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History Forum / General / General Topics / July 2004Mighty Ernst Zundel threatens Canada
Like a menacing black thunder cloud, the terrible Ernst Zundel has all of Canada closing shutters and bolting doors. The 64-year-old German threatens to bring down the Canadian government, destroy the Canadian economy, create chaos and anarchy, and rob the Canadians of their precious freedom. Ernst is a threat to Canada's national security; the Canadian government has certified it to be so. So the Canadian powers-that-be have taken the necessary steps to protect the Canadian citizens from the imminent threat: they keep Zundel locked up and under constant guard. To the Canadians, Zundel is the true-to-life Hannibal Lecter, but with national powers. Zundel must be kept in a cage and under guard, lest he break out and loose his terrible powers on the hapless Canadians. What he do if free? What would the great and powerful Ernst Zundel do if he were released to run free in Canada? Why, he would deny the Holocaust, that's what. > Like a menacing black thunder cloud, the terrible Ernst Zundel has all > of Canada closing shutters and bolting doors. The 64-year-old German [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > do if he were released to run free in Canada? Why, he would deny the > Holocaust, that's what. You forgot to mention his support for domestic and international extremist groups that advocate violence in furtherence of their political agendas. Gee, I wonder why. His ties to European extremists... who do you suppose funded trips to Moscow for Canadian racial supremacists, Ross? Santa Claus? The fact of the matter - which you ALSO failed to mention - is that Mr. Zundel put himself in jail by filing a bogus "refugee" claim instead of resuming his legal status as a Landed Immigrant. All he has to do to get out of jail is drop the refugee claim. Why doesn't he do that? Zundel's pimp recently posted an article that claimed that a "Lower German Court Says Its OK To Question Holocaust," Message-ID: <3f7fbc9b$0$16179$2c56edd9@news.cablerocket.com> http://groups.google.ca/groups?selm=3f7fbc9b%240%2416179%242c56edd9%40news.cable rocket.com&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain If that's true, then how can Zundel claim he's afraid of being "persecuted" in his native Germany? > You forgot to mention his support for domestic and international extremist > groups that advocate violence in furtherence of their political agendas. > Gee, I wonder why. Your full of sh.t Kenny, you idiots see Nazi's under every rock, and so does your phooey Liberal government, in thinking the terrorist act is going to save their pathetic a.ses. I hate to burst your bubble diamond man, but there is a uprising taking place in Canada right now, and your Nazi Liberal Government is going to have more sh.t in their faces then they can handle, your bullshit is not fooling anyone....You think Ken living in Nanaimo hiding behind your website paid by the Jews is the all mighty protector, your propaganda is just as bad as Zundel's...Your just as bad as a socialist pimp...for the jews propaganda. > His ties to European extremists... who do you suppose funded trips to > Moscow for Canadian racial supremacists, Ross? Santa Claus? Here is more of that great socialist propaganda, you clowns try to spout, by using false claims and fear factoring, what idiots you people are, and no one is bying your crap. Oh and Kenny Fathers Rights groups are on the rise something you pimps for the government should be worryed about, as it will turn violent sooner or later. . RCMP warns of militancy by 'right-wing anarchists' Western provinces: Anti-government groups on the rise Jim Bronskill Southam News, with files from Chris Cobb, Ottawa Citizen OTTAWA - The RCMP is worried about the rise of "several extreme anti-government groups" in Western Canada -- inspired by U.S. radicals such as the Freemen -- that dispute the state's authority to levy taxes and license drivers and the removal of children off fathers.. An RCMP intelligence brief warns that "increasing militancy" by groups that oppose taxes and fathers rights groups are on the rise. Government measures has led to a pattern of criminal harassment of police officers, judges and bureaucrats. The Mounties note similar activities by U.S. extremists have sometimes escalated to serious violence, including the murder of police and Government officals. In the next federal budget, the government announced proposals that would allow tax collectors and auditors and police to moniter and arrest fathers rights groups who feel they are harassing the Government and for officals to report the names of tormentors to police. The RCMP says radical anti-government activity in the western provinces appears to be influenced by the U.S. Sovereign Citizen movement, individuals who deny the legal authority of government. Sovereign Citizens, also known as Freemen, or the Common Law Court or Party movement, are "essentially right-wing anarchists," says the intelligence brief of the RCMP. These people are well orignised and ready to fight using any measures to counter government. These individuals claim that, by declaring themselves sovereign citizens, they become subject only to common law, not to federal, provincial or state legislation, courts or taxes. Members point to the Magna Carta and old case law, which they insist prove no government can impose legislation on a person without the individual's consent. In 1996, the Montana Freemen threatened to arrest local prosecutors and judges, leading to an 81-day standoff with the FBI at Jordan, Mont. The movement's ideas were initially popularized by the now-defunct Posse Comitatus, formed in Oregon in 1969, which claimed that all government above the county level was illegitimate."There are extreme anti-government groups active in Western Canada, promoting Sovereign Citizen activities based on those of the Freemen and the Posse Comitatus," the RCMP brief says. "Individuals involved in this movement will generally refuse to pay income tax or the GST and will also often refuse to license or insure their motor vehicles or to possess a valid driver's license." Members try to "obstruct any investigation of these actions" by the Canada Customs and Revenue Agency or the police. The brief, prepared in early January, was released under the Access to Information Act, although portions of the secret document were deleted.When members of the Sovereign Citizen movement attend court to face charges they usually bring a number of supporters, refuse to recognize the court's jurisdiction and may try to place police and court officers under citizen's arrest. In one recent incident, a supporter assaulted a police officer and threatened to due what is nessassay to stop them in their tracks. RESPONSE AND COMMENT TO News ARTICLE Regarding your article: "RCMP warns of militancy by 'right-wing anarchists' Western provinces: Anti-government groups on the rise" by Jim Bronskill It's a big scary headline, and it might even help boost some police department budgets - but is it true? No, it isn't. It is true that there is a growing tax revolt, and it is true that peopleare fed up with the style of intrusive government that brands all dissenters as "right wing anarchists" or some other silly description. It is definitely true that people (especially men and fathers) have had a bellyful of government intrusions into their families. However, linking ordinary people with extremist groups and extremist ideas is a tactic that belongs to police states and dictatorships - and it is a dereliction of duty for the RCMP to be making such rash statements. Perhaps if Canadian governments actually did govern with the consent of the governed, we wouldn't have this type of nonsense being spread by government officials and the RCMP. Perhaps some of the people who are opting out of the tax system do have some odd ideas, but that is true in any group of people - including the RCMP, parliament and (apparently) the National Post. Go figure. You can mark me down as one of those who believes that the government has no legitimate authority to tax people, and anyone else who refuses to fund government is a hero - not an anarchist or extremist. > > You forgot to mention his support for domestic and international extremist > > groups that advocate violence in furtherence of their political agendas. > > Gee, I wonder why. > > Your full of sh.t Kenny, No, just aware of the facts. You might try actually looking at them yourself. > you idiots see Nazi's under every rock, Apparently you know nothing about Zundel. Zundel has described himself as a Nazi. http://www.warrenkinsella.com/words_extremism_rz.htm "I have interviewed Zundel more than once, and have even debated him. In one such encounter, he was forthright about who he was. "Are you a National Socialist?" I asked him. He replied that he was. "Nazi is the short form for National Socialist, Mr. Zundel. Is that what you are? A Nazi?" The answer: "Yes." He was not ashamed of it." > and so does > your phooey Liberal government, in thinking the terrorist act is going to > save their pathetic a.ses. > > I hate to burst your bubble diamond man, but there is a uprising taking > place in Canada right now, and your Nazi Liberal Government <snip> You were just saying about seeing Nazis under every rock...? -pk > > > You forgot to mention his support for domestic and international > extremist [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > No, just aware of the facts. You might try actually looking at them > yourself. already have, and both of you are full it it. propaganda is just that propaganda, and both are just pimps of the worst kind, you socialist types are really something. > > you idiots see Nazi's under every rock, > > Apparently you know nothing