Stranded Far From Home
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Stan Boleslawski - 02 Jul 2009 17:53 GMT "The alarm systems on board Eagle started complaining as it began its descent: engineers and mission controllers and the astronauts themselves had to make a terrible calculation. Was it just the warning technology playing up, or was there something really wrong? Should they abort? And could they successfully abort? Collins, the man who stayed behind aboard Apollo, whirling round and round the moon, had a checklist of 18 different rescue scenarios clipped to his pressure suit, in case things went wrong. Some of these had to be executed immediately, and flawlessly, to avert tragedy.
"Collins, too, while waiting for the touchdown, the moon walk, the show for an estimated billion television viewers, and the take-off, had more time than the others to think about things that might go wrong. If the ascent engine wouldn't fire, then Armstrong and Aldrin would be marooned with just a day's supply of oxygen. "How would Nasa handle that? Would Nasa pull the plug or keep broadcasting their final words to the world? What would I say or do?" he wrote years later..."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2009/jul/02/apollo-11-man-on-moon
POD: The ascent engine in the Eagle misfires and Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin are indeed stranded with only a day's supply of oxygen. Considering the massive room for human and mechanical failure involved in Apollo 11, and the risk of a considerable amount of new technology failing, this is quite plausible, especially if Collins is distracted or somehow compromised in his ability to handle any potential disaster. Does NASA pull the plug and leave Armstrong and Aldrin to die? If not, what could be done to save them?
Plenty of knock-ons here ; a failed moon landing is going to impact the American psyche and politics, and the USSR will assuredly use the tragedy of Apollo 11 as propaganda. Brezhnev will ramp up the space budget to get cosmonauts on the moon ASAP. What do the Nixon Administration and Congress do? William Proxmire, a longtime foe of NASA, will use the deaths of the astronauts and the failure of the mission to argue for ending the Apollo program and reducing the NASA budget permanently - would his arguments prevail in Congress? Or would Nixon use the tragedy as a means to boost NASA's budget in order to try to land Americans on the moon again and get there before the Soviets do? Also, the moon landing had considerable effects on the popularity of environmentalism - is this going to change in TTL? Is science fiction going to be less popular in TTL's early 1970s?
Thoughts?
Best, Stan B.
Marcus L. Rowland - 02 Jul 2009 22:41 GMT In message <8e4eb926-3053-43f3-85b8-84330d99ac8e@z4g2000prh.googlegroups.com>, Stan Boleslawski <boleslawski@forpresident.com> writes
>Does NASA pull the plug and leave Armstrong and Aldrin to die? If not, >what could be done to save them? Nothing - if they can't fix it themselves they're dead. It takes several days to get to the moon, and there isn't another ship ready to launch.
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Jack Linthicum - 02 Jul 2009 23:30 GMT On Jul 2, 5:41 pm, "Marcus L. Rowland" <forgottenfutu...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> In message > <8e4eb926-3053-43f3-85b8-84330d99a...@z4g2000prh.googlegroups.com>, Stan [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Diana: Warrior Princess & Elvis: The Legendary Tours > The Original Flatland Role Playing Game There was a project that would have used Gemini capsules as rescue craft, but as Marcus says it takes too long. One of the two might have "stepped out the door" to double the other's capability of surviving if a rescue craft could have been sent. This is one reason I reminded the people covering this in the 60s that the short story "Pilgrim Project" that the movie "Countdown" (1968) was based on had a living quarters/living quarters module land before the mission.
http://www.astronautix.com/craft/gemcraft.htm
neopeius - 03 Jul 2009 00:15 GMT I think you get a crash program to find out what went wrong without much delay of Apollo 12. The LM was a very reliable piece of equipment, something they knew at the time. They're going to expect it was a one-off catastrophe, certainly not worth shelving billions of dollars of hardware or restarting the space program to make new hardware.
The program was coasting at that point, and they'd already had a near fatal delay with Apollo 1. It's not as if the Apollo 13 disaster significantly delayed Apollo 14 (even though it had a happy ending).
The Soviets may be a little encouraged by the Apollo 11 debacle, but it's not enough for them to switch back on *their* space program either, though the Americans don't know that.
Now, if Apollo 12 ends in disaster, all bets are off.
Marcus L. Rowland - 03 Jul 2009 22:26 GMT In message <b4983662-d5bf-48ab-b5c0-b3d5534f849e@g7g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, neopeius <mwillmartin@gmail.com> writes
>I think you get a crash program to find out what went wrong without >much delay of Apollo 12. The LM was a very reliable piece of [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Now, if Apollo 12 ends in disaster, all bets are off. If Apollo 12 ends in disaster I suspect that they start looking for a saboteur.
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Raymond Speer - 04 Jul 2009 14:35 GMT Sunday, July 20, 1969 . . . 4:17:43 PM EDT
"I'm itchy and scratchy all over, kind of like after I took a hike through poison ivy, Houston."
"Roger, Neil. You just landed, Is this significant enough to start planning alternatives?"
"I'm not dreaming this up. I'm getting a lot of symptoms up here --- something has to be tainting the air supply.
"Buzz, Buzz, snap out of it. He's like in a trance. My god, he is growing a beard ---- I can see the hair push from his chin, growing so fast I see it move ---- Jesus, oh, Jesus, it is coming out of his forehead!"
Sunday, July 20, 1969 . . . 5:45:26 PM EDT
"What happened to the lunar module?"
"We are not sure what happened. It touched down and then we were not able to raise the crew. Perhaps the module came apart on landing or maybe it landed on a surface of sand and sank down several feet."
"We are not sure that Armstrong and Aldrin are dead?"
"Yes. We don't know either way."
Sunday, July 20, 1969 . . . 6:10: 05 PM EDT
"Turn off that noise. Sounds lke wild animals fighting at a zoo. Ths a a goddamn catastrophe It will come out. It will come out, f.ck it."
"Why didn't the President get briefed by you that this could happen?"
"Dr. Sagan has a theory."
"Goddamn it, do I have to guess at the answer?"
"It is lycanthropy, the transformation of a man into a wolflike being. The evidence makes it clear that the condition affects only very few people, but maybe that is because the moon is a quarter million miles away from us.
"Astronauts Armstrong and Aldrin are only three meters above the surface of the moon and the influence of the moon is correspondingly greater on them now that they are on it. Though they are not abnormally susceptable to moon glow, their current over-exposure to that factor have brought about a physical transformation.
"Simply, the astronauts changed into werewolves and tore the lunar module up in a fight."
Marcus L. Rowland - 04 Jul 2009 20:50 GMT >"Dr. Sagan has a theory." > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >"Simply, the astronauts changed into werewolves and tore the lunar >module up in a fight." DAMN - a few years ago I wrote a "Victorian engineering gets to the moon" bit for my RPG with various ideas for conditions on the moon, including an invasion by sentient cheese bacteria, and missed that one completely... The really annoying part is that there are werewolves elsewhere in the same release of the game!
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