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History Forum / General / Medieval Period / July 2008Randy Massachusetts schoolgirls abuse innocent boys.
Lock up your sons. The ongoing trend is to take parenting away from parents and leaving most of it to schools and counselling services. Lawyers must be salivating at the prospect of fat paternity suits. Silly teen girls (aren't they all) are getting preggers because it's the "in" thing. Read on and weep! ***** June 20, 2008 01:54 PM ET | Deborah Kotz | Permanent Link I was shocked and appalled to read the Time magazine piece published online Wednesday about a pregnancy pact at Gloucester High School in Massachusetts that led to 17 pregnancies over this past school year in girls age 16 and younger. This is four times the number of pregnancies that the 1,200-student school had last year, according to Time. Apparently, a number of girls made a pact to get pregnant in order to bring someone into the world who would love them unconditionally. The school also provides immense support for teenage parents, allowing them to bring their babies to a school daycare center. After administering more than 100 pregnancy tests to students this year, the story says, the school nurse in Gloucester was so desperate that she wanted to start handing out contraceptives without parental consent. The debate over how to prevent teen pregnancy is one that's raging throughout the country. Is it better to teach teens about contraception or just encourage them to abstain from sex until they're married? Just yesterday, women's health advocates were celebrating a planned budget increase of $15 million in Title X family planning services, which provide contraception and reproductive health services to low-income women and men. They were also happy to see that funding for abstinence-only education programs was not slated to be increased. (I was, though, dismayed to hear that a planned amendment to the funding bill probably won't be included in the final legislation. It would have allowed drug companies to once again sell deeply discounted birth control pills to college health centers—a practice that had to stop last year under new Medicaid rules.) But I think the solution shouldn't focus solely on sex education. (The girls in Gloucester got sex-ed classes—although the classes ended freshman year of high school, according to Time.) I think educators need to address the larger problem: how to foster self-esteem, long-term goals, and pursuit of dreams in girls from broken families facing economic hardships. Supposedly, the Gloucester community is suffering a severe decline in its fishing industry, which almost certainly has put a strain on families. And desperation often drives some girls to get pregnant—perhaps a way to ensure that some piece of them will survive. I think we all need to realize that handing out condoms isn't the complete answer. I previously reported on what's needed for real pregnancy prevention in an article about abstinence education. ********** > Lock up your sons. The ongoing trend is to take parenting away from > parents and leaving most of it to schools and counselling services. [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > > ********** Which begs the question .... How was this issue handled in medieval times? ... ;) - nilita Nilita Gay was happy to get pregnant out of wedlock too. DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas >> Lock up your sons. The ongoing trend is to take parenting away from >> parents and leaving most of it to schools and counselling services. [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > - nilita >Nilita Gay was happy to get pregnant out of wedlock too. Oh wow! What a discovery. David Sherlock Holmes is outdoing himself. It's about time he woke up and smelled the coffee. More than 60% of pregnancies occur out of wedlock these days. So what - wedlock is an outdated man made invention of control and is designed mainly to assure inheritance. Pure male chauvinism at its worst. And it only works partially at the best of times. Pre-WW2 a famous early researcher into genetics (he went on to win the Nobel prize) went around some of the top private maternity homes in New York state collecting blood from mothers, babies and fathers for his research. Over a thousand cases in his sample. He never published that particular study due to the simple fact that more than 10% of the babies born had not been sired by the legal lawfully wedded husband. A more recent study done in Europe suggests an even higher percentage. So what would you prefer - born out of wedlock or a good chance your daddy ain't your daddy? Anyway only someone stuck in the rut of outdated middle-class thinking would let it matter. Who one's parents are - or if they underwent some farcical ceremony prior to one's conception - has no bearing on who the child is. Eugene L Griessel Pity the poor corpuscle, for he labours in vein. - I usually post only from Sci.Military.Naval - >>Nilita Gay was happy to get pregnant out of wedlock too. > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > are - or if they underwent