about Zundel. Zundel has described himself as > a Nazi. And killing innocence Palestinians for the cause of Israel is no different then being a Nazi. I watch Israeli soldiers, rape a mother, shot the father and beat up their children violently and it seemed on tape they enjoyed it, until they learn it was caught on a video tape taken on that issue, which I might say the Israel government was very concerned about it being released, and you have the nerve to talk about others. nice try a.shole, but I neither buy yours or their propaganda, as you're all just like Nazi's and your not fooling anyone, your bloody Hypocrites, even the Canadian government has committed Nazi like terrorism on it's own citizen's. I'm wiling to bet you don't connect the dots either on that. This, Including putting out hitlists on it own citizen's, The Nazi did the same thing, "lists" and the use of rounding people up and you think your cause is any different. It was used knowingly to silence the opposing views This is what they are doing a.. Criticism of any dissenting views in the media b.. creation and dissemination of lists of "undesirables". c.. favorable treatment and generous government funding and plum appointments for supporters. d.. reduce risk of public criticism by accusing dissenters of "hatecrime" e.. creation of government bodies to spy on law-abiding citizens f.. one-sided government reports g.. the use of "big lie" propaganda techniques to mold public opinion against dissenters Piss off with your bullshit Herr Patrick Keenan > http://www.warrenkinsella.com/words_extremism_rz.htm > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > National Socialist, Mr. Zundel. Is that what you are? A Nazi?" The answer: > "Yes." He was not ashamed of it." So what, their are many National socilaists in this NG alone, including in your own federal Liberal government. Who believe it is their duty to act like Nazi's and use force on it own citizen's, including on jew fathers and use their children to advance their cause. You people just can't seem to connect any of this stuff can you..instead you spout the same old bullshit. > > and so does > > your phooey Liberal government, in thinking the terrorist act is going to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > You were just saying about seeing Nazis under every rock...? It what you people claim every day, in this country..propaganda bullshit, to advance your cause. > -pk > > You forgot to mention his support for domestic and international extremist > > groups that advocate violence in furtherence of their political agendas. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > your phooey Liberal government, in thinking the terrorist act is going to > save their pathetic a.ses. It's "you're," not "your." I assume, from your failure to provide rational argument or documentation to the contrary, that you cannot address the issue of Zundel's support for extremist groups. Thanks for making it clear. Now where was my mention of "nazis," Bubba? Can you point it out to me? Can you explain why Zundel himself, during a televised interview, "I'm not a neo-nazi, I'm a nazi"? > I hate to burst your bubble diamond man, but there is a uprising taking > place in Canada right now, and your Nazi Liberal Government is going to have > more sh.t in their faces then they can handle, your bullshit is not fooling > anyone....You think Ken living in Nanaimo hiding behind your website paid by > the Jews is the all mighty protector, your propaganda is just as bad as > Zundel's...Your just as bad as a socialist pimp...for the jews propaganda. Still no evidence, I see. You're not very good at this, are you? > > His ties to European extremists... who do you suppose funded trips to > > Moscow for Canadian racial supremacists, Ross? Santa Claus? > > Here is more of that great socialist propaganda, you clowns try to spout, by > using false claims and fear factoring, what idiots you people are, and no > one is bying your crap. It isn't "my crap," it's information upheld by the Federal Court of Canada and the Minister of Justice. Of course, if you have EVIDENCE these claims are untrue, feel free to present it. > > > You forgot to mention his support for domestic and international > extremist [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > It's "you're," not "your." Look the child who get paid for hosting a website full of Nazi's in Canada, is resorting to a spelling bee, how socialist of you kenny... I assume, from your failure to provide rational > argument or documentation to the contrary, that you cannot address the issue > of Zundel's support for extremist groups. Thanks for making it clear. Oh please, It's been posted hundreds of times in NG, and everytime it brought up you idiots always spout off your socilaist propaganda, you full of sh.t kenny.. I don't care if it's Jew or Nazi propaganda it's all the same, bullshit...your all Nazi's, in one way or another, including the fact that your own Government is using Nazi tactic's on it own citizen's. The problem you have, is you don't like people pointing that out, so piss off Herr Kenny, your full of bullshit as always. > Now where was my mention of "nazis," Bubba? Can you point it out to me? > Can you explain why Zundel himself, during a televised interview, "I'm not a > neo-nazi, I'm a nazi"? Who care's if Zundel spout's bullshit, anyone with common sense know what it about, the war been over for far too many years, forgive germany and the Nazi and get over it weill you, it over boy, your doing just as he is, spouting propaganda, the only problem is seeing stupid a.sholes like you and Federal Liberal w.nkers using Nazi tactic's for real and silencing it own citizens or anyone you disagree with. Your not fooling anyone... > > I hate to burst your bubble diamond man, but there is a uprising taking > > place in Canada right now, and your Nazi Liberal Government is going to [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Still no evidence, I see. You're not very good at this, are you? Ahh what's the matter Kenny, you don't like the truth,. The Nazi's like to use all kinds of propaganda, just like you clowns are doing in Government to advance your cause.. > > > His ties to European extremists... who do you suppose funded trips to > > > Moscow for Canadian racial supremacists, Ross? Santa Claus? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > and the Minister of Justice. Of course, if you have EVIDENCE these claims > are untrue, feel free to present it. Sure it is, you spout all this crap on your website, they pay you to post and say. So what, you think anything they say mean's anything, when they themselves (Liberal Government) are putting forth hate crimes, with hitlists... You be reading about these Liberals soon enough, it still doesn't change the fact that these same people in Government are doing what Nazi's did, to silence views, and round up people like the Nazi's did, but this time it's in Canada..and it's not just Jews. I hear the past lawyer for Zundle is taking this to task in the courts, so to bring about awareness on this issue, about the Federal Liberals using hitlists on Canadian citizen's as well as others in many different countries..and using tax payers money to do this. How are you going to explain that to your Jew friends Kenny, when your own government is acting like Nazi's...and being exposed for their crimes on humanity.. Likes like a double standard to me... As for pointing out anything else it will be in the newspapers soon, let see how you spout your bullshit then.. . "BBAC¡O.otrBBACNEWS1² <BBAC¡O.otrBBACNEWS1² "S&*^*%$zzzzzzzzohhh@iZ%$&&*@iZ%$&&*@BBACNEWS.BCCACANADA,GVA.Sow>" <S&*^*%$BBAC@iZ%$&&*> wrote in message news:U7VXb.12679$Ff2.11446@clgrps12... > > "BBAC¡O.otrBBACNEWS1² <BBAC¡O.otrBBACNEWS1² > > "S&*^*%$zzzzzzzzohhh@iZ%$&&*@iZ%$&&*@BBACNEWS.BCCACANADA,GVA.Sow>" [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > problem you have, is you don't like people pointing that out, so piss off > Herr Kenny, your full of bullshit as always. Evasion noted. You have no evidence. > Who care's if Zundel spout's bullshit, anyone with common sense know what it Poor, confused Bubba. It was, after all, YOU who condemned remarks about "nazis," even though I hadn't made one, and that led to relating Zundel's admitting he was a nazi. That does seem to have caused you some confusion, and now you've decided to switch gears, and hope none will take note. Poor, confused Bubba. > > Still no evidence, I see. You're not very good at this, are you? > > Ahh what's the matter Kenny, you don't like the truth,. > The Nazi's like to use all kinds of propaganda, just like you clowns are > doing in Government to advance your cause.. Still no evidence, I see. You're not very good at this, are you? (This is very entertaining, but one can't help but be embarrassed for you.) > > > > His ties to European extremists... who do you suppose funded trips to > > > > Moscow for Canadian racial supremacists, Ross? Santa Claus? [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Sure it is, you spout all this crap on your website, they pay you to post > and say. Still no evidence, eh, Bubba? Poor baby. (See Fat Marc & the Village People: http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/z/zundel-ernst) > "BBAC¡O.otrBBACNEWS1² <BBAC¡O.otrBBACNEWS1² > "S&*^*%$zzzzzzzzohhh@iZ%$&&*@iZ%$&&*@BBACNEWS.BCCACANADA,GVA.Sow>" [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > Evasion noted. You have no evidence. Kenny I can not post it hear in a public form, because it would prejudiced the court case coming forth, as I said before, you will be hearing about it in the news papers soon enough. There is more going behind the scene, that the public is not privileged to, at this point. If you fear the truth, that's your problem, black bart got your number... Those Zionazis