began vigorous export of illegals. > > Nice, but there are schools that still work in the Arkansas Ozarks. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > The ritin' was on huntin' 'n fishin' but was really _good_. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15080274 "Easy as ABC? Low literacy rates in Arkansas are causing problems with health care." In every article about the subject of Arkansas schools, Arkansas has been placed at 49th in quality of public education for a good long time. And remaining there even after Hitlery's efforts. Mike Huckabee claims things have improved in the last decade, but he's a creationist, so we can all have our doubts. <http://runner.convio.net/site/PageServer? pagename=Meet_Mike_Huckabee_Education> "For decades, Arkansas' education system was ranked among the worst in the nation. During the past decade, however, Arkansas has arisen from the bottom to provide its children an education that is competitive with many other states. Test scores are on the rise, and Arkansas students now have more educational opportunities than ever. How'd we turn things around? Better preparation, more challenging standards, and goals that were not only set, but met." Mike Huckabee For years, Arkansas maintained a low public education rank among states, often cited as 49th or even dead last in some cases, an embarrassing record of performance to be sure. Today though, Arkansas is recognized nationally for reaching a point where students perform well above the national average in a number of categories. Without dispute, Arkansans can point to an educational system not only improving, but performing as a stable and thriving one as well. > My conclusion? American decadence has yet to reach Arkansas. The sane conclusion? Day lives in a parallel universe just as much as you do. But then, we know Day is a 9-11 troother, so that pretty much goes without saying. >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJnaxsLBl94 >Nice, but there are schools that still work in the Arkansas Ozarks. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >There is no fast food out here. There are family gardens. The kids dont >get raised on sugar cereals, junkfood, and soda. Assuming that everything you posted here is correct, it doesn't particularly matter very much. Arkansas is a very small portion of this nation and *MAY* represent a portion of the population that existed when this nation was founded. That being people who own and work their own land and don't work a 9-5 job or some other odd hours for an employer or corporation, like most people have since the last century. Most schools in this nation are nothing more then someplace to send the children to warehouse them for 8 hours a day or more, and to indoctrinate them with politically correct values and an HS diploma. IMO, they do not encourage critical thinking; just a follow-the-herd mentality that leads to the tyranny, injustice and violence that we see today. > Most schools in this nation are nothing more then someplace to send > the children to warehouse them for 8 hours a day or more, and to > indoctrinate them with politically correct values and an HS diploma. Public school students need a Bill of Rights: They must _always_ be either entertained or given educational material. Give each kid a stop watch. NO MORE IDLENESS TORTURE TIME. > IMO, they do not encourage critical thinking; That is the biggest problem facing America, the source of most other problems. Texas tossed a book clearly stating their opposition to critical thinking. > just a follow-the-herd > mentality They do that because it's easy, at least if you don't look at the big picture. Actually the trouble makers are often the most creative students. > that leads to the tyranny, injustice and violence that we > see today. BINGO! Bret Cahill > Assuming that everything you posted here is correct, it doesn't > particularly matter very much. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > 9-5 job or some other odd hours for an employer or corporation, like > most people have since the last century. Its not even the state, but only the Ozark portion. The delta is a f.cking mess. So is Little Rock. But besides farming and moonshine, a man can make a living cutting firewood with just a truck and chainsaw, and do it in the National Forest, which has signs up asking them to come in to cut out the diseased trees. That reduces the fuel should a fire get going. There's also rock work, and many entrepreneurs offering dirt work and construction to all the flatlanders moving in. There is no state building code, so anyone with good ideas can build and/or sell houses if they look good. No inspectors to pay off. There is no motor vehicle inspection either, so if you can make it run, it'll sell. > Most schools in this nation are nothing more then someplace to send > the children to warehouse them for 8 hours a day or more, and to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > mentality that leads to the tyranny, injustice and violence that we > see today. Agreed. But if you can think for yourself, you can make a living here. Those that want to do that have been moving in. There are other such obscure areas in other states where people get on without hassle. > But besides farming and moonshine, a > man can make a living cutting firewood with just a truck and chainsaw, > and do it in the National Forest, which has signs up asking them to come > in to cut out the diseased trees. That reduces the fuel should a fire > get going. A healthy forest is about 30 - 50% dead wood and needs to be burned every now and then anyway, i. e., Big Thicket in deep E Texas. Taking out the "fuel" screws up the balance. Mexico has the exact same "fuel" situation as California yet the Mexicans never have any problems because they don't build houses in fuel. How dumb do you have to be to build a house in fuel? Dumb as a stick? Bret Cahill >> But besides farming and moonshine, a >> man can make a living cutting firewood with just a truck and chainsaw, [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Dumb as a stick? No one ever said the Socals were all that bright. Just look at all the hollywood idiots who are always screwing up something or another. >> But besides farming and moonshine, a >> man can make a living cutting firewood with just a truck and chainsaw, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Taking out the "fuel" screws up the balance. But its not a healthy forest. Black Oak death is epidemic. There has been a fungus killing the Dogwood. There is also the pine bark beetle killing the larger pines. The Forest service does set fires to clear the brush, but the disease problems are worse in some areas, and they want that fuel taken out beforehand. >> Assuming that everything you posted here is correct, it doesn't >> particularly matter very much. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >Those that want to do that have been moving in. There are other such >obscure areas in other states where people get on without hassle. Its is starting to sound very enticing to me, I must say. I live in a state that is heavily regulated and controlled and I will not stay here much longer. > Its is starting to sound very enticing to me, I must say. > > I live in a state that is heavily regulated and controlled and > I will not stay here much longer. Yeah, I did post grad work in New York, and could hardly wait to get out of there. Other professions are moving in as well; there's a strip city that sprung up along I-540 from Fayetteville to the MO border. The U of AR has apparently developed a reputation in high tech, and now the region has a net IMMIGRATION from Silicon Valley, RTP, Texas, and other, now less trendy, places. The incomes are lower, more in line what is being made in Bangalore, but the cost of living is a lot lower. Real Estate prices never shot up like they did in those other areas. There are lotsa malls, educational institutions, and nite life (Fayetteville is a college town), but there's no urban core. No urban traffic jams. Same broadband, UPS, Fed-X, with lower utility rates (Ozark Hydro power). Once you get off I-540, its steep twisty 2 lane blacktop like they use in new car ads, with mostly forest, some cow pastures, and gravel driveways to homes tucked back in the woods away from traffic noise. If you drive fast, you are more likely to hit a deer than another car. Engineers like the hunting and fishing. Everyone has a bass boat. >> Its is starting to sound very enticing to me, I must say. >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >region has a net IMMIGRATION from Silicon Valley, RTP, Texas, and other, >now less trendy, places. Yeap. New York and California seem to pass the same laws, like they copy each others' state houses. Silicon Valley is a goner. Has been since the dot. com bubble burst back in 2000. >The incomes are lower, more in line what is being made in Bangalore, but >the cost of living is a lot lower. Real Estate prices never shot up like >they did in those other areas. There are lotsa malls, educational >institutions, and nite life (Fayetteville is a college town), but >there's no urban core. No urban traffic jams. Same broadband, UPS, >Fed-X, with lower utility rates (Ozark Hydro power). Problem is lack of decent blue collar jobs, would be my guess. Doesn't look like Fayetteville is near any medium or major distribution hubs, from what I can see looking at its description on the "internets." >Once you get off I-540, its steep twisty 2 lane blacktop like they use >in new car ads, with mostly forest, some cow pastures, and gravel >driveways to homes tucked back in the woods away from traffic noise. If >you drive fast, you are more likely to hit a deer than another car. Same in mountainous country in California, only our drivers are some of the worst in the nation. They seem to hit just about everything. Anyone can get a drivers license here, about as quick as it takes to get from the boat and down to the DMV offfice. They print the laws and tests in about 6 different languages, if I recall correctly. Then we have all the border jumpers, who don't seem to need a driver's license or insurance to drive here, for some reason. >Engineers like the hunting and fishing. Everyone has a bass boat. That part sure sounds nice. That town sounds like it would be nice to retire to, unless one already has a job or some sort of work lined up, beforehand. >> Engineers like the hunting and fishing. Everyone has a bass boat. > That part sure sounds nice. > > That town sounds like it would be nice to retire to, unless one > already has a job or some sort of work lined up, beforehand. There's a kind of libertarian synergy going on. The engineers and professionals moving into the I-540 corridor create, on average, 5 more jobs- secretary, shipping clerks, janitors, etc. Then too, collectively they interact and new startups result. Sorta like Silicon Valley, but not limited to software. You can put up a commercial building damn near anywhere, and the guys from the electric, gas, water, phone, and internet will come out and hook you up, no questions asked, and no code inspectors. Transnationals have figured this out also, and so many have built new plants in the small towns in and around the Arkansas Ozarks that there has been a net increase in blue collar manufacturing jobs. Just dont pollute the watersheds; the fishermen will blow the whistle on your a.s to the army corps of engineers over nite. Every watershed has a green zone which is also good for hunting you dont wanna dump any sh.t in. That same green zone is where the professionals like to build homes. So, there isnt any top down regulation, but a bottom up system where the neighbors keep an eye on what's going on that mite affect their property values, hunting, and fishing. Fayetteville, pop 50k, is the college town with the nitelife, world class med center, and libraries; the interstate has the malls and the industrial zone, and the flat land between these various zones is still pretty much in grass fed beef. Its a system that would work in a lotta other regions, but they already have the inspection/regulation infrastructure which has a hold on the political process. > Silicon Valley is a goner. Has been since the dot. com bubble burst > back in 2000. In the past year a single bedroom apt in San Jose went from $1000/mo to $2,000/ mo. Someone there is making money somehow. Bret Cahill |
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