some farcical ceremony prior to one's > conception - has no bearing on who the child is. Jayzus Murphy, Hines is a maroon. It behooves me to say that his G*d is sending me to Hell! btw, while we acknowledge that Hines has already been outed as a racist WRT Jews and Canadians, he *has* referred to my child as "a black bastard". I would suggest to Hines: Get thee forthwith to thy local priest, get down on your knees, and ask him to intercede on your behalf to G*d that in His infinite mercy He shall forgive you for your multitude of sins - including, but not limited to, sloth, onanism, and false pride. Eugene, you're more astute when it comes to Biblical texts. Feel free to provide the relevant chapter and verses that Hines may study. It has been said that recent cardiac stress tests are not up to par. Who knows? His number may come up sooner rather than later, and I don't think he'd like St. Peter to send him IN THE OTHER DIRECTION, OUT THE LEFT DOOR, TO THE DARK SIDE!*** Not even Virginia will be able to save him. And, in other news, California is permitting gay marriages. - nilita (happy to have her daughter and enjoying life ...) *** Emphasis mine. >Eugene, you're more astute when it comes to Biblical texts. Feel free to It's the simple statement made by Jesus to the crowd wanting to stone the adultress: "He who is without sin, let him cast the first stone". >provide the relevant chapter and verses that Hines may study. It has been >said that recent cardiac stress tests are not up to par. Who knows? His >number may come up sooner rather than later, and I don't think he'd like St. >Peter to send him IN THE OTHER DIRECTION, OUT THE LEFT DOOR, TO THE DARK >SIDE!*** Not even Virginia will be able to save him. I have seldom encountered a more contemptible excuse for a Homo sapiens than Hines. He sits on his high moral ground condemning all who do not conform to his concept of morality unaware that his high ground is a dungheap of his own excretion. Give me the honest sinner anyday over the hypocrite who does his dark deeds in secret and pretends outrage at the failings of his fellow humans. Congress, in its infinite wisdom, may have made him an officer and gentleman at one time but he displays no evidence of the "gentleman" part. Eugene L Griessel I hate people who are intolerant ! - I usually post only from Sci.Military.Naval - Nonsense. That's a lie. Nilita Gay is lying. Pogue Reboul once had a Triumph Herald he referred to as _The Black Bastard_. Hines doesn't use that sort of racist language. DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas >Hines has already been outed as a racist WRT Jews and Canadians, he *has* >referred to my child as "a black bastard". >Nonsense. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >DSH Who is this Hines guy that the puppet master DSH keeps talking about? Anyway, posts signed "DSH" and claiming "D. Spencer Hines" as the sender have reflected precisely this kind of nasty racist mindset. Most recently with reference to the Canadians. James >>Nonsense. >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Most recently with reference to the Canadians. To be specific, this Hines guy posted a few times that Nilita Gay had a bastard child of a BLACK man. Why he found it so important to state emphatically that the father is/was BLACK, I don't know. Any theories? - nilita >>>Nonsense. >>> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > bastard child of a BLACK man. Why he found it so important to state > emphatically that the father is/was BLACK, I don't know. Any theories? For exactly the same reason that he though my religion was important enough to inform a notorious racist who was making enquiries about me. He's an evil and unprincipled piece of work who nurtures grudges as no rational person does...  SignatureWilliam Black I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach Time for tea. >>>>Nonsense. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > He's an evil and unprincipled piece of work who nurtures grudges as no > rational person does... BINGO! - nilita On Jun 23, 5:34 pm, "William Black" <william.bl...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: > >>>Nonsense. > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > -- > William Black I'd go with he's a sad, pathetic POS without a real life who tries to make up for it online. Ignoring him would probably be the worst punishment. >> To be specific, this Hines guy posted a few times that Nilita Gay had a >> bastard child of a BLACK man. Why he found it so important to state >> emphatically that the father is/was BLACK, I don't know. Any theories? Here's my theory: he didn't manage to make the transition from childhood images to adulthood even though he moved to a different environment. That makes him, uh, pretty damn stupid. I am currently reading "Applied Economics" by Thomas Sowell, whoe interestingly enough has so little interaction with white people during his childhood in North Carolina that he did not believe that "yellow" was a possible colour for human hair. Well, he's most definitely "graduated" from there :-) Hines, old