against freedom of speech have their ideological roots in the Pharisees, the people who killed Christ. They have sold out and betrayed Jewish people throughout history, and now they are cynically using the Holocaust for their aims. If the Zionazis where not deceitful Pharisees, they would welcome the chance to debunk Zundel in public debate. Instead they seek to lock him up and keep him silent. Why? People notice these things, and the hypocrisy is making Zundel look like the good guy. > > "BBAC¡O.otrBBACNEWS1² <BBAC¡O.otrBBACNEWS1² > > "S&*^*%$zzzzzzzzohhh@iZ%$&&*@iZ%$&&*@BBACNEWS.BCCACANADA,GVA.Sow>" [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > If you fear the truth, that's your problem, black bart got your number... > Those Zionazis against freedom of speech have their ideological roots in the > Pharisees, the people who killed Christ. They have sold out and betrayed [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > to debunk Zundel in public debate. Instead they seek to lock him up and > keep him silent. Why? Zundel got himself locked up by failing to enter Canada as a landed immigrant, which he clearly is. Instead, he requested "refugee" status, and that's how he ended up in the clink. http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/z/zundel-ernst > > Those Zionazis against freedom of speech have their ideological roots in > the [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/z/zundel-ernst And here is the Master Liar McVay again. Zundel did not enter Canada he was Deported here with the Help of your Jewish Mafia. Kurt Knoll. = >>>Those Zionazis against freedom of speech have their ideological >> [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > Kurt Knoll. > = [suddenly....wot' the.....and with the sound of having cotton in his mouth and a very low raspy-like voice.....] 'Don' Moishe Rothstein: "Knoll.....Knoll....what have I ever done to make you treat me so disrespectfully...and now you say these things about the 'Jewish mafia' on the day of my son's barmitzvah....yet I'm told you've been asking around BC that you seek 'justice' for those in AR who make fun of you all the time but you don't think to give me respect or call me 'Uncle Moishe' ....and if an honest man [!] like yourself makes enemies then they would become my enemies ...and then they would fear you ....and the AR members in that newsgroup who ridicule you would be paying for their ridicule this very day.... !" Kurt [overwhelmed!] "Be my friend....'Don Moishe'?" [just as suddenly....a face mask with false hair and glasses comes off...revealing ....wot' the.....the face of John Morris!] Morris: "I just wanted to see how far you would go, Kurt, and I'm now satisfied .... that you could be suckered! Big time!" Kurt: [angry!] "Only a JEW would pull a dirty stunt like that!" Morris: "Tut, Tut, Kurt....just cal me .... Uncle Moishe!" Kurt: [loses it....] "Streicher hat ganz recht! Die Juden sind unser unglück! Ja, STIMMT ist das!" Morris: "Now THAT'S the Kurt Knoll 'AR' all know....and knock!" ;-) Doc Tony ;-) > > > Those Zionazis against freedom of speech have their ideological > roots in [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Kurt Knoll. Really? The US Immigration and Naturalization Service is the Mafia, you f.cking idiot? Zundel failed to show for an immigration hearing and he was then arrested and deported to Canada by the INS. See, we Americans don't like people who break our laws, which Zundel did by overstaying his visa. He broke our laws again by not appearing at the hearing, you f.cking moron. In the USA, you f.cking Nazi scum can't do whatever you want to-you have to obey the laws just like us Americans do. If you break our laws, we're gonna punish your worthless Nazi a.ses, no matter how much you whine and moan about it. > Zundel got himself locked up by failing to enter Canada as a landed > immigrant, which he clearly is. Instead, he requested "refugee" status, and > that's how he ended up in the clink. Everyone knows Kenny, now your a cowardly sh.t that supports; "The National Socilaist Nazi Liberal Government Of Canada" and your so stupid you can't even bring yourself to believe how it could happen in Canada....These Liberals are indeed in hot water, for producing hatecrimes on Canadian Citizen's as well putting out a hitlist to on other from Britian, United States, Austrila, New Zealand, and a great many other countries.... The Nazi did the same thing, used "lists" and the use of rounding people up and you think your cause is any different Kenny, it the same.... It was used knowingly to silence the opposing views This is what they are doing in Canada right now...... a.. Criticism of any dissenting views in the media b.. creation and dissemination of lists of "undesirables". c.. favorable treatment and generous government funding and plum appointments for supporters. d.. reduce risk of public criticism by accusing dissenters of "hatecrime" e.. creation of government bodies to spy on law-abiding citizens f.. one-sided government reports g.. the use of "big lie" propaganda techniques to mold public opinion against dissenters Repost IT'S A SECRET TORONTO, February 9, 2004. Who lobbied CSIS to get rid of Zundel? Can't tell you - national security. Who authored the report calling him a terrorist? Can't tell you - national security. Did the Minister of Immigration who'd gone on the record denoucning [zundel] for making a "mockery" of Canada's refugee protection give directions to CSIS? Can't tell you; national security. Today was the day any pretence of fairness in the hearing into the reasonableness of a Canadian Security and Intelligence Service (CSIS) national security certificate alleging that German-born publisher and Canadian political prisoner Ernst Zundel slipped away like the last pastie from a tired sleaze club stripper. Former Solicitor-General Pierre Blais, then boss of Canada's spy force and now the judge in the Zundel case, ran repeated interference to shelter CSIS spokesman Dave Stewart from answering defence lead counsel Peter Lindsay's questions. Lindsay himself became the object of the bench's attack, being alternately denounced for appearing "nervous", for being on a "fishing expedition" and for "wasting the Court's time" for asking questions. At times, the imposing and lanky Lindsay, his diminutive wife and partner Chi-Kun Shi, ever scouring the voluminous files and transcripts to assist him, and the balding, pale publisher, his prison trousers held up with a necktie, seemed like a beleaguered trinity of battlers against an encircling state. The Crown and judge had both been privy to numerous secret hearings and witnesses, and every effort of the defence to elicit information on the process followed by Canada's political police was thwarted by the barrier of "national security" erected by Crown attorney Donald MacIntosh and rubber stamped "sustained" by Mr. Justice Pierre Blais. The emotionally tense day began badly. In a ruling delivered Friday afternoon, Mr. Justice Blais had rejected Mr. Lindsay's motion for an adjournment of proceedings pending the decisions of several courts of appeal on appeals filed in this case. Mr. Lindsay sought clarification of the judge's ruling. Mr. Justice Blais had ruled: "This Court was the proper forum for hearing constitutional challenges." "Is Your Lordship of the view that constitutional challenges can still be brought before Your lordship?" Mr. Lindsay inquired. "This Court entertains constitutional issues. Unfortunately, you were not here in November. The Crown argued that this Court does not have jurisdiction. I cannot comment on that. A decision was made by your Client to go to another court," the judge responded, referring to Mr. Zundel's habeas corpus motion to the Superior Court of Ontario. "I will not comment on my decision. It was never put to this Court to get a clear answer. My decision speaks by [sic] itself." So, Mr. Lindsay would be left guessing as to what would be proper procedure. Crown Attorney Donald MacIntosh added to the spirit of "We-know-but-we-won't-tell-you" churlishness. "In my respectful submission, you shouldn't answer this question," he urged the judge. "This Court shouldn't be providing Mr. Zundel with legal advice." Mr. Lindsay next asked: "Have there been any more secret proceedings since we last me?" "No," Mr. Justice Blais, sporting an ultra short new crew-cut, answered. "There's nothing mandating that I should mention it, but as a courtesy I always tell you if there was. If I have a legal obligation not to tell you, I would have no legal obligation to tell the parties." The judge's comments were seen to be disingenuous as the Crown is in on all the secret hearings and witnesses. Only Mr. Zundel, his counsel and the public are excluded. CSIS spokesman Dave Stewart is rail thin. Throughout the day he was asked to leave the court no fewer than 15 times. His "exercise" was occasioned by frequent Crown objections to Mr. Lindsay's questions and the need to hear these arguments with the witness excluded. Indeed, Mr. Stewart's first stint on the stand today lasted all of two questions. Referring to a four-page summary prepared by CSIS for Mr. Zundel's detention hearing before the Immigration and Refugee Board, February 28, 2003, Mr. Lindsay asked: "Who prepared this particular summary?" "Objection," Crown counsel Donald MacIntosh said. Mr. Stewart was ordered to leave the room. "It's a corporate document prepared by CSIS in support of the Minister. It has no relevance to know which individuals prepared this document," Mr. MacIntosh argued. The Crown counsel worried that Mr. Stewart may be led to reveal classified information. Not for the first time, the judge coached the witness on his return. "Mr. Stewart, before you answer the question, I remind you of your obligation about classified information." As to the authors