Re: The words 'separation of church and state' not in the Constitution

Separation of church and states was embodied in the unamended constitution,
directly with the right to affirm rather than swear and the religious test
ban. Indirectly the entire document as a whole.

The religious clauses of the BORS did not  create church state separation,
it only reinforced what was already there.

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The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm

American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm

The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html

[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]

HRSepCnS · Historical Reality SepChurch&State
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. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning.  Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic."  New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
. . .
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James Veverka wrote:
One of the ways to counter the attack on American Constitutional principles
by the religious right is to address their revisionism, misinformation and
distortions.

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USAF LT. COL (Ret) Buffman (Glen P. Goffin) wrote

"You pilot always into an unknown future;
facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"

That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.

It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
almost every media turn.

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It is definitely implied.  For example, the First Amendment guarantees
the right to peaceably assemble, also known as the right to "freedom
of association."  Freedom OF association implies freedom FROM
association.

An American has the right to join any group he wishes, whether it be
the Catholic church, the Ku Klux Klan, the Shriners, or the Blueberry
Muffin Club.  The right to join these organizations implies the right
to NOT join them.  No American can be forced to support a private
organization he does not agree with.

The First Amendment also prohibits the government from passing any
laws in regards to religion, also known as "freedom of religion."
Freedom OF religion implies freedom FROM religion.  If the government
may not interfere with religion, then religion may not interfere with
government.  This is known as "separation of church and state."

The words 'separation of church and state' not in the Constitution

http://www.citizen-times.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090701/OPINION02/90630070

John E. Stewart III, Asheville • July 1, 2009 01:03 PM

I tire of people so eager to advance their argument that they twist words
and tell outright lies. For example, Rob Thomas of Matchbox 20, blogging at
Huffington Post, pressed his argument for gay marriage recently by saying
our Founding Fathers “...put into their brand new constitution (sic) a
separation of church and state so that the ideals of a group of people
could never be forced onto the whole.”

Hogwash. The words “separation of church in state” do not appear in the
U.S. Constitution. They won't be found in the Bill of Rights, either.

Thomas Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptist Association was the first
place a private citizen, a Founding Father, suggested this opinion. It
became the basis for several groups' lawsuits that ultimately reached the
Supreme Court, and there is where the origin of the misinformation began.

If those with an agenda don't have the facts on their side maybe they have
the wrong side.

Our government cannot encroach on our religious rights or force anyone to
accept a religion of its choosing. Believe what you wish, live as you wish
and don't interfere with others doing the same. It is a concept the left
just can't quite grasp.

John E. Stewart III, Asheville

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You are invited to check out the following:

The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm

American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm

The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html

[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]

HRSepCnS · Historical Reality SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/

***************************************************************
. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning.  Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic."  New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
. . .
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James Veverka wrote:
One of the ways to counter the attack on American Constitutional principles
by the religious right is to address their revisionism, misinformation and
distortions.

****************************************************************
USAF LT. COL (Ret) Buffman (Glen P. Goffin) wrote

"You pilot always into an unknown future;
facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"

That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.

It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
almost every media turn.

*****************************************************************
      THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
   SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
   
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html

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