chap, you might want to move to North Carolina so that you can help in the education system there, I'm sure your expertise will be highly appreciated, and your soul will become soft and pliable through the beatings you will receive as part of your education. SignatureGernot Hassenpflug >>> To be specific, this Hines guy posted a few times that Nilita Gay had a >>> bastard child of a BLACK man. Why he found it so important to state [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >childhood images to adulthood even though he moved to a different >environment. That makes him, uh, pretty damn stupid. Why go for complex psychological explanations? He is an unprincipled low-rent excuse for a human. There are some dramatically obnoxious posters on usenet but few that awaken such feelings of revulsion as this particular one. It makes one ashamed to be a human. Eugene L Griessel Men who use terrorism as a means to power rule by terror when in power. - I usually post only from Sci.Military.Naval - > Why go for complex psychological explanations? He is an > unprincipled low-rent excuse for a human. There are some > dramatically obnoxious posters on usenet but few that awaken such > feelings of revulsion as this particular one. If you really believe that cheap rhetoric, you don't get out much. > Eugene L Griessel > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Xref: prodigy.net alt.history.british:342594 alt.war.vietnam:713095 sci.military.naval:927897 soc.history.medieval:578686 us.military.army:750515 > X-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 01:56:19 EDT (nlpi102-int.nbdc.sbc.com) >>>Nonsense. >>> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >bastard child of a BLACK man. Why he found it so important to state >emphatically that the father is/was BLACK, I don't know. Any theories? I think you already know my theory about that. Actually, it's so well proven by now that it counts as an axiom. William Black's answer to your question was accurate enough. James >>Nonsense. >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Who is this Hines guy that the puppet master DSH keeps talking about? Who is this mampara that seems to have forgotten that the word "black" refers primarily to a colour, or to be more precise, the abscence of colour. Seems the tweenie has trouble with the concept of one word having multiple meanings. I can only reflect on the scene where Cary Grant find the pig in the officers heads aboard the submarine and remarks "yep, they are recruiting everybody these days". Obviously the esteemed housing officer must have got in on that ticket. Eugene L Griessel Men who use terrorism as a means to power rule by terror when in power. - I usually post only from Sci.Military.Naval - > btw, while we acknowledge that Hines has already been outed as a racist > WRT > Jews and Canadians, he *has* referred to my child as "a black bastard". At just what point did Canadians become a race? As a lifelong Canadian, I'm curious how this happened without my noticing it. -- Rhino <G> DSH >> btw, while we acknowledge that Hines has already been outed as a racist >> WRT Jews and Canadians, he *has* referred to my child as "a black [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > -- > Rhino >> btw, while we acknowledge that Hines has already been outed as a racist >> WRT [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >As a lifelong Canadian, I'm curious how this happened without my noticing >it. Canadians are the descendants of Cacareco, a city counsellor in Sao Paulo Brazil, also known as Cornelius the First. Detailed information is available in the gospel according to St. Jaques. St. Michel's hymnal gives good insight into Canadian customs and rites. Peter Skelton >>> btw, while we acknowledge that Hines has already been outed as a racist >>> WRT [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >St. Michel's hymnal gives good insight into Canadian customs and >rites. Not a lot of people know that. James >> btw, while we acknowledge that Hines has already been outed as a racist >> WRT [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > -- Heheh. My tongue was planted firmly in cheek when I posted that. However, you must have missed a thread of a couple of days ago when the blubbering bumbling nabob of negativity, Hines, stated ... Never mind, I'll just cut-and-paste the follow-up remarks of the esteemed James Hogg: *********************************************** While it is possible to debate the degree of Hines's anti-Semitism, there is no doubt that he is anti-Canadian, as is evident from the following chauvinistic, racist, and totally idiotic quotation: "So there is no doubt the American National Character has been more tested, hardened, cured and has therefore developed far better leadership skills, piercing intelligence and tough grit than the weak, flaccid, irresolute, "What Me Care?", "Who Are We?" Canadian National Character." So he's definitely in the same camp as scum like Boedicia, sharing similar dangerous delusions about collective ethnic characters. Some people might think it's harmless to be anti-Canadian but wrong