of the document, Mr. Stewart responded: "I don't know." "Who in CSIS would know?" Mr. Lindsay queried. "Objection., It's not relevant," Mr. MacIntosh interrupted. "The answer is very clear: he does not know," Mr. Justice Blais said. Again, Mr. Stewart took a compulsory trip out of the courtroom. "My previous question was 'who prepared this document?" and it was ruled proper," Mr. Lindsay said. "The witness said he didn't know. Surely, it's proper to learn who might know in order for us to get the best evidence." "It's a bit of a fishing expedition," the judge snarked. "I'm not limited in my cross-examination to what is in those five volumes of documents," a visibly angry Mr. Lindsay shot back. "I've never heard that in cross I'm not allowed to conduct a fishing expedition. I had to fight to get this one witness. If I knew what was in the secret evidence, I would not have to ask these questions", he added. Maintaining the claustrophobic dust closet of secrecy that has fallen over what is becoming a police state in Canada, the judge ruled: "It will not serve the interest of justice to disclose the names of people at CSIS or the RCMP involved in preparing this document." A frustrated Mr. Lindsay asked: "I just want to understand. If I present any CSIS document, am I not allowed to ask who wrote or prepared it?" Adopting the lordly "What I have written I have written" pose, the judge responded: "I will not comment on my own decision. Don't ask me to comment on it. I have decided that my January 6 ruling applies. This question is not acceptable." Mr. Stewart trooped back into the courtroom. "Was this document prepared by employees of CSIS?" Mr. Lindsay inquired. "That's correct," Mr. Stewart answered. "Was anybody else involved in its preparation?" Mr. Lindsay continued. "Objection. It's not relevant," Mr. MacIntosh objected. Again, Mr. Stewart was directed to leave the room while a legal wrangle ensued. When he returned, the judge coached him: "I again remember [sic] you of your obligation under national security not to disclose the names of CSIS or RCMP employees." As to others involved in preparing the report, Stewart said: "I don't believe so." "It may be yes, it may be no," Mr. Lindsay pursued. "Yes," Mr. Stewart conceded. "Is there anyone at CSIS who would know?" Mr. Lindsay asked. "Objection," Mr. MacIntosh said. Once more Mr. Stewart took a trip to the outer foyer. "It's not relevant. In my respectful submission, this is a corporate document," Mr. MacIntosh insisted. "I'm trying to get to the best evidence. To the extent that Mr. Stewart wasn't able to comment on the preparation of this document, perhaps there are others who can," Mr. Lindsay argued. "Pursuant to my decision of January 6, I will maintain [sic] the objection," the former CSIS boss ruled. Mr. Stewart was recalled. "Do you know for a fact that the Department of Justice had any input into this document," Mr. Lindsay asked. Department of Justice lawyer MacIntosh was on his feet. "Objection!" Mr. Stewart took another walk. The defence lead counsel was now in for a dressing down from the judge. "Mr. Lindsay, I think you miss my point. Whether other federal agencies were involved is not pertinent. You're entitled to ask questions, but you're asking about the fabric of this document. It doesn't matter. You're wasting the time of this Court. We're going nowhere. You're trying to get indirectly what you can't get directly," the judge said. "To be brutally frank, I don't have to telegraph where I'm going," Mr. Lindsay told the judge. "I've never in my life been told how to cross-examine. We've been here 45 minutes because every question I ask has been objected to." "It's not relevant," came the chorus from Mr. MacIntosh. "The objection is maintained [sic] on the basis of the January 6 decision," Mr. Justice Blais intoned. In the next round, Mr. Lindsay was able to ask a few questions before the Crown objected. "Was this document carefully prepared to be accurate?" Mr. Lindsay asked. "Yes, I believe so," the CSIS spokesman answered. "Was it prepared to be fair?" Mr. Lindsay continued. "I don't know what the word 'fair' means," Mr. Stewart replied. Again, Mr. Lindsay asked: "Is this document accurate?" "I don't know," the CSIS witness admitted. After the morning break,. Mr. Lindsay directed the witness's attention to the five green-bound volumes of support material for the two May 1 summaries of the CSIS case against Mr. Zundel. "Does CSIS have any evidence of Mr. Zundel advocating violence or terrorism in literature he sent out?" The Crown objected. "Surely, there can't be a question of classified material in literature Mr. Zundel publicly sent out." Again, Mr. Stewart headed for the door. "I'm asking whether CSIS has evidence of Mr. Zundel advocating violence or terrorism in literature he sent out. I don't see how his own literature that he sent out can be considered 'classified' material. I'm entitled to a clear answer not muddied up by 'classified,'" Mr. Lindsay said. "It's not obvious to me whether it would be classified or not. It's possible some literature going out from Mr. Zundel over the years could be classified," the judge opined. "I don't know." When Mr. Stewart returned, Mr. Lindsay asked: "Apart from a 1981 Toronto Star article, does CSIS have any other evidence of Mr. Zundel advocating violence or terrorism in literature he sent out?" "I can't recall," was the CSIS spokesman's response. "Without asking about the content of any classified information, are you saying CSIS has evidence of Mr. Zundel advocating violence in his literature? I'm not asking for names or dates or particulars," Mr. Lindsay explained. "Objection," said Murray Rodych CSIS special counsel, now taking over the objection duties from Donald MacIntosh. Once again, Mr. Stewart left the room, while his legal defenders stymied the defence lawyer. "It's a slippery slope," Mr. Rodych argued. "It's getting into the mosaic effect, where an informed reader can deduce information about CSIS. It goes to the whole question of national security. Just confirming or denying might lead to inferences about investigative techniques, searches and surveillance." "I know the evidence classified and non-classified in this case," the former CSIS boss ruled. "I have no hesitation in saying the answer to this question would be injurious to national security or the safety of any person." When Mr. Stewart returned, Mr. Lindsay asked: "Does CSIS have any evidence of Mr. Zundel advocating violence on the Zundelsite?" "I don't believe so," Mr. Stewart replied. "Presumably, if there were such evidence, it would be deemed to be important and would be in the summary," Mr. Lindsay continued. "That is a fair assumption," Mr. Stewart conceded. Referring back to the CSIS summary presented at the February 28 detention review hearing, Mr. Lindsay asked: "There's a section about Mr. Zundel's activities in Canada. Would this be a summary of CSIS's concerns about Mr. Zundel's activities in Canada up to February 28?" "Some of the concerns," Mr. Stewart hedged. "Is there one word about Mr. Zundel or violence in Canada? It is mostly about his mailing out literature," Mr. Lindsay said. "No there is not," Mr. Stewart admitted. It had become clear that Ernst Zundel's crime is political. It is his literature and ideas, not violence or terrorism, that concern the Canadian authorities. An ancient Toronto Star article from 1981 reports breathlessly of raids by West German police on hundreds of people smeared as "neo-Nazis". In the course of the raids, literature from Ernst Zundel was found. This article has been a key part of the CSIS case. "Did CSIS bother to point out whether Mr. Zundel faced any charges in West Germany as a result of the distribution of this material?" Mr. Lindsay asked. "Does it matter to CSIS that Mr. Zundel was charged and ***acquitted for the distribution of this material?***" [emphasis added] There were Crown objections and the judge purported to be mystified by the question. "I'm entitled to probe how careful and fair CSIS is. It will be my submission that CSIS [has] thrown some mud, but doesn't present the bottom-line facts." "You're looking for inferences that are not made," Mr. Justice Blais said defending his old employees at CSIS. "This is self-serving. He's not an expert. This is a political question based on an allegation that is not made." "The government made reference to a particular incident. Mr. Zundel is bad, it said. See there. All this literature seized. But there was a trial and an acquittal. Yet, CSIS doesn't say he was charged and acquitted. This is relevant in determining the quality of the information presented to the Minister," Mr. Lindsay argued. "I will not accept this question," the judge ruled. Later, further protecting the CSIS spokesman, Mr. Justice Blais blasted Mr. Lindsay: "I'll not tolerate that you be condescendent [sic] to the witness. I'll not let you lecture the witness. He's been co-operating." "Your Lordship should not be making positive comments about the witness while he's on the stand," Mr. Lindsay countered. In a dramatic conclusion to a stormy day, the Crown and judge stymied defence efforts to learn the extent of Jewish lobbying of CSIS. "Do any of the contents of the May 1 summary come from Jewish groups seeking the removal of Mr. Zundel from Canada? "M. Lindsay asked. "Objection! National security," Mr. MacIntosh said. Mr. Stewart again trekked to the door. An incredulous Peter Lindsay pointed out that the April 30 CSIS summary -- a non-classified document -- quoted a report from the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith. "How can this be 'national security'?" he demanded. "It's an improper question," the dogged MacIntosh replied. "He cannot ask for the source of CSIS's information or who those sources are. His question is designed to elicit in camera