Re: French President Sarkozy Says Burqas Are 'Not Welcome' In France

I might add WHAT EYE CONTACT?????
You can't make eye contact through burka netting>

http://rosemarymaccabe.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/burkha.jpg
As based on this picture you couldn't make ANY contact through the burkha.
That's the point

mk5000

Heck no, he won't go, said lawyer to client
Seven years later, the effort to protect his financial stake and get a
guardian appointed for his client has consumed the case.
Mike Scarcella

May 18, 2009

There are lawyers and clients who disagree. And then there are Nathan Lewin
and Elena Sturdza, who have been battling over her competency to fire him
for nearly seven years.

Sturdza, an architect, says that Lewin sabotaged her case, she fired him,
and now she's proceeding pro se. But Lewin of Washington's Lewin & Lewin
isn't ready to walk away from a lawsuit that he believes could produce a
substantial award - if his client will listen to him.

Lewin wants a guardian ad litem named for Sturdza, who he says can't make
rational decisions about the case. Sturdza is suing a rival architect she
accuses of copying her design for the United Arab Emirates embassy in
Washington.

She is seeking millions of dollars in damages and reportedly rejected a
$500,000 settlement years ago. Lewin is working for a 33% contingent fee.

"Of course, I've got a financial interest," Lewin said after a May 13
hearing in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia. "She's
going to lose this case if she goes alone, and all my work goes out the
window. That's not fair."

It makes you wonder why they don't wear them in South Asia...

There the Brittney Spears image is considered equally offensive.

But very few Muslim women wear the full 'bat' outfit.

I haven't read through all this thread, but I always make time to read your
posts, Colonel.

I was once talking with a Muslim woman about the wearing of the burkha
(actually, I think her attire was referred to as something else).  She was
quite defensive - and rightly so - saying something to the effect that
believe it or not "many of us (Muslim) women are given the choice, and many
of us do not see the allure in dressing in the way of American icons such as
Brittney Spears" (with low-riding jeans, breasts protruding from the tops of
their blouses).  She certainly has a point, and it is really something [for
a man] to be able to relate to [a woman] on an intellectual level using eye
contact rather than staring at her breasts or hips.

- nilita

Just to mention some real world stuff, my wife and I know an Egyptian family
well enough that my wife stays with them, in Cairo, when I am not there.
They are both from highly-placed families and she is a graduate of the
American University, in Cairo, and he is an archeologist, who does tours.
They both speak English; she could be mistaken for an American.  Years ago
she wore jeans and tops like any college student, but somewhere along the
way thought that she should be more in line with Islam and now dresses with
the full robe and headress, which, Egyptian style, does not cover the face.

They want to return to the US, he has visited before, and they have
relatives here.  But now she is worried about the dress, and the propaganda
news that they get.  We know Egyptian families here, and it seems no
problem, and my wife even met a stranger, in a store, and recognizing the
dress asked her, and she said no problem.

This summer, he is coming to visit us, alone, which is not a problem, but
I'm thinking that he is checking the place out, for his wife, and now they
have three children, who, naturally, wear only Mickey Mouse Club clothes.

It will be no problem, but all this talk of "banning burkhas" does no help
in world understanding.  Underneath the clothing they are human beings, and
if treated like human beings will probably be more welcoming.

Well, that's my two cents, and sorry I took up your time.

What color of burkha do you wear, ohaha?

you can dress as you damn well please in the U.S. and it is good that is
so.

Sarkozy Is Right Too...

Burqas Should Not Be Welcome In The United States Either.
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DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
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Sarkozy says burqas are 'not welcome' in France

Jun 22 10:24 AM US/Eastern

PARIS (AP) - President Nicolas Sarkozy lashed out Monday at the practice
of wearing the Muslim burqa, insisting the full-body religious gown is a
sign of the "debasement" of women and that it won't be welcome in France.

Excellent! -- DSH

The French leader expressed support for a recent call by dozens of
legislators to create a parliamentary commission to study a small but
growing trend of wearing the full-body garment in France.

In the first presidential address in 136 years to a joint session of
France's two houses of parliament, Sarkozy laid out his support for a ban
even before the panel has been approved — braving critics who fear the
issue is a marginal one and could stigmatize Muslims in France.

"In our country, we cannot accept that women be prisoners behind a screen,
cut off from all social life, deprived of all identity," Sarkozy said to
extended applause in a speech at the Chateau of Versailles southwest of
Paris.

True. -- DSH

"The burqa is not a religious sign, it's a sign of  subservience, a sign
of debasement — I want to say it solemnly," he said.  "It will not be
welcome on the territory of the French Republic."

Excellent!  It is directly counter to the Great Principles of the French
Culture, Liberty, Equality, Fraternity -- as well as those of the American
Culture. -- DSH

In France, the terms "burqa" and "niqab" often are used interchangeably.
The former refers to a full-body covering worn largely in Afghanistan with
only a mesh screen over the eyes, whereas the latter is a full-body veil,
often in black, with slits for the eyes.

Later Monday, Sarkozy was expected to host a state dinner with Sheik Hamad
Bin Jassem Al Thani of Qatar. Many women in the Persian Gulf state wear
Islamic head coverings in public — whether while shopping or driving cars.

So, let them wear it in Qatar but NOT in France OR the United States,
outside the home. -- DSH

France enacted a law in 2004 banning the Islamic headscarf and other
conspicuous religious symbols from public schools, sparking fierce debate
at home and abroad.  France has Western Europe's largest Muslim
population, an estimated 5 million people.

A government spokesman said Friday that it would seek to set up a
parliamentary commission that could propose legislation aimed at barring
Muslim women from wearing the head-to-toe gowns outside the home.

Excellent! -- DSH

The issue is highly divisive even within the government.  France's junior
minister for human rights, Rama Yade, said she was open to a ban if it is
aimed at protecting women forced to wear the burqa.

But Immigration Minister Eric Besson said a ban would only "create
tensions."

A leading French Muslim group warned against studying the burqa.
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Absurd! -- DSH

Burqas and Niqabs also serve as convenient disguises for Islamofascist
Jihadist Terrorists and Homicide Bombers -- so that's another good reason
for prohibiting them.