to be anti-Semitic, and there are of course obvious historical reasons for that stance, but this is 2008, and I think we should stop to think why we make a distinction between the two forms of ethnic hatred, both of which issue from the same lunatic notion of belonging to some superior breed. James ******************************************* For further clarification, see Peter Skelton's remarks regarding the canuckistanian ascendancy from the seed of Cacareco, a city counsellor in Sao Paulo Brazil, also known as Cornelius the First. - nilita > >Nilita Gay was happy to get pregnant out of wedlock too. > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > are - or if they underwent some farcical ceremony prior to one's > conception - has no bearing on who the child is. While I have no problem with someone doing as they wish I do object when asked to pay for the results of their fun. Signature"Oh Norman, listen! The loons are calling!" - Katherine Hepburn, "On Golden Pond" Bingo! For DECADES... DSH >> >Nilita Gay was happy to get pregnant out of wedlock too. > While I have no problem with someone doing as they wish I do object when > asked to pay for the results of their fun. >> >Nilita Gay was happy to get pregnant out of wedlock too. >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > While I have no problem with someone doing as they wish I do object when > asked to pay for the results of their fun. You are assuming that everyone who has a child "out of wedlock" needs to depend on you or people like you to support them. But, I'll tell you what there are a lot of married people who end up being on Welfare or social assistance or social security or whatever. - nilita, who despite supporting herself is going STRAIGHT TO HELL, according to these right wing fundies .... > >> >Nilita Gay was happy to get pregnant out of wedlock too. > >> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > there are a lot of married people who end up being on Welfare or social > assistance or social security or whatever. Where did I say that ? I only mentioned I object to being asked to foot the bill for their foolishness. All too many who do have children have to depend on society to pay the bill for those children. > - nilita, who despite supporting herself is going STRAIGHT TO HELL, > according to these right wing fundies .... Stop projecting your silliness. I applaud someone who manages to pay their own way and raise a child when the father is no longer around. It shows that they have the character to accept their responsibilities. Signature"Oh Norman, listen! The loons are calling!" - Katherine Hepburn, "On Golden Pond" >> >> >Nilita Gay was happy to get pregnant out of wedlock too. >> >> [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > when the father is no longer around. > It shows that they have the character to accept their responsibilities. Sorry that I caught you in the dragnet, Tanky. I was still focussing on Hines' rhetoric when he turned this and related threads around to be about me ..." out of wedlock," "bastard child", etc.. I believe Eugene was alluding to the same "moral superiority" issue as spewed by Hinesian type creatures. Your concerns are more socioeconomic; Hines believes such people are morally in the wrong. Having said that, Eugene is right. There will always be people having children "out of wedlock"; and in civilized societies, such as Canada and the U.S., there will be social safety nets to ensure that at least the basic needs of the mother/father and child are taken care of. I don't quite know an alternative to that. One can preach abstinence all one wants, but that doesn't work. Forced sterilization? Nah, won't happen in our societies. I suppose the best case scenario is to have a good family and friendship support system. With all due respect, and I hope it doesn't come to pass, it could happen to one of your children. It wouldn't be from lack of education or love or whatever. Stuff happens in even the "best" of families. Condemning the individuals involved, and making the children pay one way or another for the stigma associated with their parent, is not helpful. Even if one can truly understand you the concerns and POV of people who resent "paying". - nilita > >> >> >Nilita Gay was happy to get pregnant out of wedlock too. > >> >> [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > creatures. Your concerns are more socioeconomic; Hines believes such people > are morally in the wrong. You just need to tune that fool out. His meds are never adjusted correctly anyway. > Having said that, Eugene is right. There will always be people having > children "out of wedlock"; and in civilized societies, such as Canada and > the U.S., there will be social safety nets to ensure that at least the basic > needs of the mother/father and child are taken care of. I don't quite know > an alternative to that. One can preach abstinence all one wants, but that > doesn't work. Forced sterilization? Nah, won't happen in our societies. I agree that out of wedlock childbirth has always occurred. What is curious is the dramatic increase from 1960 on. One