material." When he returned to the witness box, Mr. Stewart said: "I'm not sure I can identify which groups are calling for Mr. Zundel's removal from Canada." "Are you aware that B'nai Brith called for Mr. Zundel's removal from Canada?" Mr. Lindsay asked. "I don't know," Mr. Stewart responded, "Have representatives of CSIS met with representatives of B'nai Brith in reference to Mr. Zundel?" Mr. Lindsay probed. "Objection," snapped Mr. MacIntosh. "There's evidence of Jewish groups calling for Mr. Zundel to be removed from Canada," Mr. Lindsay answered. Once more the stifling blanket of alleged 'national security' was drawn over the proceedings. "It's injurious to national security to enter the domain of the methodology of CSIS. I will not allow that," Mr. Justice Blais ruled. Mr. Lindsay then entered a binder of articles and press releases about Mr. Zundel. He referred to a B'nai Brith press release from February, 2003. The press release reported a meeting between B'nai Brith President Frank Dimant and the Minister of Immigration where the Jewish lobby group sought Mr. Zundel's removal from Canada. "This group is in close contact with the minister who signs the certificate. It's appropriate to know whether this group is in contact with CSIS, who prepares the report for this same minister," Mr. Lindsay said. "Are you aware of contacts between the minister and B'nai Brith in 2003?" the defence counsel asked. "I'm not," Mr. Stewart replied. "Are you aware of contacts between CSIS and B'nai Brith in 2003?" "Objection," said Mr. MacIntosh, leaping to the defence of the lobbyists. "Sustained," came the predictable ruling. "Are you aware of directions given by the Minister of Immigration to CSIS?" Mr. Lindsay asked. Again, Mr. MacIntosh objected. "It could be injurious to national security. It could be injurious in terms of CSIS methodology." "The Globe and Mail of February 20, 2003 said Immigration Minister Denis Coderre was 'furious' when he learned Mr. Zundel had returned to Canada and had made a 'mockery' of Canada's refugee system," Mr. Lindsay responded. "Using the politically correct catch-all term, Mr. MacIntosh argued: "It's not appropriate to ask that." "Based on previous decisions about national security, this question is not acceptable," the former CSIS boss and Ottawa insider ruled. "Objection is maintained [sic]." comment from webmaster of WRH: WRH: Laws that punish an idea have no place in the modern world. If Zundel's ideas were false the fastest way to deal with him would be ot le him have his say and present his case on nationwide TV, then refute him with the facts. Frankly, the strenuous effort being made to keep him silent strongly suggests that what he has to say cannot be refuted, and that like Galileo, he is being persecuted as a threat to vested belief systems. "BBAC¡O.otrBBACNEWS1² <BBAC¡O.otrBBACNEWS1² "S&*^*%$zzzzzzzzohhh@iZ%$&&*@iZ%$&&*@BBACNEWS.BCCACANADA,GVA.Sow>" <S&*^*%$BBAC@iZ%$&&*> wrote in message news:lkaYb.22860$D_5.10421@edtnps84... > > Zundel got himself locked up by failing to enter Canada as a landed > > immigrant, which he clearly is. Instead, he requested "refugee" status, > and > > that's how he ended up in the clink. > > Everyone knows Kenny, now your a cowardly sh.t that supports; "The National I love it when you idiots tilt. It discredits you so thoroughly. It's "you're a cowardly sh.t," Bubba. Do return to Kindergarten before Mommy discovers that you've been using her PC. Come back after graduation, kid. > "BBAC¡O.otrBBACNEWS1² <BBAC¡O.otrBBACNEWS1² > "S&*^*%$zzzzzzzzohhh@iZ%$&&*@iZ%$&&*@BBACNEWS.BCCACANADA,GVA.Sow>" [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Come back after graduation, kid. I'm beginning to get bored with Uncle Ernst myself. I think there are more important things to be discussed than the lunatic ramblings and pitiful wailing of an aging bigot with a pot belly who is hiding in jail under a ridiculous pretense because he's afraid of paying for his crimes. > > "BBAC¡O.otrBBACNEWS1² <BBAC¡O.otrBBACNEWS1² > > "S&*^*%$zzzzzzzzohhh@iZ%$&&*@iZ%$&&*@BBACNEWS.BCCACANADA,GVA.Sow>" [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > I'm beginning to get bored with Uncle Ernst myself. I think there are > more important things to be discussed The fascists don't want you to care about free speech. than the lunatic ramblings and > pitiful wailing of an aging bigot with a pot belly who is hiding in > jail under a ridiculous pretense because he's afraid of paying for his > crimes. You sound like a Nazi yourself. Please list the crimes. Otherwise shutup. All the police state cheerleaders here have come up with is that he applied for refugee status, so we hold him forever. But refugees don't get locked up for no reason, do they? The govt hides behind Nat Sec so they can avoid presenting a reason to politically silence someone. > > "Ken McVay, OBC" <spamfreek@nizkor.org> wrote in message > news:<c0rnjv059k@enews2.newsguy.com>... [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > The fascists don't want you to care about free speech. There is no free speech issue in Canada. He is being held because he applied for refugee status to avoid extraditon to Germany. Even the USA does not have unlimited free speech, dinglebrain. The following forms are prohibited by most states: Libel(civil) Slander(civil) Inciting to riot Perjury Assault-threats of violence Obstruction of justice > than the lunatic ramblings and > > pitiful wailing of an aging bigot with a pot belly who is hiding in > > jail under a ridiculous pretense because he's afraid of paying for his > > crimes. > > You sound like a Nazi yourself. Really? I'm Jewish. > Please list the crimes. Denying the Holocaust Draft evasion > Otherwise shutup. f.ck you.I don't take orders from idiots. I'll say whatever I please and you have no say in the matter. That right is protected by the US Constitution's 1st Amendment, a.shole. > All the police state cheerleaders here have come up with is that he applied > for refugee status, so we hold him forever. But refugees don't get locked > up for no reason, do they? The govt hides behind Nat Sec so they can avoid > presenting a reason to politically silence someone. No, idiot. If you bothered to read the Canadian court pronouncements, you will see Zundel finances and coordinates violence among right wing groups. If he wants to get out of jail, all he has to do is agree to go back to Germany to stand trial. The Germans want him extradited, you ignorant fuckhole. > > > "Ken McVay, OBC" <spamfreek@nizkor.org> wrote in message > > news:<c0rnjv059k@enews2.newsguy.com>... [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > > > > immigrant, which he clearly is. Instead, he requested "refugee" > > > > > status, and that's how he ended up in the clink. He didn't /choose/ to "enter Canada". He was forcibly placed into Canadian custody (after two attempts) by armed US INS agents after being illegally abducted from his home in Tennessee. ... > No, idiot. If you bothered to read the Canadian court pronouncements, > you will see Zundel finances and coordinates violence among right wing > groups. There has been no credible information placed in evidence to support your assertion. > If he wants to get out of jail, all he has to do is agree to > go back to Germany to stand trial. The Germans want him extradited, ... The German gov't has not requested extradition of Ernst Zundel from Canada. You claim "The Germans want him extradited," Why is there no formal extradition request from Germany to Canada for Ernst Zundel? German Embassy official Harry Adelt has stated that the German government has no plans to seek Ernst Zundel's extradition at this time, "But if the Canadians want to deport him, they can do it," he said. It's quite obvious that Ernst Zundel is being kept in solitary confinement in a Canadian jail solely to please that well-financed, vocal, religio-ethnic pressure group that enjoys special privileges in Canada. > > "BAKUNIN" <xlr8@operamail.com> wrote in message > news:<40325211_1@dns.sd54.bc.ca>... [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Canadian custody (after two attempts) by armed US INS agents after being > illegally abducted from his home in Tennessee. He overstayed his visa and failed to appear at an INS hearing which was mandatory, liar. The INS had every right to deport him. We Americans don't like people who break our laws. You f.cking Nazi scum can't do whatever you want in the USA-you have to oby the law just like we do. > ... > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > There has been no credible information placed in evidence to support your > assertion. The Canadian authorities are not required to prove anything to you, arrogant a.shole. You're just a big mouth fool. > > If he wants to get out of jail, all he has to do is agree to > > go back to Germany to stand trial. The Germans want him extradited, ... [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > has no plans to seek Ernst Zundel's extradition at this time, "But if the > Canadians want to deport him, they can do it," he said. PROOF?????????????????????????????????? > It's quite obvious that Ernst Zundel is being kept in solitary confinement > in a Canadian jail solely to please that well-financed, vocal, > religio-ethnic pressure group that enjoys special privileges in Canada. You say that but you can't prove it. It's just another of your lies. Your credibility here is lower than whaleshit. Zundel doesn't "annoy" me. I'm an American and I wish you idiots would stop talking about him. He's just a senile old fool who isn't worth another word. (sort of like you) > > > "BAKUNIN" <xlr8@operamail.com> wrote in message > > news:<40325211_1@dns.sd54.bc.ca>... > > > > > "Ken McVay, OBC" <spamfreek@nizkor.org> wrote in message > > news:<c0rnjv059k@enews2.newsguy.com>... > > > > > > "BBAC¡O.otrBBACNEWS1² <BBAC¡O.otrBBACNEWS1² "S&*^*%$zzzzzzzzohhh@iZ%$&&*@iZ%$&&*@BBACNEWS.BCCACANADA,GVA.Sow>" > > > > > > <S&*^*%$BBAC@iZ%$&&*> wrote in message > > > > > > news:lkaYb.22860$D_5.10421@edtnps84... [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > another word. > (sort of like you) You maybe American but you are a typical Jewish Liar. It is you people who manipulate the Zundel saga to stay in the Limelight. Remember it was the Canadian Jewish Congress that created this fuzz and you're Canadian high ranking Political Lackeys became involved there you have what you wanted so stop lying. Kurt Knoll. = >> "BBAC¡O.otrBBACNEWS1² <BBAC¡O.otrBBACNEWS1² >> "S&*^*%$zzzzzzzzohhh@iZ%$&&*@iZ%$&&*@BBACNEWS.BCCACANADA,GVA.Sow>" [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > jail under a ridiculous pretense because he's afraid of paying for his > crimes. I agree. He's become a poster boy for the loonatic fringe. I still think house arrest in Chibougamou or Rankin Inlet would be more apropos. Save everyone a lot of trouble. Dhu  Signature*********************************************** All persons named herein are purely fictional victims of the Canidian Beagle Breader's Association. Save the Beagle! I keep getting anonymous mail from my "Fans". Don't be anonymous. To send me a private message, goto: https://www.neotext.ca/cgi-bin/pub.gtx.sh?