thing I am hearing Sen Obama say that I whole heartedly agree with is the need for fathers to step up to the plate. > I suppose the best case scenario is to have a good family and friendship > support system. With all due respect, and I hope it doesn't come to pass, it [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > one can truly understand you the concerns and POV of people who resent > "paying". Trust me any male who fathers a child by one of my daughters and shirks his responsibilities will regret it. Signature"Oh Norman, listen! The loons are calling!" - Katherine Hepburn, "On Golden Pond" > In article <PQj7k.671$2G6.249@edtnps83>, nilita2004NOSPAM@yahoo.com > > > One thing I am hearing Sen Obama say that I whole heartedly agree with > is the need for fathers to step up to the plate. I do too. I know it's not really politically correct to say this in all circles, but I also agree with Bill Cosby that black men especially need to be good role models to their children so that they - especially the sons - don't feel compelled to drop out of school and join gangs. Education is very very important. When the local head gangsta / drug scion is *the* role model in the 'hood, that is a sad indictment of a particular society. Up here in Canada, there is a tendency for government services to go after the father for support. And btw, in many - if not most - provinces, the father risks losing his driver's license if he is far into arrears. - nilita > In article <ZEi7k.645$2G6.274@edtnps83>, > nilita2004NOSPAM@yahoo.com [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] > depend on society to pay the > bill for those children. There may be a trend here for single mothers to shack up with together in units of three in a single house. The average large house has 3 bedrooms, therefore one per single mother and her sins. The cost to the taxpayer of supporting the burgeoning legions of single mothers is becoming unsustainable, and so local councils have a lenient attitude to these self-run "boarding houses". For single mothers this is very cheap accommodation, and as in days of old, the mothers can share the sin-raising load. "It takes a whole house/village to bring up a child!" >nilita, who despite supporting herself is going STRAIGHT TO HELL, >according to these right wing fundies .... Mark Twain said that it was Heaven for the climate, and Hell for the society. Casady >>nilita, who despite supporting herself is going STRAIGHT TO HELL, >>according to these right wing fundies .... > >Mark Twain said that it was Heaven for the climate, and Hell for the >society. It is strange that nobody has actually managed to make Christian heaven sound like a place it would be fun to be in. Starting with John and Revelations Heaven has always seemed to be a sterile and stultifyingly boring sort of an joint to spend eternity in. Eugene L Griessel Beady's 6th Law of Social Harmonics: You cannot reason a man out of a position he did not reach through reason. - I usually post only from Sci.Military.Naval - > >>nilita, who despite supporting herself is going STRAIGHT TO HELL, > >>according to these right wing fundies .... [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > - I usually post only from Sci.Military.Naval - All right, then, I'll go to hell. Mark Twain >> >>nilita, who despite supporting herself is going STRAIGHT TO HELL, >> >>according to these right wing fundies .... [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >All right, then, I'll go to hell. >Mark Twain All the most interesting people will be there. Eugene L Griessel A fake fortuneteller can be tolerated. But an authentic one should be shot on sight. Cassandra did not get half the kicking around she deserved. - I usually post only from Sci.Military.Naval - >>> >>nilita, who despite supporting herself is going STRAIGHT TO HELL, >>> >>according to these right wing fundies .... [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > All the most interesting people will be there. On topic for smn: "Sailors ought never to go to church. They ought to go to hell, where it is much more comfortable." HG Wells. >> >>nilita, who despite supporting herself is going STRAIGHT TO HELL, >> >>according to these right wing fundies .... [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > All right, then, I'll go to hell. > Mark Twain "The secret source of humour itself is not joy, but sorrow. There is no humour in heaven." -- Mark Twain eugene dynagen..co..za (Eugene Griessel) wrote: > It is strange that nobody has actually managed to make Christian > heaven sound like a place it would be fun to be in. Poor baby. Have you had any very pleasant existence here, Eugene? > Starting with John and Revelations Heaven has always seemed to be > a sterile and stultifyingly boring sort of an joint to spend > eternity in. Starting with John? So what is your vision of heaven, Eugene? > Eugene L Griessel > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Xref: prodigy.net alt.history.british:342407 alt.war.vietnam:712931 sci.military.naval:927436 soc.history.medieval:578541 us.military.army:750258 > X-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 12:00:09 EDT (nlpi102-int.nbdc.sbc.com) >> In article >> <485c9468.374753@news.uunet.co.za>, [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > going STRAIGHT TO HELL, according to these > right wing fundies .... Ah, in the Good Old Days there were dumpsters outside convent gates for randy wayward girls to dump their sins into. Sort of a female-child oblate system. Indeed long ago in town here there was a large building attached to a Wesley church all a-buzz with nubile pregnant teens, sent there to have their sins born, out of sight and with maximum discretion. We all lived in the top-story garret next door and were forced to listen to the screeching girls as they fought one another, and the unending clatter of pots and pans from the kitchens. Mercilessly we were kept awake on Sunday morning by a Salvation Army band blowing & singing in the street below. It was a time when girls had more fun. >Ah, in the Good Old Days there were dumpsters >outside convent gates for randy wayward girls [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >It was a time when girls had more fun. Were you born an idiot or did you have to work hard to become one? Eugene L Griessel Censorship is more depraving and corrupting than anything pornography can produce. -- Tony Smythe. Chair National Council for Civil liberties - I usually post only from Sci.Military.Naval - >>Ah, in the Good Old Days there were >>dumpsters [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> >>It was a time when girls had more fun. Are all navy people constantly drunk or are you a trailblazer? I usually post only from Sci.Military.Naval - Except when kicking poor PJ. Do be a good boy and go down with the next ship; even a rowboat will do. >>>Ah, in the Good Old Days there were >>>dumpsters [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >boy and go down with the next ship; even a >rowboat will do. Ah diddums - you are wounded! Well seeing as you are the product of many hundreds of thousands of years of "sin" I should go easy on you! Course, in your estimation, none of the "sinners" is male, are they? Eugene L Griessel Censorship is more depraving and corrupting than anything pornography can produce. -- Tony Smythe. Chair National Council for Civil liberties - I usually post only from Sci.Military.Naval - >>>>Ah, in the Good Old Days there were >>>>dumpsters [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > Course, in your estimation, none of the > "sinners" is male, are they? Well I won't delve and probe over who is male or female on navy ships (as opposed to the merchant marine), but I have read extensively of Jane Austin, and I now know where they send the family idiot, or those born on the wrong side of the blanket. (I wait for you you to get up & dust yourself off...) > - I usually post only from > Sci.Military.Naval - >>>>>Ah, in the Good Old Days there were >>>>>dumpsters [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] >wrong side of the blanket. (I wait for you >you to get up & dust yourself off...) Keep going - you are merely consolidating the proof of you idiocy as the above statement amply confirms. BTW its Jane Austen - unless you spell as poorly as you reason. Not quite a product of that seething cauldron of concupiscence and hypocrisy we know as the Victorian age but the times of George VI were hardly known for morality amongst the upper crust who made the rules, disobeyed them and frowned on the lower classes who were doing likewise. Of course maintaining all the while the facade of moral purity. Eugene L Griessel History could be divided into events which do not matter and events which probably never occurred. - W.R. Inge - I usually post only from Sci.Military.Naval - >>>>"Eugene Griessel" >>>><eugene@dynagen..co..za> [quoted text clipped - 83 lines] > course maintaining all the > while the facade of moral purity. Well well. Methinks ye doth protest too much. We have a colourful history, do we? Moron, the Victorian age constrained sexual liberty because of veneral diseases and the poverty generated by single mothers in fast-changing times. Africa needs just this constraint at the moment: and colonialism, that ended 200years too soon. Try thinking outside of the box. > Eugene L Griessel > > History could be divided into events > which do not matter and events > which probably never occurred. i.e. "History is Bunk" > - I usually post only from > Sci.Military.Naval - and why aren't thee > trolling thither? > >>>>"Eugene Griessel" > >>>><eugene@dynagen..co..za> [quoted text clipped - 106 lines] > > Sci.Military.Naval - and why aren't thee > > trolling thither? Your "History" is "bunk", mine is a series of carefully documented, logically interpreted, well-written series of "true facts". >> >>>>"Eugene Griessel" >> >>>><eugene@dynagen..co..za> [quoted text clipped - 109 lines] >Your "History" is "bunk", mine is a series of carefully documented, >logically interpreted, well-written series of "true facts". Jason would not know a fact if it got up and bit him in the backside. Not worth the effort to reply to a bigotted fool like him. Eugene L Griessel Superior firepower is an invaluable tool when entering into negotiations. - I usually post only from Sci.Military.Naval - > >> >>>>"Eugene Griessel" > >> >>>><eugene@dynagen..co..za> [quoted text clipped - 118 lines] > > - I usually post only from Sci.Military.Naval - His history is still bunk then? >> >> >>>>"Eugene Griessel" >> >> >>>><eugene@dynagen..co..za> [quoted text clipped - 120 lines] > >His history is still bunk then? He is bunk. Eugene L Griessel Superior firepower is an invaluable tool when entering into negotiations. - I usually post only from Sci.Military.Naval - > In article <485c9468.374...