&COLS=48&ROWS=8&PROC=message&SERVICE_A DDR=campbell *********************************************** > >> "BBAC¡O.otrBBACNEWS1² <BBAC¡O.otrBBACNEWS1² > >> "S&*^*%$zzzzzzzzohhh@iZ%$&&*@iZ%$&&*@BBACNEWS.BCCACANADA,GVA.Sow>" [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Dhu I suspect Zundel likes all the attention he's getting while playing the role of a martyr. It's probably more media coverage than he gets when he's free. > "BBAC¡O.otrBBACNEWS1² <BBAC¡O.otrBBACNEWS1² > "S&*^*%$zzzzzzzzohhh@iZ%$&&*@iZ%$&&*@BBACNEWS.BCCACANADA,GVA.Sow>" [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > I love it when you idiots tilt. What the matter Kenny, can't handle the truth about your National Socialist Liberal Nazi party in Canada. You are not to bright, but are a well known freak, here you slam Zundle, but he is doing nothing any different then the federal Liberals are doing by posting hatecrimes on a government website including posting Canadian citizen names on a hitlist for speaking out about governments terrorism,. and still Kenny you can't even see the difference, instead you act like a stupid kid, looking the other way... well it says it all about the Jews today. I going to enjoy slapping your stupidity when all this stuff comes out in the newspapers, Kenny.... and I use your posts to show the world how stupid moron's like you closed a blind eye, just like the German citizen's did when the Nazi's were rounding up Jews. > > "BBAC¡O.otrBBACNEWS1² <BBAC¡O.otrBBACNEWS1² > > "S&*^*%$zzzzzzzzohhh@iZ%$&&*@iZ%$&&*@BBACNEWS.BCCACANADA,GVA.Sow>" [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > What the matter Kenny, can't handle the truth about your National Socialist > Liberal Nazi party in Canada. Is there some particular reason you are changing the subject? Don't you want to talk about Mr. Zundel anymore? > You are not to bright, but are a well known > freak, here you slam Zundle, but he is doing nothing any different then the > federal Liberals are doing by posting hatecrimes on a government website Are you asserting that Mr. Zundel commits hate crimes? Were you going to present some evidence that I support this government? (I didn't think so.) > including posting Canadian citizen names on a hitlist for speaking out about > governments terrorism,. and still Kenny you can't even see the difference, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > show the world how stupid moron's like you closed a blind eye, just like the > German citizen's did when the Nazi's were rounding up Jews. What have Jews got to do with it? (No, Bubba, I'm not Jewish.) > > > "BBAC¡O.otrBBACNEWS1² <BBAC¡O.otrBBACNEWS1² > > > "S&*^*%$zzzzzzzzohhh@iZ%$&&*@iZ%$&&*@BBACNEWS.BCCACANADA,GVA.Sow>" [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > What have Jews got to do with it? (No, Bubba, I'm not Jewish.) You are Lying again McVay Zundel is held as a Security Risk can you give as Details Please and not Fabrications. Kurt Knoll. = > > > "BBAC¡O.otrBBACNEWS1² <BBAC¡O.otrBBACNEWS1² > > > "S&*^*%$zzzzzzzzohhh@iZ%$&&*@iZ%$&&*@BBACNEWS.BCCACANADA,GVA.Sow>" [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Is there some particular reason you are changing the subject? Don't you want > to talk about Mr. Zundel anymore? Is there some reason you don't want to tell the truth, or is there some reason you are not concerned a your own Canadian Liberal Nazi Government doing the same thing as Zundle.... > > here you slam Zundle, but he is doing nothing any different then > the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > present some evidence that I support this government? > (I didn't think so.) Why are you afraid of this issue, of the Federal Liberals promoting hatecrimes and putting out hitlist on it's own citizens by also having the government state they will be rounding up all these people. Is it because you make you money selling this propaganda you spout on your website, and bashing Zundal. As I said, Zundle is doing just as the Liberal government is doing. The problem is, you can't tell the difference, between Nazism in the past and what Nazism is being promoted by your own Liberal government, because your blind to the truth and money is your only god... > > including posting Canadian citizen names on a hitlist for speaking out > about [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > What have Jews got to do with it? (No, Bubba, I'm not Jewish.) It has a lot to do with it, but I think when this issue is brought forth it going to make Jews think about issues, that are a concern to them. And maybe you will clue in Kenny. > > "BBAC¡O.otrBBACNEWS1² <BBAC¡O.otrBBACNEWS1² > > "S&*^*%$zzzzzzzzohhh@iZ%$&&*@iZ%$&&*@BBACNEWS.BCCACANADA,GVA.Sow>" [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > Nazi Government > doing the same thing as Zundle.... Evasion noted. > > > here you slam Zundle, but he is doing nothing any different then > > the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Is it because you make you money selling this propaganda you spout on your > website, and bashing Zundal. Evasion noted. > As I said, Zundle is doing just as the Liberal government is doing. The > problem is, you can't tell the difference, > between Nazism in the past and what Nazism is being promoted by your own > Liberal government, because your blind to the truth > and money is your only god... It's "you're," and your evasion's noted. > > > "BBAC¡O.otrBBACNEWS1² <BBAC¡O.otrBBACNEWS1² > > > "S&*^*%$zzzzzzzzohhh@iZ%$&&*@iZ%$&&*@BBACNEWS.BCCACANADA,GVA.Sow>" [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > > It's "you're," and your evasion's noted. Political commentary. Isn't that cute Kenny, your spelling bee just like socialist w.nkers spout. So you only care about the money really you get from Jews and it's organizations made off your website., not real justice issues or the truth, isn't that interesting. Or do you care about the Federal Liberal posing as Nazi's and using the same methods that German's used in world war 2, by using hatecrimes and lists, and note the Liberals they posted on a Federal Liberal Government website, well that says it all about you Kenny. So you are no different then Zundel bullshit.... Piss off then Kenny, your an idiot. [...] > Piss off then Kenny, your an idiot. That's "you're an idiot," idiot. > [...] Political commentary. Snipping out the part about how you only care about the money, shows you are an idiot. So you only care about the money really you get from Jews and it's organizations made off your website., not real justice issues or the truth, isn't that interesting. Or do you care about the Federal Liberal posing as Nazi's and using the same methods that German's used in world war 2, by using hatecrimes and lists, and note the Liberals they posted on a Federal Liberal Government website, well that says it all about you Kenny. So you are no different then Zundel bullshit.... > > Piss off then Kenny, your an idiot. > > That's "you're an idiot," idiot. Isn't that cute Kenny, your spelling bee agenda, just like the socialist w.nker you are. Deal with the real issue Kenny, you liar...At least, I don't support terrorist groups like the Federal Nazi Liberals like you do, so who's the idiot, YOU are Kenny....now you may go find some more Nazi's under every rock, and look there one under your bed.... BBAC¡O.otrBBACNEWS1² <BBAC¡O.otrBBACNEWS1² "S&*^*%$zzzzzzzzohhh@iZ%$&&*@iZ%$&&*@BBACNEWS.BCCACANADA,GVA.Sow> <S&*^*%$BBAC@iZ%$&&*> wrote in message news:PsNYb.30077$Hy3.22568@edtnps89... > > "BBAC¡O.otrBBACNEWS1² <BBAC¡O.otrBBACNEWS1² > > "S&*^*%$zzzzzzzzohhh@iZ%$&&*@iZ%$&&*@BBACNEWS.BCCACANADA,GVA.Sow>" [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > idiot, YOU are Kenny....now you may go find some more Nazi's under every > rock, and look there one under your bed.... Your Ken McVay Is like the dregs you get with your tee bag every morning. In May 1998 he told me that Goldhagen never wrote that Germans had a pathological hatred of Jews. I wrote back to him to ask Mister Oerest Slepokura about it. In Norman G. Finkelsteins book "The Holocaust Industry" published in 2001 it say's "The central thesis of Goldhagen's book is standard Holocaust dogma: driven by pathological hatred, the German people leapt at the opportunity Hitler availed them to murder Jews. Sometime time later he wrote that he still has his link to Zundel's website and started crying about me telling him that he and his supporters are out to get people like Zundel... He denied it. This happened in 98 too. In October 1999 he posted in Subject: Re: Grosvenor tricks From: kmcvay @ veritas. nizkor.org The "anonymous" William Grosvernor has at least two legitimate email addresses... COMPLAIN TO 3WEB.NET may be worthwhile in bringing this ongoing Grosvenor SPAM to an end. Look it up on google.com. Would you give this man your dog for a walk? Werner Knoll As soon as men decide that all means are permitted to fight an evil. Then their good becomes indistinguishable from the evil that they set out to destroy. Christopher Dawson > [...] > > > Piss off then Kenny, your an idiot. > > That's "you're an idiot," idiot. Uncle Ernst is "flighty"? Does that mean he's gonna take off in one of those flying saucers he claims are at the South Pole?