@news.uunet.co.za>, eugene@dynagen..co..za > says... [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > "Oh Norman, listen! The loons are calling!" > - Katherine Hepburn, "On Golden Pond" All digressions aside... What is it about Massachusetts and child sex? It seems to be a decades (if not longer) old problem. I remember an incident in the 80's where teens/sub-teens were running their own prostitution ring. It happened again in the last decade. Where are the parents? I know you can't control your child's sexual behavior completely, but how do you not know about them being involved in / running their own brothels? We pretty much knew when our daughters became sexually active, talked to them and put them on the pill. It wasn't difficult. What is it about Bean-town? BB I guess everybody has some mountain to climb in their life. It's just fate whether you live in Kansas or Tibet. >All digressions aside... What is it about Massachusetts and child >sex? It seems to be a decades (if not longer) old problem. I [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >to them and put them on the pill. It wasn't difficult. What is it >about Bean-town? Is it perhaps the result of too rigid a morality - a denial of sexuality? I can remember a family planning advert, many years ago, which said something like "NO is not the best form of contraception". Wherever legislation goes head to head with nature one is bound to have problems. The equipment and the desire arrives but the law says "NO". I was looking at some statistics for childhood sexuality - both here and in the US - and there is a significant number of 12 year olds who are sexually active. Rising to more than 50% by 16. A large study done here some years ago as an aid to HIV control and involving 50000 persons in the study group showed that the average sexually active 16 year old had had an average of 4 partners. Yet legislation prohibits any sexual behaviour under the age of 16. For some US statistics these sites have good info: http://www.cdc.gov/mmwR/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5302a1.htm http://www.guttmacher.org/sections/adolescents.php Eugene L Griessel Everybody repeat after me: We are all individuals. - I usually post only from Sci.Military.Naval - > > In article <485c9468.374...@news.uunet.co.za>, eugene@dynagen..co..za > > says... [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > I guess everybody has some mountain to climb in their life. > It's just fate whether you live in Kansas or Tibet. You might ask all those priests and church officials who have been found to perform their own version of abstinence, at least no 11 year old boys got pregnant. >> >Nilita Gay was happy to get pregnant out of wedlock too. >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >While I have no problem with someone doing as they wish I do object when >asked to pay for the results of their fun. It is a crime that requires an accomplice. Funny enough in most societies over time the accomplice is never burdened anywhere near as harshly. The old double standard. Eugene L Griessel Beady's 6th Law of Social Harmonics: You cannot reason a man out of a position he did not reach through reason. - I usually post only from Sci.Military.Naval - > >Nilita Gay was happy to get pregnant out of wedlock too. > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Eugene L Griessel You left out that marriage has served as protection for women and children. "La N" <nilita2004NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message > Which begs the question .... How was this issue handled in medieval times? I don't think I want to know that. But teenage girls have been getting pregnant at more or less the same rate (shock horror) for at least 120 thousand years. It's our attitudes and societal systems that change - not the rate of conception. What makes anyone think they are going to stop now? Gentle Readers will note with amusement that Poguette Nilita Gay has gone as quiet as a whore at a Revival Meeting in this thread -- after I called her out as a LIAR. See Below. DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas Vires et Honor "D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message news:... > Nonsense. > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >>Hines has already been outed as a racist WRT Jews and Canadians, he *has* >>referred to my child as "a black bastard". Poguette Nilita is the one who told us it was her black lover at the time, one of many short-term lovers, who was the father of her now quite grown-up daughter [in her twenties] -- NOT Hines. The poor pogue, who at least had the Good Sense to split from Poguette Nilita is reportedly serving a LONG sentence in some South American prison, possibly in Colombia, for drug running and an assortment of other charges. Poguette Nilita sure can pick 'em! DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas Vires et Honor Even Nilita Gay herself admits she has a rotten capacity for judging men. I'd second that judgment... The father of her daughter, the bloke who dumped her, took what he wanted from her then split. He tried to apologize much later but she refused to accept his apology. Further, he has mental health issues is also a militant Muslim and is in prison, so she says. Yep, Poguette Nilita sure knows how to pick her men. At least he had the Good Sense NOT to marry her. But she's still trolling for men on USENET, hoping to find a naive one she can seduce.... Colin Campbell didn't work out... DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas Vires et Honor Even Nilita Gay herself admits she has a rotten capacity for judging men. I'd second that judgment... The father of her daughter, the bloke who dumped her, took what he wanted from her then split. He tried to apologize much later but she refused to accept his apology. Further, he has mental health issues is also a militant Muslim and is in prison, so she says. Yep, Poguette Nilita sure knows how to pick her men. At least he had the Good Sense NOT to marry her. But she's still trolling for men on USENET, hoping to find a naive one she can seduce.... Colin Campbell didn't work out...neither did the guy in Florida. So, she's still trolling... DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas Vires et Honor Deus Vult Poguette Nilita HERSELF tells us what a rotten judge of men she is -- and how badly she has screwed up in her relationships with men. Here it is... Straight From The Heifer's Mouth... Vide infra pro risibus. She's looking to hook another naive male sucker... In both the literal and figurative senses. On USENET no less! Victoria, it just doesn't get any funnier than this... Enjoy! DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas Deus Vult --------------------------------------------- "I have a rotten capacity for judging men ... ;) The common thread has been: I've been the giver, they the taker." "Nevertheless, he has paid his dues (I think he's in prison right now), he has lost everything, and he said he was sorry. He was dealing with some mental health issues at the time (another warning sign that I shouldn't have gotten involved). I've had interactions with men before and since who weren't sorry about anything .... except sorry for themselves that they got caught cheating or lying." "Anyway, I'm too old for that nonsense anymore, especially since I am *not* a good judge of men except in friendships where I cherish honesty, integrity, and trust." Poguette Nilita Gay -- January 2006 ------------------------------------------ Deeeeeeeelightful!!! DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas Vires et Honor The Story of "La Nilita's" Life... Repeated... Over & Over. Straight from the heifer's mouth... And, as we see below, she's still hoping someone will pick her up out of the gutter and whisk her off to the South. DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas -------------------------------------------------------- > I have a rotten capacity for judging men ... ;) The common thread has > been: I've been the giver, they the taker. > Nevertheless, he has paid his dues (I think he's in prison right now), > he has lost everything, and he said he was sorry. He was dealing with > some mental health issues at the time (another warning sign that I > shouldn't have gotten involved). I've had interactions with men > before and since who weren't sorry about anything .... except > sorry for themselves that they got caught cheating or lying. > Anyway, I'm too old for that nonsense anymore, especially since I am > *not* a good judge of men except in friendships where I cherish honesty, > integrity, and trust. >> Whacked out people always seem more interesting than the average person >> and that's a problem. You seem to have gotten yourself a real sociopath. >> DON'T feel sorry for him. I'm beginning to think he apologized to get >> taken back in for another go-round. -the Troll > Yep. Don't want to sound hard, but the 'Sorries' should have come within > the marriage. Surviving these episodes is what shows the strength of the > relationship, not running away. That's my humble opinion after nearly 40 > years of it. My wife is probably on the way out of the door now! :-)) My very own Ann Landers team ... cool ... :) I don't feel sorry for him. I just thought it was kind of cool that he actually *apologized*. The act of apologizing for hurting someone else (especially a woman) doesn't usually occur to a lot of men who are cursed with the "selfish gene". Sorry, guyz, of course, I wasn't talkin' about y'all ...%) - nilita |
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