(Or was that the North Pole?) Perhaps his extraterrestrial allies will hover their spaceship over his jail cell and beam him up to freedom. > > [...] > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Perhaps his extraterrestrial allies will hover their spaceship over > his jail cell and beam him up to freedom. So you will over look the Federal Liberal government of Canada promoting hate propaganda on law abiding citizen's, how nice of you for that, and that you do not see a problem with Nazism being promoted by Canadian government thugs... You f.cking people are moron's. Just think of all the jew children that will be rounded up in Canada. f.ck you people are stupid. "BBAC¡O.otrBBACNEWS1² <BBAC¡O.otrBBACNEWS1² "S&*^*%$zzzzzzzzohhh@iZ%$&&*@iZ%$&&*@BBACNEWS.BCCACANADA,GVA.Sow>" <S&*^*%$BBAC@iZ%$&&*> wrote in message news:t97Zb.40302$Hy3.1204@edtnps89... > > "Ken McVay, OBC" <spamfreek@nizkor.org> wrote in message > news:<c0uoi701ho2@enews2.newsguy.com>... [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > You f.cking people are moron's. Just think of all the jew children that will > be rounded up in Canada. f.ck you people are stupid. Get Real Guy a lot of People do not Trust the Jews does this mean the are all Nazi. Kurt Knoll. = > "BBAC¡O.otrBBACNEWS1² <BBAC¡O.otrBBACNEWS1² > "S&*^*%$zzzzzzzzohhh@iZ%$&&*@iZ%$&&*@BBACNEWS.BCCACANADA,GVA.Sow>" [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > Get Real Guy a lot of People do not Trust the Jews does this mean the > are all Nazi. I personally don't give a sh.t if their jews or Nazi's, if it is ok for one to spout their crap and not for the other, then I do see a problem with that, it violatates one's right to freedom of speach and does violate the charter, .Political correctness poses a threat on free expression, and the constitutional process. Let's call it it what it really is, thought control, and political cleansing, and what jews are doing is no different then what Zundel is doing, both are moron's for spouting bullshit. Either way is not a issue, what is at issue is how Zundel spouts his crap and he is locked up, but when the government of canada does it, everyone closes a blind eye, and I believe jews should mind their propaganda just as canda governments should mind their's, otherwise it just another act of stupidity in acting like Nazi's.. > Kurt Knoll. > = "BBAC¡O.otrBBACNEWS1² <BBAC¡O.otrBBACNEWS1² "S&*^*%$zzzzzzzzohhh@iZ%$&&*@iZ%$&&*@BBACNEWS.BCCACANADA,GVA.Sow>" <S&*^*%$BBAC@iZ%$&&*> wrote in message news:9ZcZb.40433$Hy3.33291@edtnps89... > > "BBAC¡O.otrBBACNEWS1² <BBAC¡O.otrBBACNEWS1² > > "S&*^*%$zzzzzzzzohhh@iZ%$&&*@iZ%$&&*@BBACNEWS.BCCACANADA,GVA.Sow>" [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > > news:<c0uoi701ho2@enews2.newsguy.com>... > > > > > "BBAC¡O.otrBBACNEWS1² <BBAC¡O.otrBBACNEWS1² "S&*^*%$zzzzzzzzohhh@iZ%$&&*@iZ%$&&*@BBACNEWS.BCCACANADA,GVA.Sow>" > > > > > <S&*^*%$BBAC@iZ%$&&*> wrote in message > > > news:4ZAYb.24437$n17.6241@clgrps13... [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > Kurt Knoll. > > = Canada's Government is a Lackey for the Jews just like Germany and other Countries. Kurt Knoll. = > "BBAC¡O.otrBBACNEWS1² <BBAC¡O.otrBBACNEWS1² > "S&*^*%$zzzzzzzzohhh@iZ%$&&*@iZ%$&&*@BBACNEWS.BCCACANADA,GVA.Sow>" [quoted text clipped - 77 lines] > Canada's Government is a Lackey for the Jews just like Germany and other > Countries. If that is the case then speak out with pride. > Kurt Knoll. > = > > "Ken McVay, OBC" <spamfreek@nizkor.org> wrote in message > news:<c0uoi701ho2@enews2.newsguy.com>... [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > You f.cking people are moron's. Just think of all the jew children that will > be rounded up in Canada. f.ck you people are stupid. I think you have mistaken me for someone who cares what you think. I decide what is important to me and you have no say in the matter. > "BBAC¡O.otrBBACNEWS1²"S&*^*%$BBAC@iZ%$&&*" <BBAC¡?.otrBBACNEWS1²?S&*^*%$zzzzzzzzohhh@i?%$&&*@i?%$&&*@BBACNEWS.BCCACANA DA,GVA.Sow> wrote in message news:<t97Zb.40302$Hy3.1204@edtnps89>... > > > "Ken McVay, OBC" <spamfreek@nizkor.org> wrote in message > > news:<c0uoi701ho2@enews2.newsguy.com>... [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > I think you have mistaken me for someone who cares what you think. I > decide what is important to me and you have no say in the matter. That's because you are an idiot, just like the jews and Nazi freaks, all believing your own crap as the god giving truth, Hipercite.. In article <X6vYb.19606$Hy3.5883@edtnps89>, "BBAC¡O.otrBBACNEWS1²"S&*^*%$BBAC@iZ%$&&*" <BBAC¡Œ.otrBBACNEWS1²“S&*^*%$zzzzzzzzohhh@iŽ%$&&*@iŽ%$&&* @BBACNEWS.BCC ACANADA,GVA.Sow> wrote: > > "BBAC¡O.otrBBACNEWS1² <BBAC¡O.otrBBACNEWS1² > > "S&*^*%$zzzzzzzzohhh@iZ%$&&*@iZ%$&&*@BBACNEWS.BCCACANADA,GVA.Sow>" [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > > here you slam Zundle, but he is doing nothing any different > > > then > Is it because you make you money selling this propaganda you spout > on your website, and bashing Zundal. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > your own Liberal government, because your blind to the truth > and money is your only god... Talk about Zundel?! HELL, this moron can't even spell his NAME correctly! In fact, he spells it two different ways, and BOTH are wrong. Sara Signature-My name is not "Fatbury Scumbag" you stupid lying Jew bastard. Name call is all a pathetic loser like you has! You have yet to prove me wrong you dirty filthy lying Jew bastard! -I don't rely on personal attacks as my means of posting and the bulk of my posts prove so! You can't discern the difference. BTW my name is not Fatboy you stupid kike. --Scott Bradbury, who completely misses the irony of the above > Talk about Zundel?! HELL, this moron can't even spell his NAME > correctly! In fact, he spells it two different ways, and BOTH are > wrong. > > Sara You should look in your own back yard before you spout your stupidity, if you don't like truth about Nazi Government in Canada, and yes they are called the Liberal Government, then keep your bullshit to yourself....There is proof to show it true, which the newspapers will be posting soon, Sara > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] > > Sara He also posts run-on sentences, connecting two separate thoughts with a comma. I see no proof that Ken McVay is getting any "money" from his stance on Zundel.That's another baseless claim by the idiot. I also see no proof that the Canadian government is "Liberal". Doesn't Canada have a Conservative Party and don't they serve in government? These bigots use the word "Liberal" to mean anyone who disagrees with them. Tom Shelley actually called me a "Liberal". ROTFL. Some people have called me a "Fascist" for my right-wing views.ROTFL. They get upset when I oppose welfare, abortion, school busing,and more gun control. > He also posts run-on sentences, connecting two separate thoughts with > a comma. Wow, another idiot, playing the Socialist Nazism spelling bee. how cute. > I see no proof that Ken McVay is getting any "money" from his stance > on Zundel.That's another baseless claim by the idiot. Sure he is, why do you think he is so obsessed with Zundal the Sundial. It has nothing to do with truth and justice issues, it alabout the money Kenny gets. You are very stupid indeed then, why else would an idiot like Kenny put up a funded website paid by the Jewish community, he not even a jew. Everyone know all about Kenny and his goals, including his past diamond sales on the BBS and that he got in real trouble for also. Who the f.ck do you think your fooling there bubba. > I also see no proof that the Canadian government is "Liberal". Doesn't > Canada have a Conservative Party and don't they serve in government? LOL's you are stupid. > These bigots use the word "Liberal" to mean anyone who disagrees with > them. Tom Shelley actually called me a "Liberal". ROTFL. So you didn't know about the Federal Liberal Government putting out hitlist and reports on law abiding Canadian citizen's. That doesn't surprise me in the least as you seem to buy into socialist Liberal propaganda, but do you know that the Canadian Government also put out the same hitlist and reports on law abiding American citizen's to have them also rounded up and criminally charged. Now you wouldn't know about that either. > Some people have called me a "Fascist" for my right-wing views.ROTFL. > They get upset when I oppose welfare, abortion, school busing,and more > gun control. So your a control freak, mind your place sonny and stay of others business. > Those Zionazis against freedom of speech have their ideological roots in the > Pharisees, the people who killed Christ. They have sold out and betrayed [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > People notice these things, and the hypocrisy is making Zundel look like the > good guy. I can see that is a big problem for them, maybe there is something to what Zundel is saying, other why lock him up, except to silence the truth. It Does make one wonder. > > > "BBAC¡O.otrBBACNEWS1² <BBAC¡O.otrBBACNEWS1² > > > "S&*^*%$zzzzzzzzohhh@iZ%$&&*@iZ%$&&*@BBACNEWS.BCCACANADA,GVA.Sow>" [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > > > > If you fear the truth, that's your problem, black bart got your number... "BBAC¡O.otrBBACNEWS1² <BBAC¡O.otrBBACNEWS1² "S&*^*%$zzzzzzzzohhh@iZ%$&&*@iZ%$&&*@BBACNEWS.BCCACANADA,GVA.Sow>" <S&*^*%$BBAC@iZ%$&&*> wrote in message news:XP9Yb.22852$D_5.14237@edtnps84... > > Those Zionazis against freedom of speech have their ideological roots in > the [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Zundel is saying, other why lock him up, except to silence the truth. It > Does make one wonder. Zundel locked himself up, kid. Do try to keep up. > I can see that is a big problem for them, maybe there is something to > what Zundel is saying, other why lock him up, except to silence the > truth. It Does make one wonder. Just think of the implications of this principle. I mean, just how many people are locked up in prisons all over Canada, the United States, the world? There must be something to what all of those people in all of those prisons are saying. Otherwise, why lock them all up? There's no reason, except to silence the truth. It makes one wonder indeed. SignatureTHE MAD REVISIONIST We do not recruit, we convince Truth has no need for coercion http://www.revisionism.nl/ > > I can see that is a big problem for them, maybe there is something to > > what Zundel is saying, other why lock him up, except to silence the > > truth. It Does make one wonder. > > Just think of the implications of this principle. I have many times, on many issues, and the more I look into this, I find government lies, government terrorism on it own citizen's, and guys like Kenny close a blind eye to all of it, unless it just a Jew issue that makes him money, and even then he closes a blind eye to Jew children being terrorized by his owm federal Liberal Nazi party, and it makes me wonder why, other then he just in it for the money and doesn't give a sh.t about Jew children being removed by Liberal terrorism. Common sense goes a lot further then corruption and greed and lust for power, Kenny... It was bad enough about the diamond sales on the BBS that kenny made many jew embarressted about. > I mean, just how many people are locked up in prisons all over Canada, the > United States, the world? > > There must be something to what all of those people in all of those prisons > are saying. Otherwise, why lock them all up? There's no reason, except to > silence the truth. Just look how many innocent people have been jailed by tyrants in Canada who by the way all work for the federal Liberal Nazi's > It makes one wonder indeed. > > > I can see that is a big problem for them, maybe there is something to > > > what Zundel is saying, other why lock him up, except to silence the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > government lies, government terrorism on it own citizen's, and guys like > Kenny close a blind eye to all of it, unless it just a Jew issue You should be indicted for the murder of the English language, you f.cking idiot. that makes > him money, and even then he closes a blind eye to Jew children being > terrorized by his owm federal Liberal Nazi party, and it makes me wonder [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Just look how many innocent people have been jailed by tyrants in Canada who > by the way all work for the federal Liberal Nazi's From MacBeth: 'Tis a tale told by an idiot Full of sound and fury Signifying nothing > > It makes one wonder indeed. > You should be indicted for the murder of the English language, you f.cking idiot. And you should get your facts straight before you spout your self serving terrorism about Nazi's, under every rock, you f.cking stupid coconut monkey crappings. Get a Life you moron... The only way for socialists to be "mighty" in the real world is for them to support terrorists or to become terrorists themselves. Socialists inherently are ineffectual, as are terrorists minus their cowardly acts of terror. Socialist "intellectuals" are the terrorists of the intelligentsia. The only way for fascist, lying a.sholes like you to make a point is to write about a fantisy world that doesn't exist except on the convoluted halls of your twisted mind. You're disconnected, Cryin Cowboy. You can't best anyone in a legitimate debate, so you make up false positions and agendas and attack them instead, and then pat yourself on the back like you've really accomplished something. Go away. You've nothing to offer anyone. You're not mentally agile enough to participate in any real discussion. You terrorist-coddling, godless, cocksucking, buttfucked, pro-gay marriage, pro-pedophile, pro-NAMBLA, pro-ELF, anti-Ten Commandments, anti-War on Terror, anti-U.S. military, America-hating, big government-Big Brother, totalitarian, Stalinist, ill-Liberal, pinko puking Socialist-Democrats who want to tax the American middle class to death, who want to take away a citizen's right to bear arms, who want to subvert American economic and military power to the hopelessly venal, corrupt, clueless and toothless U.N. for a one-world workers' utopian government, can't even keep your lying, twisted, specious, sophistry-rife, stupidly spun stories straight. Because you are spineless, gutless Chicken Littles who have short memory and attention spans, who worship the Golden Calf of materialism and raw emotion but yet reject reason, spirituality and free enterprise, who are always crying about how the sky is always falling, always whimpering about how you always want more freebies from the U.S. government, and always whining about how you always want a welfare-nanny state which will always wipe your AIDS-ridden spooge-spattered faggot a.ses from cradle-to-grave. ...ill-Liberals... Wingeing... Always... You're a stinking worthless fearful mob of helpless donkey sh.t crawling maggots who cannot even remember the words of your own 'fearless leaders': "[W]e begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them." - Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI) Sept. 19, 2002. "We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction. .. [W]ithout question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. And now he has continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ..." - Sen. John Forbes Kerry (D, MA) Jan. 23, 2003 "[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." - Letter to President Clinton, signed by Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Forbes Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998. "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is using and developing weapons of mass desruction." - Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA) Sept. 27, 2002. "I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force - if necessary - to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." - Sen. John Forbes Kerry (D, MA) Oct. 9, 2002. === === === === === === === === === === John Forbes Kerry, his post-Vietnam War, pro-Communist, anti-war, anti-U.S. military Congressional Testimony in 1971, and what fellow Vietnam Veterans and other military personnel now think of his traitorous actions 33 years later: http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040219-115623-9539r.htm http://www.richmond.edu/~ebolt/history398/JohnKerryTestimony.htm http://www.geocities.com/seavet72/AW/ws-kerry.htm http://www.fakewarriors.com http://johnkerry.blogspot.com/ http://www.soft-vision.com/hanoi/larson Loser. Plonk. > You terrorist-coddling, godless, cocksucking, buttfucked, pro-gay > marriage, pro-pedophile, pro-NAMBLA, pro-ELF, anti-Ten Commandments, [quoted text clipped - 80 lines] > > http://www.soft-vision.com/hanoi/larson >>(Mr. Smiff) >>ClintonGoreAlbrightReno_shouldRotInPrison@blockhouse#13.gov >>ralphed this buick: >Plonk. That the sound your drawers make when they hit the floor after you drop them and bend over for James "Gollum" Carville & Co.? Hey, chickenshit? You pinko puke. >Loser. That's you, Mr. Cretincrat, you ostrich. *You're* the "looser." In January of 1993, you Dummycrats had the Hilly's Billy KKKlintoon White House (read: 'Whore House'), the U.S. Senate, the House of Representatives, the state legislatures and governorships. Now, in March of 2004, the Republicans own all that. Why? Because of all the Hitlery & Bubba KKKlintoon money scandals, all their lies, all of Slick Wilhelm's bimbo eruptions, because of Slack Walleye's 1993 tax hike -- the biggest in U.S. history -- and because of B.J.Clintoon's sheer negligence in fighting Islamo-Fascist terrorism worldwide. Because Bubba da Terrorist Appeaser, da Draft Dodger, da Clumsy 'n' Goofy D.N.C. Gangsta, being the shyster and U.S. military-loather that he admittedly was, tried to handle the following Islamo-Fascist terrorist bombings as "court room legal problems" instead of key issues of national defense and security: 1) the first New York City World Trade Center bombing in 1993, 2) the Mogadishu-"Black Hawk Down" catastrophe, also in 1993, 3) the Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia in 1996, 4) the 1998 double African Embassy bombing, 5) and the U.S.S. Cole bombing in 2000 in Yemen. You can "plonk" me any time you like, you dumbass Duddocrat. It's still a free country, no thanks to Stalinist turd dollops like you, Mr. Smiff. But your loser Liberal Socialist-DemonRAT Party is being 'plonked' by the Silent Majority of American voters a la the 1994 and 2002 midterm elections as well as the 2003 California recall election. Your Maoist Hyenacrat Party is fracturing right now with Ralph Nader at 6% while your splintering party platform only has one damn plank in it: "We hate Bush!" That's why you Commiecrats are fast becoming irrelevant. "We hate Bush!" and "We want our power back!" is all you DonkeyCRAPS can say. IOW, you stupid dick li |
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